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Started by poplar1, March 11, 2014, 09:36:49 AM

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paul-f

While researching 1702 10-button Princess sets for a question on the TCI Email Group, I discovered sets with base dates of 9-64 and 11-67 (extending the range in the chart).

Also, the later set's dial is a 25P4 dated 10-67.
The speculation is that the 25P-type dials were made after the non-illuminated dials, so it would be interesting to discover the earliest manufacturing date.

(The early sets I checked so far all have replaced/refurbed dials, so don't have good early dates.)
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paul-f

Found the attached photos to close in on the transition from 25H to 25P Princess dials.

5-67 -- 25H4
7-67 -- 25P4

Can anyone close the gap or provide early 25H photos?
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poplar1

#212
Thanks for the date range updates. I had not heard of non-illuminated Princess dials other than CS sets. Is the 25H4 non-illuminated?

25P4 as shown has the holes for converting to 12-button. Note that transition from 25A3 to convertible
25W3 on 1500D set occurred by 2-67
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

poplar1

Quote from: paul-f on August 31, 2021, 07:30:10 PM
Found the attached photos to close in on the transition from 25H to 25P Princess dials.

5-67 -- 25H4
7-67 -- 25P4

Can anyone close the gap or provide early 25H photos?

25P4 6-67 posted by Dave F http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3720.msg49519#msg49519
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

paul-f

Thanks David and David.
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poplar1

#215
Dates stamped in ink on inside of receiver and transmitter caps for F-type handset:

Receiver Cap:

5 11 38
6 28 38


Transmitter Cap:

10-18-38

"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

poplar1

Extend date range for P-340016 number plate: I 52 - II 54.
This is the number plate with black dot which fits 6-type dials only.
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

poplar1

Trying to complete list of colors for the Signature sets, leased, but not sold, by AT&T.

Princess (2703BMG with LED dial):
Ivory (-50), White (-58), Pink (-59), Aqua Blue (-62) and Peach (-258)

2500
Maize (yellow), burgundy, black

2554
Maize
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

compubit

For the 2500: white, burgundy, maize, slate blue (dark grey), black, almond
2554: white, burgundy, maize, black, almond

The signature princess colors look correct.

Jim
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poplar1

Extend range for unmarked finger stop: 5-53, 10-53,  12-53, 3-54

Previous:         
6A.......11-51 -- 1970.......with black painted aluminum finger wheel and black case
      plain finger stop 3-52 -- 4-53*
      6 stamped on finger stop*11-54 -- 3-70
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

MaximRecoil

#220
Quote from: poplar1 on September 15, 2014, 12:14:21 PMHandset
             G1A                    6-49 10/50 - 11-64  1-66

If I'm reading that right, 1-66 is the newest WE 500 you know of with a G1 handset? I have two NOS black TA-236/FT GA-51859 phones (US Army Signal Corps version of the WE 500), both dated 6-66, and both of which came in their original boxes with US Army markings, and they both have G1 handsets with the normal G1 markings:

Western Electric
MADE IN U.S.A.
G1

And I know of an NOS one dated 7-66 that has a G1 handset too, because the guy I bought my two phones from had pictures of one.

Here are some more details about my two phones:

- The receiver cap on one of them has a date stamp on the inside of 5-66 and also says G3. There's a letter C there too, off by itself. The receiver cap on the other one also has a date stamp of 5-66 and a lone letter C, but instead of G3 it says 6G.

- Both caps on both handsets are thermoplastic (not Bakelite).

- Both baseplates are cadmium-plated.

- Both handset cords are H4CJ, and below that is stamped a "T" and a "II". On the other side of the restraint is stamped a "66".

- Both mounting cords are D3BN, and below that is stamped a "T" and a "II". On the other side of the restraint is stamped a "66".

- Both networks are 425E, dated 6-66

- Both ringers are stamped II-66, but one of them has 5 stamped dashes above the II-66 and the other only has 2.

- Both dials are 9C-3, dated 6-66.

- Both transmitters are T1, dated 6 8 66 on one of them and 5 27 66 on the other.

- Both receivers are U1, dated 6 9-66 on both of them.

- Both shells have threaded inserts and clear plastic plungers.

- Both shells are marked:

SIGNAL CORPS  U.S. ARMY
TELEPHONE SET TA-236/FT
Western Electric

- Both baseplates are marked:

GA-51859
6-66
(no other markings aside from the "<-LOUD-<" under the ringer volume control)