I got my C*net line connected the other day with the help of Shane Young. C*net stands for collector's net, and is a private (not public phone network) voip phone network. It's free and you can call any other c*net number, and there are no area codes because it is just 7 digit dialing. I connected it as a line on the pbx. Shane Young helped me get set up with the ATA, which is the device that plugs into the PBX and acts like a small central office. Mine also supports pulse dialing. A lot of c*net numbers are connected to old step switches and PBX.
If you want to call any c*net number and you're not on c*net, you can use one of these portal numbers from a normal phone:
+1 (206) 203-6610 Country Code + Number
+1 (206) 203-7640
+1 (515) 949-1232 Speech Recognition: Say country code and number
+1 (800) 953-4065 (with this one you need to dial 1+ the 7 digit number
+1 (952) 652-7000 Country Code + Number
My c*net number is 821-9952, and anybody can call it if they want and I'll talk if I'm not busy or in the bathroom (Surprisingly I don't have phones in there. :D :D) although don't call at 3 in the morning (Pacific Time). ;D ;D
C*net is pretty cool and there's more information here:
https://www.ckts.info (https://www.ckts.info)
This is my ATA. One port plugs into the router to the internet and the phone port connects to the PBX, although you can also just plug a phone straight into it if you want. It is a Motorola vt1005.
Nobody has C*NET?
Not yet, I was hoping you'd show me how. I e-mailed you.
Kinda ironic, but I get more info via this type of medium than I do talking on the phone.
You may call me at +47 2 21 62 40 please not later than 10 p.m. Norwegian time.
dsk
Well, I got my router from Shane Young today, and have successfully made my first few calls on C*Net. I called Kyle and I called my friend Colin, both in Sunny California.
Woo Hoo.
Today I have finally gotten my C*NET switch running with the help of Dave Haber. It is running on the 794 prefix.
Taken from www.ckts.info (http://www.ckts.info):
Background
In the fall of 2004, an email conversation began on the Telephone Collectors International mailing list. Several folks who had restored older PBXes and CO switching systems had begun to wonder, now that Voice Over IP was beginning to be viable, if there was a way to connect their switches together via the internet.
Someone mentioned the Asterisk VoIP PBX , and, with a little experimentation, the project took off, with several of the switchers creating Asterisk switches as tandems to their switches. A central switching scheme was established, office codes were assigned, and an automated method of looking up call routing was put in place. The Collectors' Net , or C*NET , was born.
Since then, we've built a private network that includes more than just electromechanical switches connected to Asterisk PBXes. So far, we have older PBXes and CO switches, key systems of various sorts, and individual telephones.
These are connected not only by Asterisk VoIP PBXes, but also by other VoIP PBXes, Analog Terminal Adapters, VoIP telephones, and soft phones. There has also been some successful experimentation involving embedding Asterisk, pre-configured, into a standard residential firewall/DSL Modem.
We have our own mailing list , where we can cuss and discuss challenges and solutions, as well as pretty much anything telephony or VOIP related. The discussions so far have produced a wealth of information, available in the mailing list archives . You'll need to subscribe to the mailing list in order to view the archives, so you should plan ahead.
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Anyways, now that my switch is running I am offering anyone that wants to a C*NET number. You can even choose your number, it just cannot start with 8 or 9.
There are two great ways to connect to C*NET.
1. Use an ATA (analog terminal adapter). This will allow you to connect your standard telephone, including rotary phones. Not all ATAs support pulse dialing (what rotary phones use), but one in production that does is the Grandstream HT502. If you do not want to use pulse dialing, then any ATA will work like a Linksys PAP-2NA. One word of warning though: Be sure you get an ATA that is not locked to any one service provider. If it says Vonage on it, it will not work with C*NET. ATAs can be found on eBay for around $20.
2. Use an ip phone. An ip phone is a telephone that has an ethernet jack in it. You plug it in to your router and use it like a normal phone. Think of it as a telephone with an ata built in it. A really good ip phone is a Linksys SPA941, I have one and the sound quality is crystal clear.
3. This way I do not recommend, but it is possible. You can use a soft phone, or a phone in your computer. You will need a microphone and speakers, but it is free. X-lite is a popular free one. http://www.counterpath.com/x-lite.html (http://www.counterpath.com/x-lite.html) I do not like soft phones because the sound quality is not as good as a real phone. Computers were never made to be a telephone.
Once you get your device, it is really easy to configure, even for those who are scared of computers. Here is a screenshot with all you have to configure. The fields you need to enter are circled. Don't worry, if you have problems I can help. Another good thing is that you can change what device you are using. If you are on an ip phone and want to use an ATA, no problem. All you have to do is to enter the information you entered in the ip phone on the ATA.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_b7MXZ63zS4g/TEDpjLzSOfI/AAAAAAAAA3o/0PU6kJusRq0/s800/Screenshot.jpg)
Those are the fields you enter, and I will tell you what you need to enter in those fields.
The dialing scheme on C*NET is really simple. You dial the country code, in this case 1, plus the seven digit number. There are no area codes. To call me you would dial 1-794-5953. Inter pbx calling is only the last four digits, so if I hosted you and you wanted to call me you'd dial 5953.
Anyways I encourage anyone who wants to be on C*NET PM me or call me and tell me their desired number. If you don't know much about computers I'll help you, and once you get it running you will be very happy.
What is the advantage of a C*NET number versus one from Google Voice?
Is this an example of an "ATA phone adapter"? (That was my ebay query).
150457146420
Can a non C*NET user call you on your C*NET number?
C*NET is a private network, meaning it is not on the PSTN. If you dialed 794-5953 you might be connected to Pizza Hut or something. Google Voice is a really cool service, but it is a PSTN service. C*NET is for phone collectors or those who like phones, like us. ;D. C*NET is basically a whole another phone network. You can also have voicemail if you want, although some don't want it if they want to use an answering machine. I can enable or disable voicemail for anyone, depending on their preference.
How many people are in the C*NET network? Is there a directory published?
A lot of people. Here is a directory, but some people aren't listed.
https://www.ckts.info/directory.php (https://www.ckts.info/directory.php)
If 553-xxxx is unused, can any C*NET user take it?
Yes, but you'll need to set up an Asterisk machine to use the prefix.
Nobody wants to join C*NET?
Quote from: JorgeAmely on July 16, 2010, 07:34:13 PM
What is the advantage of a C*NET number versus one from Google Voice?
Is this an example of an "ATA phone adapter"? (That was my ebay query).
150457146420
Can a non C*NET user call you on your C*NET number?
Sorry Jorge for missing that part. Yes, a non C*NET member can dial in by using one of the portals.
+1 (206) 203-6610 Country Code + Number
+1 (206) 203-7640
+1 (515) 949-1232 Speech Recognition: Say country code and number
+1 (800) 953-4065
+1 (952) 652-7000 Country Code + Number
Yes, the ATA you posted would work fine. You can get the Linksys PAP2-NA ATAs for the same price though that can have two lines on them. It's best to get one that says it is unlocked, then you know for sure it is not locked to any one service provider like Vonage. Also be aware that the one you saw on eBay probably doesn't work with pulse dialing. You can use your Panasonic 616 and connect the ATA to it as a line and then the 616 will convert to touch-tone for you.
There's still a lot of people here that aren't on C*NET yet too.
The other side of the coin is:
Can someone from inside the C*NET network call anyone in the POTS system?
I don't see a lot of benefits so far for being in the C*NET network.... am I missing something?
PS: I called the +1 (206) 203-6610 number and it was busy. I guess you can't use a rotary phone to call this number, right?
I can give you a number and you can play with it on a softphone. If you don't like it you can just quit using it.
No you can't call the PSTN because that would cost money, and C*NET doesn't provide that. You'd need a provider like voip.ms or Vonage for that. On my switch you can call toll free numbers though, because that is free for the caller.
Congratulations, Kyle on getting your C-net server up and running. No small task. As you know, I am already on C-net.
Jorge, it would not be a direct replacement of your family phone line, but it is kind of a cool toy. I use it to have yet another couple of lines in and out of my Panasonic 616. There is another collector named Colin that has not participated on this board yet, but he and I do use the C*Net system to chat away quite frequently. It is very good quality sound and is very reliable.
Some folks have entire step switches and other legacy PBX systems hooked up, along with all kinds of test numbers, recordings and all kinds of other connectivity schemes.
All one needs is an ATA or a soft phone such as X-Lite to be in business. Since that softphone is free, it can be set up for no cost. Unlocked Vonage ATA's are out there for about $20 or $25.
Quote from: Phonesrfun on July 17, 2010, 12:06:49 AM
Congratulations, Kyle on getting your C-net server up and running. No small task. As you know, I am already on C-net.
Jorge, it would not be a direct replacement of your family phone line, but it is kind of a cool toy. I use it to have yet another couple of lines in and out of my Panasonic 616. There is another collector named Colin that has not participated on this board yet, but he and I do use the C*Net system to chat away quite frequently. It is very good quality sound and is very reliable.
Some folks have entire step switches and other legacy PBX systems hooked up, along with all kinds of test numbers, recordings and all kinds of other connectivity schemes.
All one needs is an ATA or a soft phone such as X-Lite to be in business. Since that softphone is free, it can be set up for no cost. Unlocked Vonage ATA's are out there for about $20 or $25.
Can I plug into it using my PBX?
Yes, although in order to go into the Panasonic 308 the softphone approach would not work, you would need to buy an ATA, which creates a POTS line output. It would act like a regular phone line, except that as mentioned before, it is a collectors network and is not directly connected to the outside world.
You can, however dial into any C*Net number from any regular phone by first dialing an access number and then dialing the C*Net number at the C*Net dial tone. For instance, there in the 206 area code is one of those access portals to C*Net. It is in Kyle's original post, and it is 206-203-6610. You would get John Covert's announcement, then, for instance to call Kyle's C*Net number, you would dial 1-794-5953. If you had the ATA hooked to your Internet, you would pick up the phone and at the dial tone, just dial 1-794-5953 without having to call the access portal.
If you have the C*Net ATA, you can really only call other collectors and the various recordings and so forth. But that is no small deal. For instance, you can call Remco in Holland, all for free, but remember what time it is in Europe before calling!
There are no fees or charges to be on C*Net, but if you do want to use an ATA, you do have to buy one of those. Of course there are other far more elaborate ways to connect than using an ATA. Kyle has just gone the next step beyond the ATA and configured his own server. You see, with the ATA, you go through someone else's server.
Not sure I understand. I looked up ATA's, but they all refer to Voip, which I don't have.
Quote from: Phonesrfun on July 17, 2010, 02:50:32 AM
You can, however dial into any C*Net number from any regular phone by first dialing an access number and then dialing the C*Net number at the C*Net dial tone.
Bill: To do the above, you need a TT phone, right?
Quote from: Phonesrfun on July 17, 2010, 02:50:32 AM
Of course there are other far more elaborate ways to connect than using an ATA. Kyle has just gone the next step beyond the ATA and configured his own server. You see, with the ATA, you go through someone else's server.
Bill, another question: If you have your own server, you still need the ATA to connect your phone(s) to your own server. Is that correct?
Quote from: JorgeAmely on July 16, 2010, 11:08:43 PM
I don't see a lot of benefits so far for being in the C*NET network.... am I missing something?
Jorge:
I don't consider the advantage of C*net to be for free phone calls but rather as a way to place calls through other collectors switching equipment and to their various collectible telephones.
C*net is acting like tie lines and trunks tying everyones switch gear together therby putting traffic back onto these systems and in doing so we are able to call anyone else who is on C*net, anywhere in the world (for free).
Some of the initial users have small and even large Step by Step PABX's and/or CO's set up in their basements or "Switch rooms". With a connection to C*net, they now hear their systems working as they used to in the real world. Callers into the system hear the various tones generated by these antique and collectible systems as well as the particular sounds made processing calls.
S0 while classifying it as a toy is probably pretty accurate, us phone collectors can never have enough toys, right?
That is my take on the C*net.
Terry
Quote from: JorgeAmely on July 17, 2010, 10:35:45 AM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on July 17, 2010, 02:50:32 AM
You can, however dial into any C*Net number from any regular phone by first dialing an access number and then dialing the C*Net number at the C*Net dial tone.
Bill: To do the above, you need a TT phone, right?
If you have a Panasonic 616 or 308 or 1232 it will convert the pulses to tone and you will be able to use the access number. I think you have a 616. Plus, this way it doesn't matter if the ATA works with rotary or tone because the 616 is converting it to tone for you.
Quote from: Brinybay on July 17, 2010, 03:44:19 AM
Not sure I understand. I looked up ATA's, but they all refer to Voip, which I don't have, I use my cell phone in conjunction with the XLink plugged in to the PBX.
There are many kinds of Voip. The kind you are thinking of is a telephone company like Vonage that gives you a PSTN number and costs money. The kind of voip I'm referring you uses the same technology but uses C*NET as the network and gives you a C*NET number all for free.
Any ATA will work, as long as it is not locked to any service provider. These will usually say they are unlocked, or if they are Linksys, will end with the model designation -NA.
All you have to do is to plug the ATA in the second line port, which is after the Xlink. If you want to make a standard call over your cell, you'd just dial 9 as you normally would. If you want to dial onto C*NET, you'd just dial 8 then 2. That tells the Panasonic which line you want to call over. The best thing is, you don't have to worry about pulse dialing support because your Panasonic automatically converts the rotary to tone.
Quote from: bellsystemproperty on July 17, 2010, 02:33:23 PM
All you have to do is to plug the ATA in the second line port, which is after the Xlink. If you want to make a standard call over your cell, you'd just dial 9 as you normally would. If you want to dial onto C*NET, you'd just dial 8 then 2. That tells the Panasonic which line you want to call over. The best thing is, you don't have to worry about pulse dialing support because your Panasonic automatically converts the rotary to tone.
But I still need to get an ATA. Are ATA's all the same? A quick look on ebay, I see a wide range of prices, from $12.95 for a used one up to over $200, average is around $50. Frankly, I'm not going to pay $50 for one. How would I tell if an incoming call is from somebody on CNET or a regular call?
Quote from: Brinybay on July 17, 2010, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: bellsystemproperty on July 17, 2010, 02:33:23 PM
All you have to do is to plug the ATA in the second line port, which is after the Xlink. If you want to make a standard call over your cell, you'd just dial 9 as you normally would. If you want to dial onto C*NET, you'd just dial 8 then 2. That tells the Panasonic which line you want to call over. The best thing is, you don't have to worry about pulse dialing support because your Panasonic automatically converts the rotary to tone.
But I still need to get an ATA. Are ATA's all the same? A quick look on ebay, I see a wide range or prices, from $12.95 for a used one up to over $200, average is around $50. Frankly, I'm not going to pay $50 for one. How would I tell if an incoming call is from somebody on CNET or a regular call?
I found one for $29 with free shipping. Any ATA will work as long as it is unlocked and supports SIP protocol. (all of them do). The Linksys one I posted will work fine.
http://tinyurl.com/248e8yt (http://tinyurl.com/248e8yt) The ATA, a Linksys
http://tinyurl.com/2uw3tke (http://tinyurl.com/2uw3tke) This one is $14 + $8 shipping, but I have not heard of that brand and could not find that much info online.
I found another good deal here. $22.80 with free shipping, seller has good feedback. Plus this one has a router you can use if you don't already have one.
http://tinyurl.com/3429ygv (http://tinyurl.com/3429ygv)
(http://maomifadacai.net/my/image/rtp300-1.jpg)
Does used necessarily mean it's unlocked, or should I check with the seller first? I found one for $12.95, but it doesn't say if it's unlocked:
http://tinyurl.com/29xcxud (http://tinyurl.com/29xcxud)
That's for a Meridian phone system, and would not work for our purposes. The one I posted above will work for sure as it is the standard SIP protocal. If it is used that does not necessarily mean it is unlocked, and if one is unlocked then you can be sure the seller will want to advertise it is unlocked in large capital letters.
I made an offer on the first one (don't need a router) of $20.95, see if he'll take it.
Not really sure what I'll use CNET for, other than talking to collectors, but what the hell, there's no monthly fee or LD charges, just a one-time purchase of $20-$30 for the ATA, may as well join the club and add it to my collection of cool toys.
What's also cool is that for people who have an iPhone or an Android phone (not me) they can also use it for C*NET, but do not expect as good of quality. For iPhone you will need to use iSip and for Android Sipdroid. The settings to input are the same as the other methods.
Quote from: bellsystemproperty on July 18, 2010, 01:08:01 AM
What's also cool is that for people who have an iPhone or an Android phone (not me) they can also use it for C*NET, but do not expect as good of quality. For iPhone you will need to use iSip and for Android Sipdroid. The settings to input are the same as the other methods.
That's a lot of "oids". ;)
So, if I got an ATA and plugged it into my Pana 616 its like a second line to the CNET right?
So I could designate whatever phones through programming the PBX into making it a CO line 2?
Righty, found that "Linksys RTP300 BROADBAND Router VOIP 2 phone" on the bay same seller - refurbed.
So if I spend my last £20 on it, do I plug into my Pana 616 through a RJ11 to BT PSTN and thats my C-NET link on CO line 2?
I'm a bit intolerant when it comes to computer thingys.
I've also registered for C-NET so waiting for the email.
(I know how work email)!
You would use the ATA and plug it in to line 2 on the 616. Are you making your own C*NET server? I could give you a C*NET number, but then you would have a US number.
I have a guy called Ian Jolly email me, and he trys to explain, but basically I should get a Linksys SPA3000 which lets you have an STD code plug a block of numbers - effectively 'Direct Dialling In' where each of your extensions would have its own outside number/ This is not like DISA where you have a single number on one of your incoming trunks - your PBX then answers the call and gives dialling tone and the caller then dials further digits.
So I could assign CO1 as my landline and get another 2 CNET lines?
Feck it.
Just bought the Linksys SPA3000, which according to Mr. Ian gives me a CO1 and two other assigned CO lines.
I'm sure I'll be amazed with the results when I figure out how to wire it up etc!
It's not very difficult to connect. Are you using it to connect to his C*NET switch?
Yes, sent Ian Jolly my landlne number and we were on the phone for about 2 hours, so its through his server.
Once I get the hardware, he's gonna talk me through it.
BTW he had never heard of this forum!
GPO, that's great.
Briny, did he accept the offer? The RTP300 does the same thing, and the router function doesn't have to be used if you already have one. I just posted it because it was cheap.
Here's a funny recording I made by blending some of the files the Asterisk switch comes with by default.
Dial 794-4745. To access this in the meantime until you get an ATA just use one of the portals like the 800-953-4065 one.
This is a list of the files the switch came with.
http://www.nathanpralle.com/software/ast_masterlist.html (http://www.nathanpralle.com/software/ast_masterlist.html)
Quote from: bellsystemproperty on July 18, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
GPO, that's great.
Briny, did he accept the offer? The RTP300 does the same thing, and the router function doesn't have to be used if you already have one. I just posted it because it was cheap.
Here's a funny recording I made by blending some of the files the Asterisk switch comes with by default.
Dial 794-4745. To access this in the meantime until you get an ATA just use one of the portals like the 800-953-4065 one.
This is a list of the files the switch came with.
http://www.nathanpralle.com/software/ast_masterlist.html (http://www.nathanpralle.com/software/ast_masterlist.html)
Kyle:
It looks like you need a TT phone to try the procedure above.
Not necessarily, because Panasonics convert the pulse dialling to touch-tone automatically. You just don't hear the tones because the Panasonic suppresses them.
I have been out of town all week end. Looks like I missed a lot of this thread.
Quote from: bellsystemproperty on July 18, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
Briny, did he accept the offer? The RTP300 does the same thing, and the router function doesn't have to be used if you already have one. I just posted it because it was cheap.
No. In fact, he counter-offered with an insulting $28.00, a whopping 95 cents off. I don't have time for that kind of nonsense, I just did a BIN on the one with the router. I'll let you know when it gets here.
Quote from: bellsystemproperty on July 19, 2010, 12:08:00 AM
Not necessarily, because Panasonics convert the pulse dialling to touch-tone automatically. You just don't hear the tones because the Panasonic suppresses them.
I will try that tonite. I have been dialing direct so far.
I made a website for C*NET and info. Here is my website at www.penguintel.com (http://www.penguintel.com). It's not perfect yet, but it's still good. (it is still a working progress)
Good job, Kyle:
You have come a long, long way since you first came here. You have certainly passed me up in the voIP department!
Oh the website is down again. Whenever it goes down it reverts to this annoying ad website. :( I'm not liking the host the site is on (orgfree.com), I will need to go to someone like 1and1.
Also, I won't be back until tomorrow if anyone called me.
My website will be down, probably for at least a day or two, because I am switching to a more reliable host.
Anyone that wants to can still join my C*NET 794 exchange and be on C*NET.
Hi All:
Expect to find the Telephone Museum of Prince Edward Island on C*NET this weekend on the 651 series of office codes.
At first it will only go to the Panasonic 616. and one of its extensions with a phone and 40 minute answering machine, but that will expand to other switches in the museum as I have time.
I have a Linux/Asterisk server arriving tomorrow a.m. in the mail - a nice little Atom ITX system, mostly pre-configured and with two each FXS and FXO ports. The office codes are activated, the dyndns address is set up, Port forwarding is set up, and hopefully now it will be just a matter of booting up the machine and setting up inbound routes to extensions.
I want to thank Dean Clark and Chad Perkins for their help and generosity which have fast tracked this. I also have two ATAs on the way which will probably be used in this house, and in the summer, a CISCO 2650XM router for the system will be arriving.
The C*NET number which should be active this weekend will be 1-651-0001 assuming I can figure out how to set the inbound route to it.
Dave
I see for sure I will have my C*NET on this weekend - I just checked my Canada Post scans and not only is the asterisk server coming this morning, but also two Motorola VT1000 ATAs are being delivered. Either way, I should be able to get the museum on C*Net right away if all is set up as I believe it will be.
All are supposed to be configured for easy set-up - we will see when they come. The main thing I need to do when they come is set up the incoming lines - the server should be ready for outgoing calls...
Can't wait till the mail actually arrives!
Trouble is, when it comes I will have to leave to pick up my wife in Hospital - she has been in with pneumonia for several days, and was discharged this morning. Try to explain to a wife that she has to wait until your parcels have been delivered before she can come home :-[
<G> It has been nice and quiet for the past few days!
Dave
Ok, all is a go now, and several calls have come in tonight., including a couple from Maine, and one from Germany,
The number set up for now is 1-651-0001 and that goes to an announcement/messaging machine.
The asterisk server seems to be working well!
Dave
All sounds pretty easy to accomplish Dave! That gives me hope to get some equipment onto the C*Net one day as well.
Terry
Quote from: AE_collector on May 05, 2012, 06:17:34 AM
All sounds pretty easy to accomplish Dave! That gives me hope to get some equipment onto the C*Net one day as well.
Terry
Hi Terry:
I think the easiest way is to use an ATA - I am using a server, and that complicates matters, but is more powerful... I am running across one problem right now which hopefully we will get solved this morning. We had the problem yesterday, and got rid of it, but it returned after a few calls last night.
When one tries to call out, there is a very long wait, it times out than you get a "All circuits are busy now, please call again" message. This is only on calls originating from the system. Calls from outside are 100% perfect - there were over 20 calls overnight to the voice-mail. If I pick up during any of those calls, I can talk to them with no problem...
So, we need to get that little problem solved. I probably messed up the configuration at some point.
It is a neat little server, an ATOM ITX based machine - very small footprint with its programming on a semiconductor hard drive. No conventional hard drive or CD-Rom The only extra thing in the computer is an Asian made FXS/FXO board. Normally no keyboard or monitor needs to be plugged in, but now as I play with it, I am using a monitor plugged in so I can keep an eye on it....
An Atom can be made a lot smaller, but this one has 2 empty bays for CD Rom or hard drives.
Having fun playing. Last night there were calls from all over North America, one from Germany, and among the callers were Chuck Richards and Chad Perkins.
Photo below shows server with answering machine sitting on top.
Dave
After a frustrating day, we finally have the dial-out problem solved. Normally getting the dialing in more difficult, but in this case, we had the inward dialing set up, then outward dialing stopped...
We finally tracked it down this evening to a setting in the firewall which wasn't "sticking" - after we reset it, it would work for a few calls, then revert to its previous setting, blocking outward dialing.
Thanks to Dean Clark who build the machine and who helped with the set-up, and to my son Jeffery who finally discovered the cause. It is nice to have great IT support!
In the past 24 hours, there have been a large number of calls into the system, the furthest so far from Germany,
The system is attached currently to a messaging system through the Panasonic 616.
C*NET number is 1-613-0001
C*NET RULES!
Dave
Hi Dave:
I called and got the recording. Works very well.
-Bill
Quote from: Phonesrfun on May 05, 2012, 10:48:22 PM
Hi Dave:
I called and got the recording. Works very well.
-Bill
Hi Bill:
I saw you called a couple of hours ago! Thanks for giving it a try... Now, I have this working, I have to try to get the two Motorola ATAs I bought working, too! Can't get them to load their config files, but then I have been concentrating on getting the Asterisk Server going first....
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on May 05, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
Now, I have this working, I have to try to get the two Motorola ATAs I bought working, too! Can't get them to load their config files
Unfortunately, you picked one of the hardest to configure ATAs that you could possibly find. They are configurable, however. I have two here myself that I bought for grins, and I did get one working once. Good news is, several of us here and on the C*NET list have made them work, so there's help here for you on this aspect, too.
Quote from: Adam on May 06, 2012, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: DavePEI on May 05, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
Now, I have this working, I have to try to get the two Motorola ATAs I bought working, too! Can't get them to load their config files
Unfortunately, you picked one of the hardest to configure ATAs that you could possibly find. They are configurable, however. I have two here myself that I bought for grins, and I did get one working once. Good news is, several of us here and on the C*NET list have made them work, so there's help here for you on this aspect, too.
Adam:
Can you suggest an easier one to get going? these don't seem to want to be set up at all...
I am wondering about the Grandstream HT-502 - ever heard of anyone who has put one of them on C*NET? I hope someone might be able to guide me as I set it up, so unless I know of someone who uses one, I probably won't get it. I am looking for one to use in this house, and plan to leave the server in the museum...
Dave
I absolutely can recommend an easier one, and you read my mind.
The HT-502 couldn't be easier to set up and use. I currently have 5 of them installed here at my premises, and two are accessing my system as OPXs (off premises extensions). You might read somewhere that they are unreliable but that is definitely not my experience. I've never had one go bad. They're really small, easy to program, and accept pulse dialing from rotary phones. You can find them easily on eBay for about $50.00 each. Each Ht-502 includes two FXS ports. They would work great in your application where some of your extensions are in your house yet your server is in the museum (as do my OPXs).
Quote from: Adam on May 06, 2012, 10:20:19 AM
I absolutely can recommend an easier one, and you read my mind.
Ok, that does it. I just ordered two of them for $34.00 each on Ebay and coming from Quebec.
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on May 06, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
I just ordered two of them for $34.00 each on Ebay
That's a good price. I assume that's $34 plus shipping which brings it up to around the $45 to $50 area. That's about right, some sellers sell them that way, some sell them around $50.00 with free shipping.
You just plug them into your network, access them via a web browser from any computer on your network, put in the extension number and password for each port, and you're done! (There's lots of other options you can change, like dialed digits accepted, ringing options, but you don't have to do any of that to get running.)
Call me if you need help. That goes for anyone with questions about Grandstream ATA's, FreePBX and Asterisk, 1A2 key systems and Western Electric phones.
Remember, at Los Angeles Telephone, our motto is, "If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong!"
:)
If I hooked up to C*Net, and somebody tried to call me via C*Net, does it show up on the caller ID? I don't use the Xlink anymore, I have a POTS line.
Quote from: Adam on May 06, 2012, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: DavePEI on May 06, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
I just ordered two of them for $34.00 each on Ebay
That's a good price. I assume that's $34 plus shipping which brings it up to around the $45 to $50 area. That's about right, some sellers sell them that way, some sell them around $50.00 with free shipping.
You just plug them into your network, access them via a web browser from any computer on your network, put in the extension number and password for each port, and you're done! (There's lots of other options you can change, like dialed digits accepted, ringing options, but you don't have to do any of that to get running.)
Call me if you need help. That goes for anyone with questions about Grandstream ATA's, FreePBX and Asterisk, 1A2 key systems and Western Electric phones.
Remember, at Los Angeles Telephone, our motto is, "If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong!"
:)
Actually only $5 shipping, so $39 total for each...
Quick question, not about the Grandstream, but about dialing international numbers on C*NET. I tired to call John Mulrane in Ireland today whose number is listed in the directory and in my logs after a call he made here - is there a prefix which needs to be included before the number, e.g. 011, or 010 when dialing?
Dave
Quote from: Brinybay on May 06, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
If I hooked up to C*Net, and somebody tried to call me via C*Net, does it show up on the caller ID? I don't use the Xlink anymore, I have a POTS line.
Does on mine!
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on May 06, 2012, 12:44:02 PM
about dialing international numbers on C*NET. I tired to call John Mulrane in Ireland today whose number is listed in the directory and in my logs after a call he made here - is there a prefix which needs to be included before the number, e.g. 011, or 010 when dialing?
This depends on your outgoing C*NET route and the access code that is assigned to it.
You probably have 1 assigned as the C*NET access code, and the route is told to keep the 1 when dialing out the number. That will work for North American C*NET numbers, but not other country codes.
To do other C*NET country codes, you need an outgoing C*NET route just like the other one, but one that does not append 1 to the outgoing number. Your access code for this route could be 011, so, for example, to dial Ian Jolly's speaking clock, you'd dial (without the spaces)
011 44 352 8081
The 011 could be whatever access code is convenient for your system's numbering plan. The most important part is that this route strips off (does not pass) the route's access code (as your North American C*NET route 1 does).
Of course, I'm saying all this without seeing your set up at all...
In case anybody wants to test an international C*NET routing, although I am physically located in California, Ian Jolly arranged it so that I can have a UK C*NET number. Using your international C*NET routing, you can call me at:
44 51 236 1591
That's a Liverpool number, and historically that actual number was the original telephone number of the Cavern Club, the birthplace of the Beatles.
Quote from: Adam on May 06, 2012, 01:07:43 PM
To do other C*NET country codes, you need an outgoing C*NET route just like the other one, but one that does not append 1 to the outgoing number. Your access code for this route could be 011, so, for example, to dial Ian Jolly's speaking clock, you'd dial (without the spaces)
011 44 352 8081
Hi Adam:
Ok, that works. It is the 011 I need to add. No problem dialing Ian's time machine :-) Like that gal's accent!
Thanks!
Dave
Here's a question, if someone has a UK-type number, and wants to call another UK-type number, do they have to use the access codes, or is it just like dialling within one's own country as per regular phone lines? ???
Quote from: twocvbloke on May 06, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Here's a question, if someone has a UK-type number, and wants to call another UK-type number, do they have to use the access codes, or is it just like dialling within one's own country as per regular phone lines? ???
Well, I can't answer but it is a good question. Here, if we want to call another Canadian or US number have to use the Country Code (1), then the office code/number (651-0001).
To dial the UK or other international number, we have to preface the number and country code with 011.
Am I correct in assuming that there you would have to dial the country code and office code/number same as we do to call within North America?
Perhaps those who have been on C*NET longer than I will have the definitive answer :)
Dave
Yeah, we have to dial something similar to call an international number from the UK, for example, it would be 001 (or +1) followed by a US number to call someone over there in the states, so it would be 001 555 3226, according to BT at least... ???
http://tinyurl.com/6rkpdlm
Within the UK, you have to dial the area code, E.G. 01282 for Burnley (Lancashire) followed by the number 861234, but if you're in the same area, you just dial the number... :)
From a mobile phone you have to dial the whole lot, and they recommend entering the numbers as though they were being dialled from another country (e.g. +441282861234) to make it "easier" to use a phone abroad (I.E. make sure they can charge you international rates!!)... ???
Shouldn't that be 001 KLondike5-3226? ;D
Something like that... :D
Back to the original intent of this topic...
Sure like to see more of the regulars on CRPF also join C*NET.
It is so great just being able to pick up the phone and call a gentleman in Ireland and have a very long chat with him and to have it cost nothing.
Or to have people to call the museum or the phone at my desk in the other house from around the world.
In its simplest form, all you need is an ATA (such as the Grandstream which I love), and a telephone to plug into it, and of course a computer and good internet connection.
I don't recommend a Motorola VT1000 - It is very difficult to set up. Most of these were dedicated Vonage units, and need to be reconfigured and unlocked before using. I got a couple, and I finally had to give it to my own network administrator (literally my son who won the Skills Canada Network Administration category in Edmonton a month or so ago), and it took several weeks before he got it going with my Asterisk server (having to find configuration software, etc.).
Some ATAs, including the Grandstream will allow the use of a ROTARY phone. Imagine that! Wouldn't that be great to call other members using a real vintage phone! Others won't support rotary, but either way, you can have a great time, and you don't need a long distance plan.
Our Internet connection isn't the fastest available, yet the sound quality of a C*net call is excellent - even with the call coming from another continent.
You don't need an Asterisk server if all you want to do is make and receive the odd call. I have one because I intend to set up a number of systems including the Strowger demos in the museum. However if using an ATA to connect, it can be hosted on someone else's system within the system. More info on the main C*Net page:
https://www.ckts.info/
First step is to get an ATA (I bought the Grandstreams on eBay for about $30 each). Then you need to reserve an office code by following the instructions on the C*Net page.
The interesting thing, is you can have any office code available. If you are lucky as I was, you might even be able to get the same office code as your normal number. Resulting from that, my office number here is the same as my home phone number which is kind of neat. You can only call other C*net members, but I find that great, as I find those are the ones which would cost me a lot of $$$ to call in I weren't using C*net!
Anyway, sure would love to see more people using C*net! Something for people to look into!
Dave
Quote from: Adam on May 06, 2012, 12:08:32 AM
Unfortunately, you picked one of the hardest to configure ATAs that you could possibly find. They are configurable, however. I have two here myself that I bought for grins, and I did get one working once. Good news is, several of us here and on the C*NET list have made them work, so there's help here for you on this aspect, too.
Hi Adam:
Believe it or not, I have my Motorola working. I gave them to my son (the network administrator) with the proviso that if he were to get them working, he could keep one :-) He downloaded the configuration software, put it on our server, and got them both working. They are a pain in the butt, though! I sure prefer the Grandstreams! He is using the other Motorola with his home VOIP.
Dave
I am on C*Net and I have enjoyed it.
I am currently using a VT1000 (Former Vonage surplus unit), and it has trouble synching up sometimes. I am thinking of getting a Grandstream. I am one who wanted to do it the easy way, so I chose to have the ATA run off someone else's host. Works just fine. Basically plug and play.
Hoprfully the guy that currently provides me with the C*Net service can support a Grandstream when I get one. I have heard good things about the Grandstream ATA from my friend in So. Cal, Colin Chambers.
Quote from: Phonesrfun on June 19, 2012, 01:26:25 PM
I am on C*Net and I have enjoyed it.
Hopefully the guy that currently provides me with the C*Net service can support a Grandstream when I get one. I have heard good things about the Grandstream ATA from my friend in So. Cal, Colin Chambers.
I have three of the Grandsteam HT502s now and love them. The grandsteams all but the one I have set up in the house are being kept for future useage - you should have no problem setting them up on his server - in fact, it will be a lot easier than setting up the VT-1000.
As I get the Asterisk server filled up, I will be setting up the rest over in the museum.
I got mine from a Quebec vendor for $34.99 plus shipping:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221011411721
Dave
The guy who hosts my C*Net did all the set-up and sent it to me already set up. Therefore I did not have to do one iota of ATA set-up configuration.
I think that if we want to get more people onto C*Net, the process needs to be "dumbed-down" to the point where it is plug and play. I don't mind admitting that I wanted the simple version and did not want to wade through a bunch of configuration parameters in hexidecimal formatted numbers and idiotic mnemonics. :)
Quote from: Phonesrfun on June 19, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
The guy who hosts my C*Net did all the set-up and sent it to me already set up. Therefore I did not have to do one iota of ATA set-up configuration.
I think that if we want to get more people onto C*Net, the process needs to be "dumbed-down" to the point where it is plug and play. I don't mind admitting that I wanted the simple version and did not want to wade through a bunch of configuration parameters in hexidecimal formatted numbers and idiotic mnemonics. :)
That is why a while ago on the C*net list server, I suggested that they on tutorials on for various common ATA's - to simplify the set-up for those who aren't familiar with them. Mind you, those like the Grandstream are much easier to set up, but someone held my hand while I set my first one up. Once you have done it once, it is really easy.
Fortunately, thanks to the fellow who put it together, my asterisk server really was simple to set up - setting the permissions on the network firewall were a bit if a pain, but that wasn't a problem with the Asterisk machine. PBX in a Flash was used which does the installation of both asterisk and FreePBX and other needed modules, and beyond that, a quick phone call straightened out the rest of the problems. Kind of fun when you get past that. Still, the ATAs are easier to set up than using an asterisk server.
But one has to get to that point :)
Dave
I'm having to start from the beginning again, been 2 years almost since I tried the Linksys, seemed OK at the time but then we were on BT ADSL, and had occasional disconnects, now the CO line is on Virgin cable BB, so where to start?
I hope Mr. Jolly is still about to talk me through it all!
Ideally I would like get another 2 CO lines into the Pana 616 (CO2/3) to use on CNET.
Sunday, with the help of John Jones, we got the Cisco router working with the North American Strowger demo, and hopefully within a couple of days, it will be possible to dial into it using CNET. Right now, it is possible to connect to it using another phone connected to the router - we still need to connect the router and asterisk together to make it possible to call in. Soon, however, people on CNET will be able to call into the 75 year old switches which make up the demo unit, and to connect to the phones connected to it. When one calls it, it is possible to hear the switch stepping through the selector to the connector, and finally completing the call.
When the British Strowger demo is completed, it will also be possible to connect to it. Thanks to Chad Perkins who donated the router, and to my son Jeff who worked around a problem found after Chad was here, to John Jones and to Dean Clark for their help in setting it up!
I am currently on CNET with 1-651-0001 as the museum line - you will get a messaging machine when I am not there, and from my house next door from 1-651-2762 via a Grandstream ATA. When finished being set up, the line to the North American Strowger switch will be 1-651-3121 ir 651-3212 depending upon which phone you will be connecting to, You will hear the progress of the switching once you hit the 121 ir 212 numbers. I hope to have this fully operational within the next couple of days.
When the British Strowger demo is operational, I will announce its numbers.
I have just this morning run a permanent line to the demo switch - all that remains now is to get the server talking to the router.
http://www.islandregister.com/phones/new.html
Hi All:
Work progressed very well on the Cisco router and CNET installation yesterday. Chad Perkins and John Jones, and I spent a very long time on a CNET conference call while we worked to get Asterisk recognizing the router. It is now working, with the displays on the router, and is now accessible to the outside world. Thank you so much Chad and John. In addition, I would like to say a special thanks to Chad for donating the router.
We expect to do some fine tuning today - there are a couple of small problems, but they are relatively minor. We checked it out yesterday afternoon with several calls from John and Chad into the North American Strowger switch. It is nice to see it come alive from a call on VOIP.
The first four digits are handled by Asterisk, and the final three are passed to the demo to allow it to ring one of the phones on the unit.
One thing I was reminded of yesterday is that 6 years ago when I built the switch, I never did hook up the interruptor for the ringer - it really wasn't necessary then, as when it was being demonstrated in the museum, I could hang it up when the called phone was ringing by simply hanging up the butt set used to make the call. Now, on CNET, the caller needs to hear the ring interruption to follow the call progress. SO, last night, at long last, I finished that chore. Six years late, but better late than never!
Once we are completed our testing, I will publish the numbers of the two phones on the demo. The switch for safety reasons will only be left on when I am in the museum.
When the new British Strowger switch is completed, it, too will be added to the system, and it will have its own numbers.
Dave
this is all new to me on this subject, so be patient..... exactly how does this work? Phil McCarter suggested I look into this... I have a old WE 200 series KTU that will support up to 4 lines. I originally had Centurylink bring in 3 landlines to my location. I am now down to 1... the other 2 have been disconnected and the T/R leads have been "Parked" on a terminal strip. My KTU is all wired for all 4 lines and the jacks thoughout the house support the original 3 lines.. the 4th line is a spare not fully wired.... Phil mentioned some sort of VOIP interface to reactivate the 2nd and 3rd lines for free over Cnet.... how does this work?? whats it all about?? John
John
This will be a additional dialtone line to your Key system. The Main issue you will only be able to call other C Net numbers. The ATA (Analog telephone adapter) connects to your Internet, and you have 2 port's (lines) to connect to anything that you want. The ata that I'll send you will be able to accept touchtone or rotary dial. You can call between the to lines. This can be used for testing phones.
I'm seeing that there are a lot of different adapters out there... can they all be used on Cnet? or is there just one specific one you have to use...
Quote from: Babybearjs on February 19, 2014, 04:28:58 AM
I'm seeing that there are a lot of different adapters out there... can they all be used on Cnet? or is there just one specific one you have to use...
you'll want an adapter that says it supports SIP (session initiation protocol)
Whew! :o Having just read this thread from start to finish, I have some newbie questions:
Is the Grandstream HT502 still a perfectly acceptable entry-level ATA to get onto C*NET?
<EDIT> I have a no Panasonic 616 PBX now (yet), but am still searching around the web for an affordable, easily configurable way to join in the C*NET fun, and talk to my many collector friends in distant places...
I definitely need the pulse dial support, so am leaning toward this model.
Does anybody have / use /recommend the HT702 or 704 over the HT 502? I would be interested in hearing all sides of the coin.
I have a plenitude of routers, so the lack of one on the latter models is decidedly a non-issue.
Thanks, in advance!
Best regards!
I just signed up....
Quote from: Phonesrfun on June 19, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
The guy who hosts my C*Net did all the set-up and sent it to me already set up. Therefore I did not have to do one iota of ATA set-up configuration.
I think that if we want to get more people onto C*Net, the process needs to be "dumbed-down" to the point where it is plug and play. I don't mind admitting that I wanted the simple version and did not want to wade through a bunch of configuration parameters in hexidecimal formatted numbers and idiotic mnemonics. :)
Yes, it does. Especially if I can access C*Net by dialing into it directly w/o all that computer configuration, the main reason I do not want to mess with it. I have for sale a LinkSys Broadband Router RTP300 with 2 phone ports, unlocked. $10 plus shipping.
I'm going to get set up for C-Net. At this point in time I'll hold of connecting to one of my switchboards to see if I can get the following to work. The internet goes into the ATA which will connect to my Panasonic 616 to which I'll connect a rotary phone such as a WECO 302. Not very exotic but will that work?
I'm not sure about the switchboard, but you can plug it into your Panisonic unit. If you want to use it with a plain old 302, you will have to use it (c*net) as line 1.
Ben
Incoming CO line 1?
Although, I cannot remember, I think the only way to get to an outside line is by dialing 9. So, for example, I don't think you could dial 11 for line 3.
Ben
On a 616 you can override the outside line by dialing 8X instead of 9. 81 for CO line 1, 82 for CO line 2, etc. So you can have C-Net on any incoming line. When you dial 9 for the outside line the Panasonic will choose the first available non-busy trunk.
I now have a relievable hi speed internet connection so I'm going to connect to CNET. Which ATAs are compatible with rotary service. I know the Grandstream HT502 is, any others? Thanks.
The Motorola VT1005 that Shane Young provided me does just fine with rotary.
Quote from: Phonesrfun on December 29, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
The Motorola VT1005 that Shane Young provided me does just fine with rotary.
Thanks. I have a couple of that model I'm watching on eBay. I see that there is a VT1005V also. I assume that is for use with Vonage?
I think Phil McCarter had some Motorola VT1005V's not long ago.
Quote from: Phonesrfun on December 29, 2014, 07:30:29 PM
I think Phil McCarter had some Motorola VT1005V's not long ago.
Does the V indicate they are for use with Vonage?
I don't know. Phil McCarter would know he is on this forum as Weco355aman. Shane Young would also know but I don't think he posts here.
Quote from: gpo706 on July 18, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
Righty, found that "Linksys RTP300 BROADBAND Router VOIP 2 phone" on the bay same seller - refurbed.
So if I spend my last £20 on it, do I plug into my Pana 616 through a RJ11 to BT PSTN and thats my C-NET link on CO line 2?
I'm a bit intolerant when it comes to computer thingys.
I've also registered for C-NET so waiting for the email.
(I know how work email)!
Am I the only one who find post like this gibberish, is there anywhere that explains the acronyms used in this forum. it might as well be written in swahili, whats an ata i'm sure i know by some other name
Quote from: VintageTR on January 22, 2015, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: gpo706 on July 18, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
Righty, found that "Linksys RTP300 BROADBAND Router VOIP 2 phone" on the bay same seller - refurbed.
So if I spend my last £20 on it, do I plug into my Pana 616 through a RJ11 to BT PSTN and thats my C-NET link on CO line 2?
I'm a bit intolerant when it comes to computer thingys.
I've also registered for C-NET so waiting for the email.
(I know how work email)!
Am I the only one who find post like this gibberish, is there anywhere that explains the acronyms used in this forum. it might as well be written in swahili, whats an ata i'm sure i know by some other name
Welcome!
Well, you are right. You have to be selective in what you read when you are getting started.
You have to be a bit tolerant when it comes to computer thingys. :o
It may take some effort to filter things out a bit.
There are other posts on this forum and the World Wide Web that are more reader friendly.
PS: there are many posts on the forum that deal with analog telephone adapters (ATAs).
Example: http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=13368.msg139958#msg139958 disguised under another topic name.
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Am I the only one who find post like this gibberish, is there anywhere that explains the acronyms used in this forum. it might as well be written in swahili, whats an ata i'm sure i know by some other name
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Nakubaliana na hilo. Wewe kuleta up wasiwasi halali
VintageTR,
There is, indeed, a list of acronyms available here on this forum, thanks to Harry Smith.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11316.msg120925#msg120925 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11316.msg120925#msg120925)
I found it by searching the forum for "acronym list" ;)
I hope this helps, and by all means, please feel free to ask questions.
Best regards!
PS: Stop that, John Tom! You nearly made Guinness come out of my nostrils!!! ;D ;D
I am now on C-NET. My numbers are1-821-9905 and 1-821-9906. Those of you on C-NERT fell free to call me so I can make sure incoming call function.(at reasonable times). Right now I have a desktop payphone on one line and a modern TT phone on the other. The payphone receives calls but can't call out because it is only programed for 7 digit dialing. I plan to hook up both lines to my Panasonic 616 but I've run out of line cords. Eventually I'd like to hook up something "cool" to one of the lines, such as a recording or a live feed of some kind.
Quote from: Fabius on January 28, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
I am now on C-NET. My numbers are1-821-9905 and 1-821-9906. Those of you on C-NERT fell free to call me so I can make sure incoming call function.(at reasonable times). Right now I have a desktop payphone on one line and a modern TT phone on the other. The payphone receives calls but can't call out because it is only programed for 7 digit dialing. I plan to hook up both lines to my Panasonic 616 but I've run out of line cords. Eventually I'd like to hook up something "cool" to one of the lines, such as a recording or a live feed of some kind.
Just hung up from talking with Tom via C-NET. I dialed in manually since I'm not on C-NET, worked fine. I like that recording that says "C-NET gateway operated by the covert organization, dial country code and number" followed by an old-fashioned buzz-style dial tone. So if it's a "covert organization", by saying it's "covert", doesn't that blow their cover?
So if you're set up on C-NET, is the phone dedicated to C-NET for incoming calls? Wouldn't be much fun if C-NET incoming calls were lumped in with all the rest.
Just hung up from talking with Tom (Fabius) via C-NET. I dialed in manually since I'm not on C-NET, worked fine. I like that recording that says "C-NET gateway operated by the covert organization, dial country code and number" followed by an old-fashioned buzz-style dial tone. So if it's a "covert organization", by saying it's "covert", doesn't that blow their cover?
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The number to call to access C-NET from an outside telephone is:
(206) 203-6610
Thanks to Mr. Bones and the link he provided I now know what POTS is. I never knew what it stood for until today!
Quote from: Fabius on January 28, 2015, 03:48:38 PM
The number to call to access C-NET from an outside telephone is:
(206) 203-6610
That's one of them. Since that number is local for me, I dialed it, got the "covert" message, then dialed your number.
QuoteSo if it's a "covert organization", by saying it's "covert", doesn't that blow their cover?
Nah.
Perfect cover. Nobody would
ever believe that a real covert op would post anything so stupid on their voxmail, so it is immediately dismissed as a ruse. ;)
Hiding in plain sight is often the best strategy.
I hope to join you all soon on C*NET... gotta get an ATA here PDQ...
Best regards!
Well, it's time for me to get started.
So far:
I have built an Asterisk/FreePBX server on a Raspberry Pi (no cost to me, as I had them already, but new would have been about $35 for the Pi, $5 for the memory card, $5 for the power supply, and $10 for the case. Any SD card over 4GB will work (I had an 8GB, but are fairly cheap at the local MicroCenter), using an old cell phone charger for the power supply (but can often find 1A chargers on sale for $5), case can be as extravagant as desired, or very basic (or none at all). Software is downloaded from the web, did the configuration over two evenings and for ~$50 and a couple of hours, Ihave a PBX on my network
I just received the Grandstream HT702 ATA off of Amazon today, and have it connected to the Asterisk Server and am able to call the other extensions I have setup (2 softphones - free apps - and 2 landline phones). Note that the HT702 does NOT support rotary dialing, even though advertised on Amazon as supporting it (guess I should have double checked before purchasing). Regardless, it should easily work with my Panasonic KX-TA624 system (which does the Pulse to Touch Tone conversion).
Now I need to get connected to C*Net - have my block reserves, just not quite sure what to do next...
Jim
I went the easier route of getting an ATA that runs off someone else's server. If you have reserved a block, then you have undoubtedly been to the ckts.info website. I know the website can be pretty technical and not easy to follow. There is a listserv that has a lot of techies on it at voip@ckts.info
Other than that, there are several here on this forum that can give you some help, so you've done the right thing by posting a call for help.
Quote from: compubit on January 31, 2015, 04:42:16 PM
Well, it's time for me to get started.
So far:
I have built an Asterisk/FreePBX server on a Raspberry Pi (no cost to me, as I had them already, but new would have been about $35 for the Pi, $5 for the memory card, $5 for the power supply, and $10 for the case. Any SD card over 4GB will work (I had an 8GB, but are fairly cheap at the local MicroCenter), using an old cell phone charger for the power supply (but can often find 1A chargers on sale for $5), case can be as extravagant as desired, or very basic (or none at all). Software is downloaded from the web, did the configuration over two evenings and for ~$50 and a couple of hours, Ihave a PBX on my network
I just received the Grandstream HT702 ATA off of Amazon today, and have it connected to the Asterisk Server and am able to call the other extensions I have setup (2 softphones - free apps - and 2 landline phones). Note that the HT702 does NOT support rotary dialing, even though advertised on Amazon as supporting it (guess I should have double checked before purchasing). Regardless, it should easily work with my Panasonic KX-TA624 system (which does the Pulse to Touch Tone conversion).
Now I need to get connected to C*Net - have my block reserves, just not quite sure what to do next...
Jim
A Raspberry Pi is a perfectly adequate platform for a C*Net node, unless one really wants to connect hardware devices, such a T1 card to a channel bank, or directly connected analog ports.
None of the Grandstream ATA were ever advertised for supporting dial pulse. Not even the HT502, on which it does work. I haven't opened a 702 to see if it has the same SLIC as the 502, perhaps they found something cheaper for that model. Chipsets that support DP decoding are getting scarce, and while it could be done in software, that takes precious space in PROMS, which are being crammed with other "features". It's not a priority to support a feature that almost no one uses.
But there are still plenty of 502s out there, sometime batches of dozens of them show up on eBay, even hundreds. The HT502 also supports DP decoding after call setup, during a call, but only when the SIP INFO method is configured for digit signaling to the SIP server, Asterisk in this case. Asterisk automatically translates these messages into DTMF whenever they are sent.
I find C*NET to be really intriguing! I was already thinking of somehow setting up a PBX to connect my phones to a modern network, but I didn't come past C*NET until now! Basically I have some rack stuff (Dell PowerEdge 2650 server, HP ProCurve Network Switch and some emptied fiber switches that would fit about 4 to 6 Pis easily), and I plan on deploying multiple Pis for multiple purposes, an email server, a webserver, an low power FM transmitter for playing music on old radios, and an Asterisk PBX. I'd still use my Gigaset One (XLink) for one phone on my desk, as a personal phone line, and then the other phone for the PBX line. C*NET seems to be a good option! I'd like to ring up and be rung up by fellow collectors, maybe have a good chat about phones and other things. Definitely going to try it if I get the right gear. Probably will go for some cheap used Pis, instead of brand new ones (is cheaper and they function just as well). I saw a Grandstream HT-502 on Marktplaats for 35 euros, maybe I can try to haggle a bit. Those work with pulse dialing, right?
I do Network Administration at college, so this fits right in with it. I could document everything too, as my college allows us to present things we do ourselves if it is related to our studies. Add a good presentation and I should be able to score up some extra study points!
Daniël-
It sounds like you have a plan!
The HT-502'do work with dial pulse - just be sure the ATA isn't locked to a particular VoIP provider (such as the BasicTalk ATA, which is a Grandstream HT-701 with customized firmware - which can be overwritten provided it hasn't upgraded/communicated with the BasicTalk servers - the HT-701, though, doesn't support dial pulse).
Keep us informed on the connection - i haven't touched mine in a while - so I need to add that back onto the list...
Jim
Quote from: Daniël Oosterhuis on October 22, 2015, 08:01:54 AM
I find C*NET to be really intriguing!
I do Network Administration at college, so this fits right in with it. I could document everything too, as my college allows us to present things we do ourselves if it is related to our studies. Add a good presentation and I should be able to score up some extra study points!
Let us know when your system is on line. Feel free to give me a call on my C*NET number below. My C*NET serves is a central office line input to my Panasonic KX-T61610 PBX which in turn reaches the outside world by VOIP.
I am retired from Verizon (a major land line and cellular phone company) where I was a supervisor of network operations.
I realized I might not need to purchase a Raspberry Pi. During room clean up, I found a HP thin client I forgot about. It actually has a functional PCI slot in it, which I could use for one of those Asterisk phone cards. I would need a PCI extension cable (those ribbon ones), and need to attach it to the side panel of the thin client and run cables out of the case, but that would be a better option. It's pretty low power too. Is it known whether there are Asterisk PCI cards with pulse dial support?
I don't have a list, but there should be info out on the Internet about pulse support.
Regardless, you can still use a HT-502 with the thin-client host. The great thing about Asterisk is that it can readily use older or lower-powered hardware (unless you're looking to host an entire office of many phones). Plus It integrates with a wide range of hardware.
Jim
I am ready to start taking the C*NET plunge.
I got 2 HT-502's for $9.99 each, plus mild shipping. They arrived today.
I am in need of the following:
1 (or more) Elmers to help me through the config
Somebody to host 1 (or more) numbers, for now.
I plan on asterisk later, gotta start with baby steps, though.
Please let me know if you are able to help out a C*NET Newbie, in either regard.
Many thanks, in advance!
Best regards!
Boneman
It would appear to the patient, unaided eye that C*NET either no longer is operational, or no longer allows newer enthusiasts to join their ranks. So be it.
Off to pursue other interests...
Many thanks, and best regards!
Well, C-Net is still operating just the same as it has. There isn't much to actually "operate" in terms of a network, it is only the DNS name server that needs maintenance which translates the telephone numbering plan into the addresses for each node.
What have you done so far?
If you want to connect with just an ATA, then you need to find someone to provide a registrar node for it that is already registered. I don't think there is an official request channel for that mode of operation, you have to find someone willing to do so. It's not automated service. The best course of action is to subscribe to the VoIP mailing list as listed on the CNet web pages. And ask there for help.
I'm running a C*Net server here in the UK. Think of servers as exchanges (or central offices for those of you in the US). If you have an ATA, which you can basically think of as an adapter for your phone, you need to connect it to an exchange (server). I can host UK numbers for anyone interested. Just drop me a PM if you want to know more, just in case I don't notice replies on this thread.
One thing I use C*Net for is making free calls to family and friends. They all have a C*Net number each, either using a free app on a smart phone or an ordinary phone connected to an ATA. They can be anywhere in the world and calls to or from them are always free. handy if you've got relatives overseas or kids away at university etc.
Andy.
I would be willing to pitch in an Asterisk server for North American USA, Canada and Mexico Enthsiats.
I have servers in Arizona USA among others. I am in Mexico
I have been collecting antique phones since a a small child and have many years experience in VoIP and asterisk
Mark
Quote from: Mr. Bones on January 07, 2016, 11:43:49 PM
I am ready to start taking the C*NET plunge.
I got 2 HT-502's for $9.99 each, plus mild shipping. They arrived today.
I am in need of the following:
1 (or more) Elmers to help me through the config
Somebody to host 1 (or more) numbers, for now.
I plan on asterisk later, gotta start with baby steps, though.
Please let me know if you are able to help out a C*NET Newbie, in either regard.
Many thanks, in advance!
Best regards!
Boneman
Where did you get them at that price?
Quote from: markosjal on December 08, 2016, 10:02:46 PM
Where did you get them at that price?
From a seller on ePay, I'd have to go back and find the seller name, if you wish. Both NIB. 8)
Sorry for such a slow response, it's a very busy time of year.
Best regards!
I can offer C*Net hosting in the +1 777 3XXX Range. Contact me if interested.
This free offering also includes calls to SIPBroker codes as well. see http://sipbroker.com
Also if interested I can host your Google voice account for a small annual fee, meaning you get C*Net, SIPBroker, Google voice, and optional e911. With this "premium" option, I offer up to three extensions, each with their own C*Net direct number, from a Data Center Server in Phoenix Arizona. You can have one account at home , another at the office and another on your smartphone. All extensions will ring when Google Number rings or just one.
Mark
+1 777 319 C*Net
+1 503 489 7870 USA
Quote from: markosjal on August 15, 2017, 03:23:22 PM
I can offer C*Net hosting in the +1 777 3XXX Range. Contact me if interested.
This free offering also includes calls to SIPBroker codes as well. see http://sipbroker.com
Also if interested I can host your Google voice account for a small annual fee, meaning you get C*Net, SIPBroker, Google voice, and optional e911. With this "premium" option, I offer up to three extensions, each with their own C*Net direct number, from a Data Center Server in Phoenix Arizona. You can have one account at home , another at the office and another on your smartphone. All extensions will ring when Google Number rings or just one.
Mark
+1 777 319 C*Net
+1 503 489 7870 USA
How is the above different from the offer already posted in Classifieds?
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=18631.0
Is offering a paid C*NET service legal? here in the UK (if I've understood it right) any VOIP service provider must include a standard emergency service. C*NET does not have the emergency service connection of course, but is allowed to exist because it's a free service.
Of course, how much infulence our regulator OffCom might actually be able to lever over VOIP is not very clear, especially if the service originates from outside the country.
I was wondering what the legailities are of C*NET, not that I intend to start charging. I always host fellow collectors (which is what C*NET is for after all) totally free of charge.
Andy1702,
Let me clarify..... I do not charge a dime for the C*net accounts I host. If however someone wants it combined with Google Voice I can do that. What I would charge for in the case of combining with Google Voice is mostly 911 (emergency services) access, plus a small fee to offset server costs.
So what I am offering for a small fee is C*net , Google Voice, 911 and SIPBroker dialing all in one neat package. This is different than C*Net alone , and the 911 service does have a cost. It is not free.
Mark
Quote from: markosjal on October 11, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
Andy1702,
Let me clarify..... I do not charge a dime for the C*net accounts I host. If however someone wants it combined with Google Voice I can do that. What I would charge for in the case of combining with Google Voice is mostly 911 (emergency services) access, plus a small fee to offset server costs.
So what I am offering for a small fee is C*net , Google Voice, 911 and SIPBroker dialing all in one neat package. This is different than C*Net alone , and the 911 service does have a cost. It is not free.
Mark
The problem with that is (in the UK at least) all VOIP service providers who charge for connection MUST also provide emergency (911 / 999) connection. As C*net as a whole does not do this then no part of C*net can be charged for, otherwise we would fall foul of OfCom regulations. For this reason it is my understanding that C*net and other services should be kept seperate as far as a provider is concerned. However if the user wants an ATA with two lines and C*net on one with something like Google Voice provided seperately on the other that is up to them.
Quote from: andy1702 on October 21, 2017, 01:00:24 PM
The problem with that is (in the UK at least) all VOIP service providers who charge for connection MUST also provide emergency (911 / 999) connection. As C*net as a whole does not do this then no part of C*net can be charged for, otherwise we would fall foul of OfCom regulations. For this reason it is my understanding that C*net and other services should be kept seperate as far as a provider is concerned. However if the user wants an ATA with two lines and C*net on one with something like Google Voice provided seperately on the other that is up to them.
You see on a free service no 911 (even ask Google Voice about this) . If a person is in the USA I, MUST charge them to have 911 if they want it combined with Google Voice. Of course if a person is in say Mexico and wants Google Voice, there is no need for 911. Now the criticizers should realize that and stop hounding me.
I have not used, nor received any calls on my C*NET number the last year. The Callcentric solves most of my needs except emergency numbers in Norway. All calls to other +1 7777 numbers are free, to register such number are free. When you want to be able to call regular phones, they want you to pay, not extremely surprising, but not expensive, and I got a New York number. Since my wife want to keep our Norwegian number, we have a Norwegian SIP account to, including emergency numbers, this is totally separated from my other phones, (more expensive than Callcentric, locked ATA, and If I want to use my own ATA they will charge us an extra monthly fee of approx $3.5) So my wife uses the only regular touch tone phone i our house for that.
dsk
I joined Cnet back in the early 2000's and used it regularly ut a few years back it seemed to fade away My enum got messed up and I have yet to get back in Going to make it a priority soon !
Although I don't get many calls myself on C*net, I do get regular calls into my server to listen to various historic recordings that are hosted there. There's quite a lot to listen to and lots of people have recordings that are accessible 24/7. For those who don't already know, check out www.ckts.info (http://www.ckts.info) for the directory listings.
??? My ata was not working, so I did a hard boot on it. it cleared out all the info and now won't connect... I just need the gateway info to reconnect... whats the setup info I need to get this thing going again?
Quote from: Babybearjs on January 23, 2019, 04:20:34 PM
??? My ata was not working, so I did a hard boot on it. it cleared out all the info and now won't connect... I just need the gateway info to reconnect... whats the setup info I need to get this thing going again?
Are you still looking for ATA settings? Let me know what ATA it is and I'll see if I can help. I'm running a grandstream 502 here.
After years with C*NET and never got it working good enough I just desided to stop using it. It is not a bad Idea, but we are only a handful of collectors here in Norway, and it seems like non of those were interested in trying. For those of you who are interested in trying to call you may try the numbers pictured under. All of those should ring my phone.
dsk
PS Sipbroker numbers may be reached from a local phone number etc. http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/pstnNumbers;jsessionid=2E786B5797ABAD7B76F912192334579E (http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/pstnNumbers;jsessionid=2E786B5797ABAD7B76F912192334579E)
and:http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/login (http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/login)
DS
With my SxS switch at home, and a single line traveling with me, I make fairly good use of C*NET.
I reserved the 624 prefix early, but had to wait for a decent internet connection before I could really use it.
I have Verizon Wireless as my service provider, using a Novatel T1114 cellular base station with one voice line and three ethernet plugs, as well as Wifi. One ethernet port goes directly to the rack mounted computer that supports my C*NET, and the voice line is also run to Asterisk via the T1 channel bank that interfaces with the switch. The entire set up is powered by the 48vdc switch room batteries so it all runs with no interruption during power failures.
Calls via C*NET are sent directly to the line dialed, while calls on the PSTN are answered with a prompt to dial an extension number. If an extension is not dialed, the call goes to the intercept message at 624-5414.
Quote from: dsk on May 05, 2020, 08:45:39 AM
After years with C*NET and never got it working good enough I just desided to stop using it. It is not a bad Idea, but we are only a handful of collectors here in Norway, and it seems like non of those were interested in trying. For those of you who are interested in trying to call you may try the numbers pictured under. All of those should ring my phone.
dsk
PS Sipbroker numbers may be reached from a local phone number etc. http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/pstnNumbers;jsessionid=2E786B5797ABAD7B76F912192334579E (http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/pstnNumbers;jsessionid=2E786B5797ABAD7B76F912192334579E)
and:http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/login (http://www.sipbroker.com/sipbroker/action/login)
DS
I have been a little to quick in the conclusions, now with my 3CX on a Raspberry Pi the C*NET +1 999 3011 works again.
dsk
Found a Grandstream 802 for a good price on eBay. My PBX has 2 unused CO lines, so it seems like a good use for at least one of them.
Fingers crossed...