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Title: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Kenny C on November 25, 2010, 03:00:40 AM
We saw your aquas so now lets look at my second favorite odel of phone the 5302. I will start this off. mine is 1959
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 25, 2010, 08:19:31 AM
I have been told that my 5302 is not real from members in the ATCA. I bought this at a Flea Market just outside of Worcester MA about 20 miles from Framingham where I live. Even had a Worcester dial card. This is very cool looking phone, whether it is real or cobbled. Being bought at a Flea market does give it some credence as real, but who knows....Happy Turkey-Day....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Adam on November 25, 2010, 10:16:09 AM
Let's call that a 5302A.

As in, "A!  Is that a 5302?!"

:)

Here's my 5302.  Dated 4/59, inside cover dated 5-22-56.  I love the straight handset cord!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Just4Phones on November 25, 2010, 10:31:56 AM
Here is mine  ;D
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dennis Markham on November 25, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
Here's my white one (I posted this in another post a while back).  It's seen better days---it has some minor repaired damage--- but it's white.  The second photos shows it next to a 500.  It's a candidate for the peroxide bath.  Maybe next summer when the sun rises in the sky again.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Russ Kirk on November 25, 2010, 11:38:13 AM
Here's mine, albeit not as nice as the ones posted below.  It has a bakelite G1 handset. I'm still hunting for more.....

Doug,  I would have bought yours if I saw it,  even though it may be  not original.  I like it anyway.  

Russ...
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dave Zemens on November 25, 2010, 11:45:46 AM
Dennis:

Is that the white one you found when we went to that indoor sale near Lansing four or five years ago?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dan/Panther on November 25, 2010, 12:25:37 PM
Doug;
Could that be an early or prototype 5302 ?
Looks authentic, if not where did the dial mount come from ?
D/P
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dennis Markham on November 25, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
I do kinda like the looks of that phone, Doug.  Did someone modify a dial blank and then mount a 3 inch dial there?

Dave, the white 5302 came from a trade I made a while back.  As seen here.......

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1155.0
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Kenny C on November 25, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 25, 2010, 12:25:37 PM
Doug;
Could that be an early or prototype 5302 ?
Looks authentic, if not where did the dial mount come from ?
D/P

I didn't think of that. I realy like that one. What is the date on the inside of the case?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 25, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: Kennyc1955 on November 25, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 25, 2010, 12:25:37 PM
Doug;
Could that be an early or prototype 5302 ?
Looks authentic, if not where did the dial mount come from ?
D/P

I didn't think of that. I realy like that one. What is the date on the inside of the case?
Kenny...like most 5302s its a mish mash of dates with a 5m dial. All the screws match the holes, doesn't look to be a force fit. The  guys on the ATCA list said it was a fake. 

D/P...I doubt it was a prototye, with the way 5302s were made inside and outside the Bell System this looks like whatever someone had handy. Still a cool phone...Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Adam on November 25, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
I really like the strange 5302 too!  Any chance we could see a pic of the inside of the shell, to see how it's all held together?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Greg G. on November 25, 2010, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: Kidphone on November 25, 2010, 08:19:31 AM
I have been told that my 5302 is not real from members in the ATCA. I bought this at a Flea Market just outside of Worcester MA about 20 miles from Framingham where I live. Even had a Worcester dial card. This is very cool looking phone, whether it is real or cobbled. Being bought at a Flea market does give it some credence as real, but who knows....Happy Turkey-Day....Doug

Did you use the Avon SSS on this one?  What reasons did they give for it not being "real"?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Greg G. on November 25, 2010, 06:11:35 PM
Here's my 3.  Some of you make me feel guilty about the time and effort you've put into polishing them up.  I'm such a lazy *$#@! 

In date order, starting with the oldest (I'm going by the date stamp on the base, not the shell date):

1940 Port Orchard "Triangle" 5302, fully functions.  I put more effort into this one than any of the others, but nearly ruined it in the process.  The outside was ok, but the insides were a mess.  I had to repaint and replicate the stamps, including the manufacture date stamp on the inside (not shown, but it's in another thread). 

1941 with F1 handset.  Works except it needs a receiver element.  It appears somebody (not me) at one time "adjusted" the feet by glueing on a spacer to level it out.

1947 5302, fully functions.

I can't help but think the stamps on the bottom of 5302s were hand-stamped, judging from the variation of the placement and quality.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 25, 2010, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 25, 2010, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: Kidphone on November 25, 2010, 08:19:31 AM
I have been told that my 5302 is not real from members in the ATCA. I bought this at a Flea Market just outside of Worcester MA about 20 miles from Framingham where I live. Even had a Worcester dial card. This is very cool looking phone, whether it is real or cobbled. Being bought at a Flea market does give it some credence as real, but who knows....Happy Turkey-Day....Doug

Did you use the Avon SSS on this one?  What reasons did they give for it not being "real"?
Greg...I did use SSS on it. I was told that WE never used that type dial blank. It does look odd the way the dial is raised, but I think it also looks cool. I don't know, but I do really like it...Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: AE_Collector on November 25, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: masstel on November 25, 2010, 10:16:09 AM
Let's call that a 5302A.

As in, "A!  Is that a 5302?!"

:)


I was thinking it was a 5301 ..... as in "not quite a 5302"...

How is it all held together Doug? Why can't the round "lack of" number plate be put into the shell from the inside rather than sitting on the outside?

Terry
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Adam on November 25, 2010, 08:45:52 PM
Quote from: ae_collector on November 25, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
"not quite a 5302"...

5301 1/2?

:)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on November 25, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Model numbers for the 5300-series added a 5 to the model number of the donor 300-series set.
   http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#5300

A 5301 would be a set made from a 301.  Not likely.

A favorite of mine is the 5251.

Here are some photos showing various bottom stampings.  That's one of the most interesting features to me, as there didn't seem to be as much consistency as we are used to seeing from the Bell System.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 26, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: ae_collector on November 25, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: masstel on November 25, 2010, 10:16:09 AM
Let's call that a 5302A.

As in, "A!  Is that a 5302?!"

:)


I was thinking it was a 5301 ..... as in "not quite a 5302"...

How is it all held together Doug? Why can't the round "lack of" number plate be put into the shell from the inside rather than sitting on the outside?

Terry
Terry....I never tried, but I think the rise is to gradual to fit it the hole. This is the way I found it and I'm really quite happy with it ....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on November 26, 2010, 08:57:31 AM
OK, here is one of my 5302's in my display of WE phones. I have several other black ones not pictured.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on November 26, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Here are a few more creative/questionable sets...
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Wallphone on November 26, 2010, 06:34:46 PM
Paul, is that adapter ring listed in any of the BSP's (like 501-160-100)? I have one that looks like it on a SC 1543. I always considered that phone to be in the same category as the 5302. It mounts from inside the body and it is the same size as what would fit into a 500. There is no way that it would fit in a 5302. Doug, did you get to look inside to see how yours is mounted?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 26, 2010, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: Wallphone on November 26, 2010, 06:34:46 PM
Paul, is that adapter ring listed in any of the BSP's (like 501-160-100)? I have one that looks like it on a SC 1543. I always considered that phone to be in the same category as the 5302. It mounts from inside the body and it is the same size as what would fit into a 500. There is no way that it would fit in a 5302. Doug, did you get to look inside to see how yours is mounted?
Doug...It is mounted with three screws in the holes that the number ring would mount to without the fork. A nice, unforced fit. It looks very similar to your SC mount without the rubber ring. Looks like you have solved the mystery. Its still a keeper. Man, what people did to to make a phone work! I paid $1 for it, so I don't think someone was trying to make a collectable for big bucks!!....other Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: deedubya3800 on November 26, 2010, 08:32:55 PM
Since 5302's are made from a mix of used and new parts, I always mention both the base plate date and the shell date when discussing them. Since they weren't built in the factory, you're gonna find all kinds of funny business out there. Here's mine, though, the one that really started me as a phone collector though I already had a couple of rotary phones. Base and coil from 1946, shell from 1-5-1960.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Kenny C on November 26, 2010, 08:35:43 PM
Great phone DW

The left plunger on mine sticks Does anyone know what could cause it?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 26, 2010, 08:43:57 PM
Usually dirt causes it. 

Did you try taking them out and cleaning them? 

You would need to remove the three scres that hold the hookswitch and the hand-hold cover in place.  I would clean them with ordinary cleaner like 409.  Clean the inside where the plungers ride with some cleaner using Q-Tips.

Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Jester on November 27, 2010, 03:21:44 PM
Here's a shot of the light beige 5302 I won from John Huckeby last year.  The base & most of the internal parts are dated 1939 & the plastics, dial & handset elements are 1959.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dennis Markham on November 27, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
Very nice, Stephen.   Beautiful phone.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 27, 2010, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on November 27, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
Very nice, Stephen.   Beautiful phone.
I second that...its a beauty.....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Jester on November 29, 2010, 01:25:09 AM
Since we're talking 5302's, who's going to show off their G/F handset?  All of mine are in pieces & aren't attached to a displayed phone.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: AE_Collector on November 29, 2010, 10:42:08 AM
Speaking of 5302's, there is an article by Russ Cowell on the 5302 in this months "Singing Wires" (Nov 15, 2010). It gives the history of the 5302 in the Bell System along with comparison pictures of the 500 and 5302.

Apparently our very own Doug Pavlichek (Wallphone) knows where the pictures for the article came from. Lets just say that he doesn't need to study the pictures too close as he has the originals in his collection.

Terry
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on November 29, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: ae_collector on November 29, 2010, 10:42:08 AM
Speaking of 5302's, there is an article by Russ Cowell on the 5302 in this months "Singing Wires" (Nov 15, 2010). It gives the history of the 5302 in the Bell System along with comparison pictures of the 500 and 5302.

Apparently our very own Doug Pavlichek (Wallphone) knows where the pictures for the article came from. Lets just say that he doesn't need to study the pictures too close as he has the originals in his collection.

Terry
Terry...is it possible to put the article on the Forum for the non TCI Memebers to see?.....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: AE_Collector on November 29, 2010, 04:53:18 PM
Quote from: Kidphone on November 29, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
Terry...is it possible to put the article on the Forum for the non TCI Memebers to see?.....Doug

I'd have to assume that doing so would be in breach of something! The TCI newsletter is the flag ship of TCI so that is there main drawing card for them to bring in new members. I think they have a special for new members though with 16 months of electronic newsletters for either the regular 1 year rate of$25 or it might even be on special for new members at $20.

Terry
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: tjmack99 on December 02, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
So, Kidphone, what makes your 5302 A "not real". Is it the dial? That's what stood out to me, but I don't know very much about 5302s. It looks very cool, was that dial never actually intended to go on the 5302?

And while we're on the subject, is the 5302 with the G1 handset considered any more or less desirable, vs the F handset?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on December 02, 2010, 01:24:30 PM
The concensus is that the dial blank that goes where the number ring would be is really from a 500 type Stromberg Carlson making it a Frankenphone and not the real deal. I still think its cool and I'm keeping it. 5302s came with both the F1 and the F1 handsets, both are common and one is not more scarce than the other.....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: tjmack99 on December 02, 2010, 04:01:16 PM
Hey thanks. I should have read all the posts, because much of my question was already discussed. I agree that it's a really cool look. To the un-trained eye, the 5302's with the G1 handset look just like a 500. But keeping the 302 dial really shows off the fact they it's a hybrid phone.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on December 03, 2010, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: Wallphone on November 26, 2010, 06:34:46 PM
Paul, is that adapter ring listed in any of the BSP's (like 501-160-100)? I have one that looks like it on a SC 1543. I always considered that phone to be in the same category as the 5302. It mounts from inside the body and it is the same size as what would fit into a 500. There is no way that it would fit in a 5302. Doug, did you get to look inside to see how yours is mounted?

Hi Doug P.

I agree that Doug R's dial mount looks like the one in your SC 1543. 

Here's a photo showing SC apparatus blanks made with two pieces.  The white one is seperated, showing that it could be used to hold a 3" dial in a 1543-style set.

It's interesting that the SC 1543 Field Handbook in the TCI Library shows a one piece blank. 
   http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=3481&Itemid=2

Anyone have documentation for the two piece blank or a photo of the one piece blank?

I've also attached photos of some other SC sets with the blank/dial adapter.  I wish I had some of the sets, particularly the brown one!  :(
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: deedubya3800 on December 04, 2010, 06:34:33 PM
Personally, I like the G-series handsets better on a 5302 because they fit the look of the phone. The F-series just looks loose. Based on what I see on eBay, they seem roughly just as common as one another in the real world.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: wds on December 10, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
I just acquired my second 5302 along with a 1954 500, and a 1956 500.  I usually don't buy doubles of a particular phone, but I couldn't pass this one up.  It's built on a 1937 base.  The components are all 1937 except for the ringer, which I assumed they replaced when it was converted to the 5302.  They're all dirty, and will require a lot of elbow grease, but not bad for $40 including shipping.  They all have the 4 prong plug, and the seller even included an adapter.  Probably won't keep the 500's, except maybe for parts. 
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: AdamAnt316 on December 14, 2010, 08:50:07 PM
Here are my 5302s (both with F-type handsets). The first one is technically a 5304 (101B inductor/B2A ringer), but has "5302G" stamped on the bottom plate. The housing which came with it had a piece missing from the front left corner when I got it, but I've since replaced it.
(http://www.electronixandmore.com/adam/images/phone/blk5302_1.jpg)

The second 5302 has more conventional innards, but the housing was apparently originally for a 5410 (hence the metal plug where the line switch would've been). The housing and handset (F1W) both lack Bell System markings.  The bottom plate has "5314" stamped on it, for some reason, along with a date of 1965 and a snowflake-type marking.
(http://www.electronixandmore.com/adam/images/phone/blk5302_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: rp2813 on December 28, 2010, 10:24:33 PM
Doug, your 5302  with #5 dial looks exactly like what I had envisioned one would, before I had ever seen one for real.  I guess Ma Bell felt it was worth it to go with a #6 dial and a numbered outer ring in order to make sure the subscribers who got 5302's were fooled into thinking they had a new 500.

I really like your 5302, or whatever it is!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Tom B on December 29, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
Here's mine. I plan to change the F1 for a bakelite G1 spare that I have. I also think it looks better. I'm also hoping a straight handset cord for sale on eBay at the moment, which will be fitted if I win it. I usually like keeping things as they come, but this is the style of 5302 that I want.
Having said all that I still like Doug's hybrid - very nice phone.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on December 29, 2010, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Tom B on December 29, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
Here's mine. I plan to change the F1 for a bakelite G1 spare that I have. I also think it looks better. I'm also hoping a straight handset cord for sale on eBay at the moment, which will be fitted if I win it. I usually like keeping things as they come, but this is the style of 5302 that I want.
Having said all that I still like Doug's hybrid - very nice phone.
thanks s guys...I like it the minute I saw it, maybe not the real deal but someone had some ingenuity to put it together....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: guitar1580 on December 30, 2010, 12:02:56 PM
Here's my oddball 5302, and this is how I bought it.  I got most of my phones approx. 15 yrs ago through want ads, yard sales, flea markets, etc., before I had the net, ebay, etc.

This phone has an E handset which is like new.  My area is quite rural, esp. back in the 40's, and many of the phone companies were small.  I've heard many stories of mix / match parts being used, and using whatever would work to get it going.  I'm wondering if this one got a repair call for a broken handset, and got a new E slapped on because that's what was available or in the truck at the moment.

Any phone tech. "in the know" who would go to sell it would surely slap a bakelite G or F on it and sell the near mint E seperately, maybe for more than the whole 5302, wouldn't we?

Anyway, I'm leaving it as is, since that's how I found it, as a possible company mix / match.  I'll post another thread on a similar situation I ran across with an old 500 here locally.

Josh P



(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/guitar1580/029.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/guitar1580/030.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/guitar1580/031-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 30, 2010, 12:31:54 PM
Josh, that's pretty cool that you got the phone that way.  The E1 handset is very nice and a keeper for sure.  I don't think I've ever seen another 5302 with an E handset.  Thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on December 30, 2010, 10:31:49 PM
As long as we're being creative...
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Kenny C on December 30, 2010, 10:33:00 PM
is that a #2 dial?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: rp2813 on January 07, 2011, 07:45:09 PM
I love, love, love that one with the 1937 base.  It's my ideal 5302, hiding the fact that there is one of the earliest of the 302 chassis underneath its updated casing.  I'd love to have a G1 handset on a phone like that and blow people away by advising them they were talking on a piece of equipment from 1937.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: George Knighton on February 10, 2013, 08:11:09 AM
Quote from: AdamAnt316 on December 14, 2010, 08:50:07 PM
The second 5302 has more conventional innards, but the housing was apparently originally for a 5410 (hence the metal plug where the line switch would've been). The housing and handset (F1W) both lack Bell System markings.  The bottom plate has "5314" stamped on it, for some reason, along with a date of 1965 and a snowflake-type marking.

I'm a little confused about this.  What exactly is a 5314?

I recently acquired a second 5302-type of phone from Vern, which I'm assuming is a two-line 5410.  That's what it looks like on the inside, but all I have to compare it against is the wiring of a late model modular 515.

The base isn't marked with a model.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 17, 2013, 03:45:20 PM
I revisited this thread today, and realised, I hadn't posted my 5302, with an unusual dial card. See below.

I also discovered, you know you have WAY TO MANY PHONES, when you see one, like the 5302 Paul posted 2 years ago, with the G1 handset,  I was thinking to my self, now that's kind of nice, I'll have to get me one.  I recall thinking about one like it, a couple years back, If I remember correctly,  I was thinking the handset didn't fit the 5302 case.
Well to make a long story short, I'm dusting off my phones, and low and behold, I have a phone like Paul's, sitting on my shelf. Right there in plain site, for all the world, and God to see, but I forgot I had it. TO MANY PHONES...
NOT A CHANCE.

D/P
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HowardPgh on March 17, 2013, 04:02:22 PM
My 5302 with GF handset.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: McHeath on March 18, 2013, 12:52:44 AM
Wow, that's a shiny phone.  Love the condition. 
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HowardPgh on March 18, 2013, 09:20:18 AM
McHeath,
The phone has a NOS case, everything else is from the original phone.
The original case had some very deep gouges in it.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on March 19, 2013, 03:05:31 PM
5302 with K handset.  It fits!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: unbeldi on March 19, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
Well... nothing too exciting, I suppose, but here is my set of 5302s.... from early to medium late issues, a 1956 piece with F1 handset, and 1959 and 1962 with GF handsets, in that sequence from left to right.

1956: Housing: 6 4 56; Base 8-3 47; ringer B1A 3-47; IND 101A I47; 195A IV46 G; dial 5M 756 56L, 164C-3 II56; cord D3AY I56; Handset F1 Bakelite (HA1 1-13-42, F1 8/36 756T 551E)

1959: Housing: 10 28 59; Base 11-49, NOV 1959; ringer B1A 11-49; IND 101A IV48; dial 6H 8-52; Handset GF Bakelite (HA1 11-53, F1 1-47)

1962: Housing: 5-15-62; Base 6-50-1 JUN 26 1962; ringer B1A 6-50-1; IND 101A II-50 1; 195A; dial 5M 10-47; Handset GF Bakelite (HA1 6-29-49, F1 3-47)

I am really only looking for a 1955, and perhaps a 1965 sets, or perhaps a colored version in case they actually exist.

One of these days, I shall polish them. The early set however, came in unbelievable dirty condition inside, nice now... all dialing and receiving nicely
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dennis Markham on March 19, 2013, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on March 19, 2013, 05:42:13 PM

I am really only looking for a 1955, and perhaps a 1965 sets, or perhaps a colored version in case they actually exist.


They exist.  Check out this link:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1155.0

There have been many posts on the forum about 5302's in color.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2013, 08:57:40 PM
Here's a beauty that flew under the radar on ebay three years ago. It  looked like a 500 in the listing. I have cleaned her up since I took these pictures.


(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt253/dvortv/pink5302001.jpg)

(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt253/dvortv/pink5302003.jpg)

(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt253/dvortv/pink5302002.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: LM Ericsson on March 19, 2013, 11:06:00 PM
Here is my one and only 5302 with F1 handset and a base from 1947.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Greg G. on March 20, 2013, 05:53:16 PM
Quote from: Dan on March 19, 2013, 08:57:40 PM
Here's a beauty that flew under the radar on ebay three years ago. It  looked like a 500 in the listing. I have cleaned her up since I took these pictures.


Silly me, I was looking for a "Like" button for it!   :D
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 20, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: HowardPgh on March 17, 2013, 04:02:22 PM
My 5302 with GF handset.

Howard;
I'm wondering where the handset cord is from, it doesn't appear WE issue. Looks like one you would expect to see on a AE.
D/P
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: zaphod01 on March 27, 2013, 09:47:11 AM
I have all of my 500's ringing and polished. Time to move on to 5302's.

The left is a '49 base with a F1 handset and straight cord. Right is a '48 base with a G1 handset and fat curly cord. Neither rang upon arrival. Just got the '49 ringing this morning! Moved red ringer wire from GND to L1 (thank you Dan/Panther!).

Time to sort out the '48.



Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: southernphoneman on March 27, 2013, 04:40:39 PM
this is my 5302, it came to me with the g1 handset. this phone took a lot of work to get it operational. and i switched it over to an f1 handset, so anyway here is the photo.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: zaphod01 on March 27, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
Nice!

I love the look of a F1 handset on a 5302. It just looks right to me.

I got my '48 ringing. It had the same issue as the '49. Red ringer wire was hooked to GND. What's up with that? I find it odd that I bought two 5302's and both appear to have the ringer intentionally defeated.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: southernphoneman on March 27, 2013, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: zaphod01 on March 27, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
Nice!

I love the look of a F1 handset on a 5302. It just looks right to me.

I got my '48 ringing. It had the same issue as the '49. Red ringer wire was hooked to GND. What's up with that? I find it odd that I bought two 5302's and both appear to have the ringer intentionally defeated.
i hope that you got your 5302s working.mine had a lot of little issues. my ringer only came with one bell, had to replace the dial assembly. already mentioned the handset,this was not one of my favorites but with all the work on it i really started to like it.fuuny thing though, when i bought it i did not know what a 5302 was.i purchased thinking it was a 500, the photo only showed the front, but i am really glad it turned out to be a 5302.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Andre91 on January 14, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
Here's my 5302W, recently bought on ebay for $14.99... I think it cleaned up nicely. The base and handset have matching dated of 9/41; the shell and #6 dial are dated 6/63. Judging by the dust inside it hadn't been serviced since then, and I had to replace the handset cord due to the wires having dried out. The handset cord is one out of my box of spare parts, it needs to be straightened or replaced with new.

Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on January 14, 2014, 05:30:49 PM
It looks great!  Congratulations!

It's easy to straighten the coiled cord by winding it around a dowel that's the same diameter (or slightly smaller) as the inside of the coil.  Let it sit a while before removing the dowel.

You can check other threads for more on cord restoration.  Some like to heat the cord to help set the coil.  Others reverse wind it.  Experiment and have fun.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: BDM on March 07, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
Completely original as found. Bought it at a Grosse Pointe estate sale. It has the original telephone number card and is from the 313 area code.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: andre_janew on December 14, 2014, 04:28:41 PM
Here are a few pictures of the 5302 I recently sold.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dan/Panther on December 14, 2014, 06:37:18 PM
I just was going over this thread again, when I saw the photo of the 5302 with the E-1 handset. how strange, I tried that on my phones this morning BEFORE I read about. They don't fit.
D/P
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 14, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: BDM on March 07, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
Completely original as found. Bought it at a Grosse Pointe estate sale. It has the original telephone number card and is from the 313 area code.

Brian, must have missed your addition to this thread.  Very nice phone with the TUxedo dial card.  Andre, yours looks to be in great shape too.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: BDM on December 14, 2014, 10:38:12 PM
Dennis, I've had that particular phone for years. I can't even remember when I bought it. I believe I wrote about it in the virtual phone show thread some time back.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: andre_janew on December 15, 2014, 12:03:19 PM
My phone only brought $8.99 on eBay.  It was sold to ben keys who did some work on it and started a thread on it.  I think the name of the thread was I'll be the new owner of a 5302.  I don't recall the link for it though.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on December 15, 2014, 06:23:30 PM
Here is my first 5302....Doug

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=13206.msg138850#msg138850
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 09, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
I just started collecting again after about a 30 year hiatus and joined the board yesterday. Amongst my new finds is a 5302 I found on etsy for $15 plus $14 shipping. Looks to be in pretty fair condition....unfortunately has a G1 handset rather than an F1 though.
I usually collect AE and Stromberg Carlson but until I started cruising this board I had never even seen a 5302! It looked just funky enough to be interesting :)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on April 09, 2015, 04:34:48 PM
Welcome to the forum!

It's pretty funny how most collectors prefer a G1 over an F1 on a 5302, while you prefer an F1 over a G1. I, personally, could go either way, and have one of each.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: unbeldi on April 09, 2015, 04:37:12 PM
Quote from: mdodds on April 09, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
I just started collecting again after about a 30 year hiatus and joined the board yesterday. Amongst my new finds is a 5302 I found on etsy for $15 plus $14 shipping. Looks to be in pretty fair condition....unfortunately has a G1 handset rather than an F1 though.
I usually collect AE and Stromberg Carlson but until I started cruising this board I had never even seen a 5302! It looked just funky enough to be interesting :)

Welcome!

Are you sure it is a true G1?  Or is it a GF?  They look identical, even the logo has the G1 designation in the handle, but the GF has F1 and HA1 elements, not T1 and U1, and the caps have a special mark in the center, F and H, respectively.

Here is a GF handset from a 1959 5302GR-3GF.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Mr. Bones on April 09, 2015, 08:16:00 PM
Quote from: mdodds on April 09, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
I just started collecting again after about a 30 year hiatus and joined the board yesterday. Amongst my new finds is a 5302 I found on etsy for $15 plus $14 shipping. Looks to be in pretty fair condition....unfortunately has a G1 handset rather than an F1 though.
I usually collect AE and Stromberg Carlson but until I started cruising this board I had never even seen a 5302! It looked just funky enough to be interesting :)

Welcome to the forum, sure am glad to have you here!

     Nice 5302, sez I. 8)

     When I first learned of them, I wanted one so badly I could almost taste it. You know the deal. I found one on ePay, with a G-type handset on it, with the intention of installing an F1 to get that 'funky' look that was the initial allure to the phone. Natch, right? ;)

     During the brief time it took me to find an F1, was told by several that 5302's are somewhat less common with the G set vs. the F set, so I re-thought, kept my first one original, and bought another (rather homely ;) ) one with the F set. Win-win deal, as I see it; both stay as they were, preserving their originality.

     I hope that you enjoy and utilize the forum, and your telephones, to their fullest.

Best regards!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: persido on April 09, 2015, 09:27:27 PM
Welcome to the forum, great looking 5302, the 5302 is my 2nd favorite phone, the 302 model is my favorite.

Scot
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on April 09, 2015, 09:32:20 PM
Welcome!
You are an excellent example of the disease of Phoneitis. Even after a 30 year abstinence period the disease just picks right up. Do you recall why you stopped back then? Too many phones? Too much money spent on phones? Too much time spent on phones?
Our little asylum is the perfect place for all phone nuts ;D
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 10, 2015, 09:53:51 AM
Well, the Phoneitis is a symptom of a larger issue of telephonyitis :) My first phone was a surplus Stromberg Carlson 1553 wall phone that I purchased in the late 60's from Olson or Burstein-Applebee (can't remember which) for $2 or 3. I was 12 or 13 at the time and desperately wanted an extension in my bedroom. It was all there, but all the cords had been cut and since I lived in a small town (this was before the Internet) I had no way to find a wiring diagram for it. I managed after a fashion to get things cobbled back together, and it worked :)
After high school etc. there was the impediment of having a job, kids etc. I morphed from being an electrician to a computer guy, and discovered the Asterisk VoIP pbx a few years ago, re-igniting the telephony bug. I have quite a few of those systems out there in production, and they can do some pretty cool stuff. Then I read a few weeks ago that some of the analog terminal adapters I use in my VoIP systems can accept pulse dialing, which led me to unearth a few of the old rotaries that I still had and the rest is history :)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: andre_janew on April 10, 2015, 04:22:27 PM
As I understand it, Western Electric made an F-4 handset that uses the T1 and U1 elements and it looks like the F-1 handset.  While the F-4 probably wasn't used on the 5302, I can imagine someone could installing one on such a phone and thinking it was an F-1.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 10, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
Not sure about the handset yet (other than it obviously isn't an F1)since it hasn't arrived yet. I kinda hope it's a GF.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: unbeldi on April 10, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: mdodds on April 10, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
Not sure about the handset yet (other than it obviously isn't an F1)since it hasn't arrived yet. I kinda hope it's a GF.

Ah... you haven't got it yet.   It probably is a GF.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 12, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
Just checked tracking and it should be here tomorrow :)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 13, 2015, 03:13:34 PM
It's here :)
The photos are just as I removed it from the box. Standard G1 handset, no F adapters. Numbers inside the base appear to match (Dec. 1949). The base is stamped 5306G. The only other marking on the bottom is S654. Anyone know what the thing is that looks like a vacuum tube bolted on a bracket?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on April 13, 2015, 03:19:23 PM
That tube was for party line use. It's commonly found on 501s in the mid-'50s. I believe Jorge Amely stripped the paint off the glass of one on a 501, and wired it up so it would glow when the phone was in use. I forget how he did it, and I also forget what circumstances the tube would work under.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 13, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
Naturally a search on the forum found lots of stuff about the tube.....reading up on it now :) Lots of cleaning to do, but overall it's in good shape for a phone I have $27 invested in!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on April 13, 2015, 08:11:01 PM
Another way to find info on a Western Electric phone is to look it up by model number and read the BSPs covering the phone.

In this case, check out the chart here for some BSP suggestions:
  http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm (http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm)

As a shortcut, the model number may be appended to the URL:
   http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#306 (http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#306)
   http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#5306 (http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#5306)

Many BSPs can be found in the TCI Library
   http://www.telephonecollectors.info/ (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on April 13, 2015, 08:24:26 PM
Did you remove a ringer gong or was it missing?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 13, 2015, 09:16:51 PM
Thanks for those links Paul!

Harry, that gong was gone when I got it.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: unbeldi on April 13, 2015, 09:20:54 PM
Finding a 5306 is not a common occurrence.  Nice.  I like phones with special flavor.

The electron tube was used to trigger the ringer in a way on party-lines with a special methodology of polarized ringing (interrupted DC essentially), so that each station could be specifically selected.  This provided fully selective service for four stations, and semi-selective signaling for eight parties.

Tube ringing telephones used a special low-impedance version ringer, the B3A ringer, having a DC resistance of approximately 2000 ohms, rather than the usual 4600 ohms of the the B1A ringer.

Polarized tube ringing had the advantage of reducing line imbalance, because the ringers were not constantly loading each side of the line. When not triggered by a voltage of at least 70 volts or so, they presented a very high impedance to the network and therefore no inductive noise or cross-talk problems.

I am trying to reason why this set would not have a GF handset.  Perhaps it was used in a zone where they actually needed the extra efficiency of the T1 and U1 elements.  I'll see if I can find another reason, or some information about other 5306 sets.

The 5306 set, when equipped with F1 and HA1 elements, is identical in performance to the 306 telephone.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on April 13, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
I thought so, looks like someone was trying to make it ring a little quieter, leaving only the muted gong. I would be interested in hearing how it sounds.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: unbeldi on April 13, 2015, 09:56:39 PM
Please note the date stamped on the inside front edge of the housing.  This is either the housing manufacturing date or the assembly date of the phone. Which one it is, we really don't know for sure, but apparently some housings with stamps in the mid-60s or so have been found, by which date the assembly of 5300 sets had been discontinued.

Your set was assembled after that date in 1958, if I am reading it properly in the picture.   The dial seems to have been lubricated last in 56, if I am interpreting that stamp on the governor correctly.   Note that it was relabeled as a type 5M, because of the the special number plate that was used with them. Only the 5300s used the 5M dial.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 14, 2015, 12:29:27 PM
I haven't had a chance to power it up yet, but it looks pretty good. The only problems I have noticed so far are the dial is a little noisy (hopefully some toothpick applied light oil will fix that) and the cradle plungers stick a bit. That should correct itself when I disassemble the housing and clean it.
If I read the info on here about the 426A tube correctly it is essentially used as a steering diode, so it should conduct on one side of the AC ring voltage? It will be interesting to see if one of my ATA's is capable of ringing the phone.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: unbeldi on April 14, 2015, 02:52:29 PM
An ATA should be capable of firing the tube.  In fact, it was just a couple weeks or so ago, that I tested a spare tube using an ATA.

The ringing power that modern superimposed AC ringing provides isn't exactly the intended mode of operation, but it should work in some fashion anyways since the tube acts as a rectifier in addition to being a switch.  You may have to swap the tip and ring leads if one way doesn't work, because of the DC bias on the line.

Here is the circuit diagram for a 306 telephone with the tube wired for grounded ringing.  Simply connect the GND terminal to TIP in this case.

The black lead into the tube is the operating anode that carries the current for the ringer, and passes it to the cathode with is the yellow wire. The red wire is connected to the starter anode, which is directly connected to one line side, in this case the TIP side (normally ground) of the central office line. A few µA of current are sufficient to provide enough ionization of the gas so that it breaks down into a a plasma which forms the conductive path between cathode and anode.

(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12416.0;attach=163480;image)


[original image replaced with link to 306 article (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg130835#msg130835)]
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 15, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
Another quick question: Is there supposed to be a return spring on the hookswitch or does it just use the tension of the switch itself? Mine has no external spring, and the return seems rather weak.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 15, 2015, 02:58:23 PM
And another thing :) What do you use to clean up the inside of the phone, such as the inductor, capacitor etc? This one is dusty and dirty inside.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: mdodds on April 16, 2015, 06:59:01 AM
All back together.....smoke test later today.

edit: It's alive!  Works fine except for ringing, which was not unexpected considering it's a 5306. The 426A looks pretty cool when the ring voltage hits it though :)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on July 14, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
Here are my 5300-series sets.

The one on the left is a 1957 5302 on a 1950 302 chassis. I originally bought it from forum member 'benhutcherson' a year and a half ago. It had really deep scratches all over with pink paint splatters, but some wetsanding and polishing yesterday took care of that. I don't think coiled cords look good on a 5302 with an F1, so I added a straight cord.

The one on the right is a 1958 5304 on a 1949 chassis. I personally think 5302s like this one look better with G1 handsets over F1s, the opposite of what I used to think. This one also looks cool with that great original dial card!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Ed Morris on June 16, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Here is my $10 WE5302G.  I was thinking of just using it for parts for a 302, but when I checked it out and found it worked pretty good, I decided to restore it.  At first I considered repairing the shell, but after looking at the deep scratches on the right side, and noting the thermoplastic was also broken where the dial sits, I gave that idea up.  Instead, I found a used body shell, which cost a bit more than the original phone.

I cleaned all the parts and coiled cord, and I made a new cover from clear acetate and a new dial card.

The handset is a G1 with F1 tx dated 12/37.  HA1 rcvr is dated July 7, 1948. 

The original body is dated June 4, 1958.  The replacement shell is dated August 1, 1961.
The baseplate is dated May, 1949
The B1A ringer is dated May, 1949
The 101A Network is dated November 1949
The 5M dial is dated September, 1950,
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Alex G. Bell on June 16, 2017, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Morris on June 16, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Here is my $10 WE5302G.  I was thinking of just using it for parts for a 302, but when I checked it out and found it worked pretty good, I decided to restore it.  At first I considered repairing the shell, but after looking at the deep scratches on the right side, and noting the thermoplastic was also broken where the dial sits, I gave that idea up.  Instead, I found a used body shell, which cost a bit more than the original phone.
Good that it has leather feet.  Some of mine have molded rubber, which have dried out and caused base plate corrosion.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on June 16, 2017, 06:00:41 PM
Nice job, looks GREAT!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: AL_as_needed on June 16, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
Not as fun as, well...any color other than black, but a fun phone none the less. My "5301.9" assembled from a box of parts (.9 for homemade feet).

Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Ed Morris on June 17, 2017, 08:16:57 AM
It's a 5302A+!  You get extra credit for making your own feet.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: N7LTH on December 19, 2018, 06:16:42 PM
I have a real fondness for the 5302s, probably because they weren't assembled in the normal fashion.

First one was also my first acquisition, an F1 handset/#5 dial.
Second one, also an F1/#5 dial.
Third, a GF handset/#5 dial.
Fourth, a GF handset/#6 dial.
Last but not least, a G handset/#6 dial.

I'm trying to collect all the different combinations of handsets & dials that they may have been equipped with. Just for fun.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Ed Morris on December 19, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: N7LTH on December 19, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
Thank you!

I do hope to restore these to the best of my ability once I retire in 18 or so months (or maybe start before). There's just SOMETHING about these 5302s...
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: kleenax on January 15, 2019, 12:57:11 PM
WHITE WE 5302 that I owned about 15 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: FABphones on July 27, 2020, 04:18:16 AM
5302G. Recent purchase. Looking forward to taking a look inside, and making it shine...
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: tubaman on March 08, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
I've just got this one via eBay for £18 plus £7 P&P (about US$32 total). Looks like it was converted by an independent as it's not Bell Systems marked and the base has no markings or ringer volume slider. Case is dated 4 10 62 and the base 10-37 - quite an early one! Handset is an F1W.
One of these has been on my wanted list for quite some time as they rarely turn up in the UK.

Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on March 08, 2021, 09:25:04 AM
Quote from: FABphones on July 27, 2020, 04:18:16 AM
5302G. Recent purchase. Looking forward to taking a look inside, and making it shine...

Did this one ever make it to the workbench?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Doug Rose on March 08, 2021, 11:39:39 AM
I got a NOS on the cheap last year on eBay and added it to a really nice 5302 base and a F1 handset.

I do like the looks of a 5302.....Doug
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: FABphones on March 08, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: tubaman on March 08, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
I've just got this one...

Brilliant. Glad that went to you. Always good to see phones turn up here 'in the family'. Looks to be in a nice condition.

Quote from: HarrySmith on March 08, 2021, 09:25:04 AM
Did this one ever make it to the workbench?

I'll answer on my workshop thread so I don't send this thread off topic.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=23861.45
:)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: tubaman on March 08, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: FABphones on March 08, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
Brilliant. Glad that went to you. Always good to see phones turn up here 'in the family'. Looks to be in a nice condition.
...

Apart from a small amount of rust around the feet it's in very nice shape. The same seller sold another a short while ago but I missed out on that one. This one was cheaper and I think is actually nicer, especially as it has an early chassis.
:)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: MMikeJBenN27 on August 26, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
To Tubaman:

Wow!  This one is an oldie!  This started life as a 1937 302!  You can tell by the base plate.  That type was used ONLY in late 36, when the 302 came out, - 1937.

Mike
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: MMikeJBenN27 on August 26, 2021, 04:00:34 PM
And by the induction coil.  It faces the opposite direction from most other 300 series phones.

Mike
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Randbell on April 21, 2022, 08:34:46 AM
Sideways collector question... If someone had just one 5302 example, which handset would be preferable (F1 or G1), or does it make any real difference to desirability beyond aesthetic personal preference? For whatever reason, I've passed on this one for years because I told myself it was a bit of a transitional Frankenstein, lol... And now I'm dying to add an example to the collection.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on April 21, 2022, 08:50:36 AM
Whatever you prefer. They were designed for both. I prefer the GF handset as I feel that is the "transitional" one, looks like a G but has F elements.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on April 21, 2022, 09:54:26 AM
Quote from: Randbell on April 21, 2022, 08:34:46 AMIf someone had just one 5302 example, ...
Of course, the natural course of phonitis is to start with one example  -- but soon have all three choices.

So, which do you want first?

I started with the F1, as it was the first I ran across. It has been joined by several more sets. Like Harry, my favorite is the GF.

http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#GF (http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#GF)
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: poplar1 on April 21, 2022, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: Randbell on April 21, 2022, 08:34:46 AMSideways collector question... If someone had just one 5302 example, which handset would be preferable (F1 or G1), or does it make any real difference to desirability beyond aesthetic personal preference? For whatever reason, I've passed on this one for years because I told myself it was a bit of a transitional Frankenstein, lol... And now I'm dying to add an example to the collection.

There are actually 4 handsets that are correct for 5300-series sets: G1, GF, F1, and F4.

The sets with G1 or F4 handsets should also have 6H dials. The 6-type is more precise, which is helpful on longer loops, where the T1 transmitter unit and the U1 receiver unit would normally be used (whether with a 500 or 5302).

The GF or F1 handset would be a better match for short loops. Close to the Central Office, a 5302 with G1 handset had high sidetone. Southern Bell, however, used 5302s with either G1 or F1 handsets on short loops, despite the specifications. (I still remember the high sidetone on our leased 5302G-3G.)

BTW, the 5300 is *not* a transitional set, as it was introduced 6 years after.the 500.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: HarrySmith on April 21, 2022, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: paul-f on April 21, 2022, 09:54:26 AMOf course, the natural course of phonitis is to start with one example  -- but soon have all three choices.

So, which do you want first?

I started with the F1, as it was the first I ran across. It has been joined by several more sets. Like Harry, my favorite is the GF.

http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#GF (http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm#GF)

OF COURSE. Must have one of each!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: MMikeJBenN27 on April 21, 2022, 08:48:03 PM
It might be "real" alright, but it is not stock.  That spacer that the dial assembly is in is not Bell.

Mike
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: poplar1 on April 22, 2022, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: MMikeJBenN27 on April 21, 2022, 08:48:03 PMIt might be "real" alright, but it is not stock.  That spacer that the dial assembly is in is not Bell.

Mike

Which one are you referring to?
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: Randbell on April 23, 2022, 07:36:09 PM
Quote from: paul-f on April 21, 2022, 09:54:26 AMOf course, the natural course of phonitis is to start with one example  -- but soon have all three choices. So, which do you want first?

Paul, lol... I discovered how true this is with my collection of 1965-era 10-button phones. They're a bit newer than my favorite vintage WE items, so I told myself I'd get just one. Then I ended up with 3 different color 1500D's and a treasured 10-button Trimline 1220.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: paul-f on April 23, 2022, 09:04:40 PM
Quote from: Randbell on April 23, 2022, 07:36:09 PMPaul, lol... I discovered how true this is with my collection of 1965-era 10-button phones. They're a bit newer than my favorite vintage WE items, so I told myself I'd get just one. Then I ended up with 3 different color 1500D's and a treasured 10-button Trimline 1220.
Welcome to the group, Randbell.

I have faith that your collection will continue to grow. BTW, We love photos. Hope to see some of your collection and favorite phones.
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: MMikeJBenN27 on April 24, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: Jester on November 27, 2010, 03:21:44 PMHere's a shot of the light beige 5302 I won from John Huckeby last year.  The base & most of the internal parts are dated 1939 & the plastics, dial & handset elements are 1959.
Kool!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: MMikeJBenN27 on April 24, 2022, 07:21:57 PM
Quote from: guitar1580 on December 30, 2010, 12:02:56 PMHere's my oddball 5302, and this is how I bought it...

This phone has an E handset which is like new...
A first for everything I guess!
Title: Re: Lets see your 5302's guys and gals
Post by: MMikeJBenN27 on September 08, 2022, 02:51:09 AM
Quote from: Doug Rose on November 25, 2010, 04:27:12 PMI didn't think of that. I realy like that one. What is the date on the inside of the case?
Kenny...like most 5302s its a mish mash of dates with a 5m dial. All the screws match the holes, doesn't look to be a force fit. The  guys on the ATCA list said it was a fake. 

D/P...I doubt it was a prototye, with the way 5302s were made inside and outside the Bell System this looks like whatever someone had handy. Still a cool phone...Doug
Now that I bought a manual Stromberg-Carlson 1543, I think that dial blank is from a Stromberg-Carlson phone.  A 3 inch Western Electric dial fits and mounts perfectly in those.  The center portion is a separate part and is removable.

Mike