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Experts chime in. I do think it is an oldie
I think it's a #1. I've seen pictures and it has stop on the finger wheel. I'm no expert but I think thats what it is.
It's a number 1. I've always thought those were cool dials, the porcelain number ring rotates with the finger wheel. You can see that in one of the photos where the 2 digit is sideways by the fingerstop. I'm betting it'll sell for a hefty amount. Really a cool dial though. ...Maybe I'll come up with one someday.
Bingster......this is perfect for Name That Price!!!!
they don't get anymore rare than this!!!....Doug
My guess is $3500
#1 with the impulse cam post broken off
Robby
With a dial this rare, only the Dial King of AZ would be worthy to repair! ...Doug
That's a great dial card, is anyone making reproductions? Some people now would need instructions on how to dial a rotary phone.
Looks like Mr. Helpful spotted it and chimed in!
Darn, and I was going to call the seller's phone number and offer him a quick $300 for that one! :-)
Someone among us is going to have to track down Mr. Helpful and helpfully offer to keep his liquor cabinet well-stocked at times like these, so he has "better things to do" than posting "helpful tips" when he has a bunch of friends visiting and whooping it up. And if he doesn't drink, then a lifetime supply of free pizza coupons and movie rentals would be good.
Anyone here want to post a "helpful tip" to the effect that the dial must be broken, otherwise the numberplate would stay in one place?
Quote from: Willytx on October 29, 2011, 10:36:43 PM
That's a great dial card, is anyone making reproductions? Some people now would need instructions on how to dial a rotary phone.
I have a few somewhere, send me your address and I'll send you a few....Doug
Quote from: GG on October 30, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
Someone among us is going to have to track down Mr. Helpful and helpfully offer to keep his liquor cabinet well-stocked at times like these, so he has "better things to do" than posting "helpful tips" when he has a bunch of friends visiting and whooping it up. And if he doesn't drink, then a lifetime supply of free pizza coupons and movie rentals would be good.
We've tried "bating" him with fake ads, I can't remember what the outcome was. He either ignored requests to shut up, or it was determined to be more than one person. It was some time back, so my memory is fuzzy. I think it was done "offline", not posted on the forum.
This is far from perfect but cut to size and mounted under a celluloid cover it looks pretty good.
Frank (a.k.a. mcmurdosilver) used to sell very good reproductions of that card. Try contacting him over his ebay site if you want some. They are printed in heavy paper stock and you could get them notched for a WE500.
Quote from: GG on October 30, 2011, 12:42:59 AM
Darn, and I was going to call the seller's phone number and offer him a quick $300 for that one! :-)
Someone among us is going to have to track down Mr. Helpful and helpfully offer to keep his liquor cabinet well-stocked at times like these, so he has "better things to do" than posting "helpful tips" when he has a bunch of friends visiting and whooping it up. And if he doesn't drink, then a lifetime supply of free pizza coupons and movie rentals would be good.
Anyone here want to post a "helpful tip" to the effect that the dial must be broken, otherwise the numberplate would stay in one place?
Hey GG,
Yes, he certainly is a continuing pain in the buttinski. Maybe all the Forum members could chip in and buy him a lifetime free pass to whatever the successor to the Mustang Ranch is. Maybe that would keep him busy and out of our way.
DF
One of these dials was on ebaY maybe a year ago but I can't recall what it sold for. Dougpav do you have that one in your ebaY records? The similar AE Sunburst dial just sold for around $1500.
OR: Am I thinking of the predecesor dial, the 7001? The one with the space between 1 and 0 located between 5 and 7 oclock on the face?
All four of the currect bidders are phone collectors identifiable via the ebaY handles list so there is no doubt to them what this is. 5 bids from 4 seperate bidders and it is at $315 with exactly 6 days to go.
Terry
Jorge - or print out your own from the attached. I find printing on HP Brochure & Flyer - Glossy paper produces a copy that approaches an original. Punch out the card with an 1.5 inch paper punch (the punch was discussed in posts about six months ago). The notch is cut with an Exacto knife.
Chuck
Dave- Now that's a great idea! Or a refillable prescription for the pain meds that a certain well-known radio personality was hooked on for a while. Or a matched pair of male & female gerbils or hamsters, so he'll have more of 'em in two months than he knows what to do with. Or a rail pass to see the USA via Amtrak (that would keep him out of our hair for a month anyway, hey it's a start!).
Re. dial cards: Someone should do another just like the original but with "Remove receiver, listen for dialing tone. Put fingers in holes and make little circles." Whoever suggested that one originally ought to get a prize or something. I may try that one in early GPO format as well.
Quote from: GG on October 31, 2011, 04:34:03 AM
Dave- Now that's a great idea! Or a refillable prescription for the pain meds that a certain well-known radio personality was hooked on for a while. Or a matched pair of male & female gerbils or hamsters, so he'll have more of 'em in two months than he knows what to do with. Or a rail pass to see the USA via Amtrak (that would keep him out of our hair for a month anyway, hey it's a start!).
GG- There's a doctor down here in L.A. who might be able to get us a big bottle of Propofol (or several). That ought to put Mr. Helpful out of action for at least a little while. Unfortunately, the doctor is presently engaged in some sort of legal mess, and we will probably have to wait for that outcome before we can ask him.
Dave
Here is another print master of the number card, with smaller type so the notch doesn't interfere with the type.
Chuck
My first posting on this Forum:
Yes, the #1 dial is a rare dial. I know of 14 of them in the hands of collectors at this time and I have a photo or two of most of them. I also know there are basically three types and the types differ by the number of springs in the pileup and the wiring and function of each of the terminals. The last known eBay sale of one of these dials was very high.
Though my initials are GG, I am not the person who contacted the seller, but I did contact the seller after he had already learned that the dial was valuable. He was quite sure it was considering where he got it, but didn't know for sure. I am always happy when someone does something that causes the seller to let the auction go to the end so that ALL OF US have a chance to win an item. When I wrote to the seller, I confirmed that he had a rare dial. Mine by the way is of the same type, D8083, with four springs in the pileup. According to an expert on these matters, this particular configuration of dial was most likely used on switchboards that were converted from manual to automatic. This particular dial would not have been used on a deskstand as there are not enough circuits for the receiver and the transmitter, etc. One of the other configurations of this dial had a pileup with five springs and is wired like the #2 dials found mostly on W.E. deskstands.
By the way, if anyone is looking for an identical copy of the dial center on a #1 dial, I have some that are on photo film and look like the real thing. They are $5 each to your door.
Gary Goff
PS: For the writer who mentioned the 7001 dial: This is purported to be the first dial designed by Western Electric, but perhaps not patented. In any event, it was not the dial that Western E. and the Bell System adopted for use, and as a result was sent to Western Electric in Belgium where it became the 7001 and was used extensively in Europe. There were many iterations of it before it was retired so to speak. I would love to acquire a BTMC deskstand with one of these dials. I think that many collectors in the UK may own one.
Wow...Gary G's on board now, Welcome Gary!
That was me who was second guessing myself as whether this was a #1 or a 7001. I believe that the 7001 is the dial with the digits running from 7 oclock, clockwise to 5 oclock if that makes sense.
Not to change the topic here but I just mentioned to Dave Hunter today that I would ask you if you know what color the button is supposed to be on Strowger 11 digit wall phones. Dave made some buttons for Remco and myself so we are now trying to determine wha tcolor the originals were.
Terry B
Hi Gary- For the record, I have a warped sense of humor, and so does Dave F (and we were both naughty phone phreaks back in the day), so welcome to the club of folks who may have taken one of our snarky remarks seriously. Welcome aboard!, and if you want us to tone it down, just say the word.
But just to be sure everyone knew it was snark, there was a smilie at the end of the line about contacting the seller to offer them $300 early. I have never, nor would I ever, try to subvert an auction that way, or use sniping software or sniping services (I do my last-minute snipes manually). Nor would I ever go offering someone illegal drugs (or purloined prescriptions, or even a bottle of booze) to get them to go to sleep at an advantageous moment. Distractions with small furry critters are a different story however (mice also work for this purpose), and especially beware the penguin on top of your television set, which strictly speaking has feathers rather than fur but we don't discriminate.
I also have a 7001-ish dial; mine is marked only 7013B on the side of the fingerstop. These appear to be pretty common. It needs a trip to the Dial Doctor to get its mainspring fixed. It also has a Norwegian numberplate that would be nice to convert to US rural style (this can be done nondestructively by creating an overlay). The impulse mechanism is basically very close to that on the conventional A/B Elektrisk Bureau convertible desk/wall phones we've all seen, as is the off-normal mechanism.
Its impulse cam has an exceptionally long pulse for the digit that should be 1 (which is marked 9), that would be nice to swap out for one that's uniform (or perhaps my Panasonic PBX won't care and will convert it to DTMF digit 1 as it does with every other dial I have). Question is, are those kinds of mods tolerable or would that be first-degree destruction of historic equipment? (You guys! You guys have really gotten to me about this. The things I once did and contemplated doing only a short while before signing up here...! But, no longer, alas, all those odd mongrelizations and suchlike are things of the past, and I've reformed my evil ways...)
Quote from: AE_collector on November 01, 2011, 01:05:38 AM
Wow...Gary G's on board now, Welcome Gary!
That was me who was second guessing myself as whether this was a #1 or a 7001. I believe that the 7001 is the dial with the digits running from 7 oclock, clockwise to 5 oclock if that makes sense.
Not to change the topic here but I just mentioned to Dave Hunter today that I would ask you if you know what color the button is supposed to be on Strowger 11 digit wall phones. Dave made some buttons for Remco and myself so we are now trying to determine wha tcolor the originals were.
Terry B
Hello Terry,
Here is a picture of the BTMC 7001 dial:
Gary....a warm welcome to the Forum.
For those of you who have not had the pleasure, Gary has one of the most amaziing collections. His webiste is a monthly stop for me.
http://www.telephonecollector.info/
The only thing that tops his collection is the man himself. Generous to a fault and always there to help a collector. I know from from experience. We are all fortunate to have Gary join the Forum......Doug
Welcome Gary. Well the dial is over $1800 so far. I guess it is a rare one!
Quote...But just to be sure everyone knew it was snark, there was a smilie at the end of the line about contacting the seller to offer them $300 early. I have never, nor would I ever, try to subvert an auction that way, or use sniping software or sniping services (I do my last-minute snipes manually).
Up to $2215 now.
The last time I remember one of these coming up I got into an on-LIST spat with a collector club member over it. He called the seller and offered $800 to end the auction early. I felt the seller had cheated the bidders by changing the rules while into the game. And I felt the buyer had cheated fellow club members by subverting the auction. (Same member did the same on an A1 auction.) Quite frankly I have more of a problem with club members who subvert auctions in this manner than with "Mr. Helpful".
It sold for US $4,049.99...
Quote from: teka-bb on November 05, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
It sold for US $4,049.99...
One of the usual high end buyers. I guessed $3500 and thought I was high. Just a beautiful dial and rare this time really does mean RARE!!!! I love dials and this is the King....Doug
Quote from: Doug Rose on November 05, 2011, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: teka-bb on November 05, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
It sold for US $4,049.99...
One of the usual high end buyers. I guessed $3500 and thought I was high. Just a beautiful dial and rare this time really does mean RARE!!!! I love dials and this is the King....Doug
I'm happy with my BTMC 7001 which is probably equally rare. At least I didn't pay that kind of money for it :)
I wonder if they noticed it was broken and would the impulse arm on a #2 fit?
Robby
Broken as in missing the rubber insulator?
I was guessing $2,200. would be the final price. Wrong-o!
"Oh man, I took a clobbering in the stock market!"
"Not me, heh, I'm invested in old Western Electric stock..."
"Huh? I thought they went out of business decades ago?"
"Precisely. Stock, you know, in the stockroom! A whole garage full of old Western Electric telephones and parts! The value of some of it went up 50% in three years!"
"Well I'll be darned...!"
"Here, I'll give you a 1960 dial phone. Sounds better than that thing in your pocket...."
"Hmm, these could go viral..."
Broken such as snapped off
Robby
Quote from: GG on November 01, 2011, 01:13:52 AM
Hi Gary- For the record, I have a warped sense of humor, and so does Dave F ...
Two guys after my own heart! Much of my humor would get me booted before you could dial 1!
Quote from: telcoguy on October 31, 2011, 10:54:23 PM
My first posting on this Forum:
Yes, the #1 dial is a rare dial. I know of 14 of them in the hands of collectors at this time and I have a photo or two of most of them. I also know there are basically three types and the types differ by the number of springs in the pileup and the wiring and function of each of the terminals. The last known eBay sale of one of these dials was very high.
Though my initials are GG, I am not the person who contacted the seller, but I did contact the seller after he had already learned that the dial was valuable. He was quite sure it was considering where he got it, but didn't know for sure. I am always happy when someone does something that causes the seller to let the auction go to the end so that ALL OF US have a chance to win an item. When I wrote to the seller, I confirmed that he had a rare dial. Mine by the way is of the same type, D8083, with four springs in the pileup. According to an expert on these matters, this particular configuration of dial was most likely used on switchboards that were converted from manual to automatic. This particular dial would not have been used on a deskstand as there are not enough circuits for the receiver and the transmitter, etc. One of the other configurations of this dial had a pileup with five springs and is wired like the #2 dials found mostly on W.E. deskstands.
By the way, if anyone is looking for an identical copy of the dial center on a #1 dial, I have some that are on photo film and look like the real thing. They are $5 each to your door.
Gary Goff
PS: For the writer who mentioned the 7001 dial: This is purported to be the first dial designed by Western Electric, but perhaps not patented. In any event, it was not the dial that Western E. and the Bell System adopted for use, and as a result was sent to Western Electric in Belgium where it became the 7001 and was used extensively in Europe. There were many iterations of it before it was retired so to speak. I would love to acquire a BTMC deskstand with one of these dials. I think that many collectors in the UK may own one.
Welcome Gary! When the other "GG" first joined, I thought he was you, but he quickly corrected that. FYI, "GG" are my initials also.
Greg G.
Quote from: Brinybay on November 06, 2011, 01:22:10 PM
Quote from: GG on November 01, 2011, 01:13:52 AM
Hi Gary- For the record, I have a warped sense of humor, and so does Dave F ...
Two guys after my own heart! Much of my humor would get me booted before you could dial 1!
Yes, it's a constant challenge to keep it all "family appropriate". Anything we post here will remain available in cyberspace for all time, and it's easy to forget that what we say today could come back to haunt us later.
To heck with that -- I think I'll just go and listen to the rousing music of my Kohler Wellworth in action. That's a song that could be a million-seller. Could even go platinum, ya think?
I also definitely prefer keeping it G-rated around here. Mild naughtiness is OK, for example mild bathroom jokes, or mentioning a certain comedy duo from the late 60s - early 70s but not going into the subject manner of their humor. Gary also said he was pleased about the lack of cusswords around here too. (The one exception I can recall, being a posting from someone who received a smashed phone in the mail, and yeah most of us who've had that experience uttered the same word at that point. Those words work best when they are that rare.)
There's something really cool about a "keep it clean" policy that's evolved from a social consensus of the community rather than being imposed top-down by heavy handed moderation.
Gary also said the TCI list is pretty spicy stuff. I wonder if we might be able to exercise some influence over there...? "Hey guys, clean it up, OK?"
So, what sort of date would this dial be, and which models of telephone was it used in?
If we still are talking about the BTMC 7001, the B version was used in Oslo (Kristiania at that time) on the first 2 exchanges there. They were marked Western Electric on the frames, and bought from USA, but they were installed and put in service in 1920, so those 2 7A exchanges may be US made, or BTMC or a mix. The had this last long pulse until 1946 when they were modified from 5 to 6 digits.
The BTMC dials were probably not installed after 1925.
It is actually a phone for sale with this dial now for NOK 500 or approx $57. If the value of such dial is $4000 that will be a scoop, but I do not think so.
This link will die out, but her is the ad: https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=183276607
It is a phone from about 1924, and the dial is looking like this.
dsk
OK I have this 7001B And I can not use it because of that looooong last break.
Now I have dismantled it, and that was not easy. I really hope I may get it together again too. ;)
Some pictures:
dsk
More:
When you look at that last picture it is only short breakes, far from 60% except for the last one who is so long that it works like hook switch or something. And of course when dismantling the hex nut and the other threaded cam wheel is threaded counter clockwise.
Shall I modify it for use or not? How shall I make the pulses longer?
dsk
This IS a rare one, as there is no divit in the governor frame for a screw driver, but I have never seen that contact set before. Great find!
Quote from: dsk on August 29, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
When you look at that last picture it is only short breakes, far from 60% except for the last one who is so long that it works like hook switch or something. And of course when dismantling the hex nut and the other threaded cam wheel is threaded counter clockwise.
Shall I modify it for use or not? How shall I make the pulses longer?
dsk
In he past, X-link has been willing to add features to their software -- for non-standard dial speed, higher ring current output, etc. Perhaps they could add this dial to their list. Personally, I would not modify the dial itself.
I have kept it original, but I had another one pretty ruined ..
Maybe I could saved something by just sending them to Steve Hilz, bu I like to learn, and I had this worthless unusable old dial (I did actually not know what I had) It is marked 7001D so now I know. The number ring made of paper and cellophane was behind rescue, and the pulses sent was to short, except for the last that was to long. The dial is almost impossible to take apart so I went on it with the Dremel, and i changed the pulses to be of equal length, then I bent a little here and there on the contacts and springs and now it works great again (https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png) Pretty much tuning and fettling, and it was not far from totally ruined.