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Hi,

I have a Stromberg C. 1243W which I cannot find a diagram for. I found one for the 1243, but when I try to connect it up like it says, it just gives a humming sound. Could anyone please tell me how to hook up a line cord to one?

Thank you,
Ben

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=266&limit=20&order=hits&dir=DESC&Itemid=11


You have some détails about the wring for your phone. Just scroll down and you'll see what you looking for.. At least,, a similar model without " W " I don't know

Contempra,

I don't that that will work because that is for a mod. 1182.

Ben

Scroll down and you'll see 1243s. Line connects to L1 and L2.

Is this the same 1243 you had in July? That one was push-to-talk and you would hear "humming" on an idle line (or conversation, dialing or incoming ring on a busy line) until you press the bar labeled "Stromberg-Carlson." Or, an open transmitter will also do the same thing.

Poplar1,

I have no clue, I will look for that. This is a wall phone.

I see, and that is what the other said, but it just doesn't work when you connect it up.

Now that I think about it though, it is possible they both have the same issue. So it is probably that I need to push down, but I don't think I've heard the dial tone on either.

Ben

Isn't the 1243W a desk set that is capable of being wired for party-line monitoring via the Stromberg Carlson bar as popular1 has already stated?

http://www.telephonecollectors.org/pictures/?id=250811883

Even if it is not, the 1243 diagrams should be sufficient to guide you in connecting the line wires to the network terminals.

Quote from: WesternElectricBen on January 12, 2014, 07:18:19 PM
Contempra,

I don't that that will work because that is for a mod. 1182.

Ben

I see this and I dowloaded for my personal reading (( 1242, 1243, 1247, 1250, 1242 43 Tl  )) and in red this model is there and may help you !.. boff !... follow what Poplar said ...he has a better explanation...The next time i will let the other members ............................... :o

IF it is (optionally) wired for use with the two-step hookswitch then the humming sound is normal when you first come off-hook and the line is idle.

Contempra, my apologizes, you were right.

I think I see what you guys are saying, and I should double check it has a two stage h.s.

So, lets say I do have a 2 stage, would I then push down the bar when I'm dialing?

Ben

Quote from: Contempra on January 12, 2014, 07:58:26 PM

Quote from: WesternElectricBen on January 12, 2014, 07:18:19 PM
Contempra,

I don't that that will work because that is for a mod. 1182.

Ben

I see this and I dowloaded for my personal reading (( 1242, 1243, 1247, 1250, 1242 43 Tl  )) and in red this model is there and may help you !.. boff !... follow what Poplar said ...he has a better explanation...The next time i will let the other members ............................... :o

Gêne toi pas--you found it first.

Quote from: WesternElectricBen on January 12, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Contempra, my apologizes, you were right.

I think I see what you guys are saying, and I should double check it has a two stage h.s.

So, lets say I do have a 2 stage, would I then push down the bar when I'm dialing?

Ben

To call: You listen to make sure the line is free; then you push the bar to draw dial tone
To answer: You still have to push the bar.

I can find 16 wiring diagrams for the 1243-series in the TCI Library but obviously I missing something since I am unable to find and reference to them in contempra's link.

Here are the instructions for converting the 1243 to two-step operation:

Quote from: Contempra on January 12, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=266&limit=20&order=hits&dir=DESC&Itemid=11
You have some détails about the wring for your phone. Just scroll down and you'll see what you looking for.. At least,, a similar model without " W " I don't know

SC 1243 2-step hookswitch was discussed here:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=9832.0

Instructions for converting a standard phone to 2-step:

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_details/2048-1243-50text-tl

1. Blue lead of hook switch from 4 to 9
2. Green lead of handset from 6 to 4
3. Yellow lead of handset from 10 to 6

If dial is used:
1. Change red lead from 5 to 11

There is also a tab on the back side of the bar that has to be bent out in order to make the hook switch open only one set of contacts until the bar is pressed.

It appears there is more than one wiring method for 1243s.

The instructions that I provided were provided by Stromberg Carlson. If the others work as well then of course that is also fine.

However I am still trying to see what I missed in relation to the link provided by contempra. Did I miss the 1243 reference?

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 08:40:03 PM
I can find 16 wiring diagrams for the 1243-series in the TCI Library but obviously I missing something since I am unable to find and reference to them in contempra's link.

5th one down in Contempra's link (1242, 1243, 1247...)

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/component/docman/doc_details/2046-1242-1243-1247-1250-1242-43-tl?Itemid=11

Thanks, since a link to the specific page was not provided I ended up with the following document:

Stromberg Carlson Wiring Diagrams (Bookmarked) Ocr
Filesize:5.88 MB
Downloads:1391
6MB. S.C. Sets: 1155, 1182, 1201, 1211, 1212, 1222/1223, 896, D2834, D2844.
Desk Set Boxes: 1156, 1224, 1226.
Chime Boxes: 1217, 1218, 1220, 1218.
Handsets: 15, 16, 19, 20, 21.

But congratulations to contempra for the effort. It is nice to see our newer members take the initiative and search the library to resolve obvious questions.

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
Thanks, since a link to the specific page was not provided I ended up with the following document:

Stromberg Carlson Wiring Diagrams (Bookmarked) Ocr
Filesize:5.88 MB
Downloads:1391
6MB. S.C. Sets: 1155, 1182, 1201, 1211, 1212, 1222/1223, 896, D2834, D2844.
Desk Set Boxes: 1156, 1224, 1226.
Chime Boxes: 1217, 1218, 1220, 1218.
Handsets: 15, 16, 19, 20, 21.

But congratulations to contempra for the effort. It is nice to see our newer members take the initiative and search the library to resolve obvious questions.

But he did provide the link in Reply #2. It worked for me.

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 08:50:59 PM
The instructions that I provided were provided by Stromberg Carlson. If the others work as well then of course that is also fine.

However I am still trying to see what I missed in relation to the link provided by contempra. Did I miss the 1243 reference?

The instructions that I provided the link to are found on the back of the wiring diagram furnished with each 1243---i.e., *also* "provided by Stromberg-Carlson." Here is the link again:

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_details/2048-1243-50text-tl

Here is Denis's link from Reply #2

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=266&limit=20&order=hits&dir=DESC&Itemid=11

Scroll down to the 5th one, which is

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/component/docman/doc_details/2046-1242-1243-1247-1250-1242-43-tl?Itemid=11

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
Thanks, since a link to the specific page was not provided I ended up with the following document:

Stromberg Carlson Wiring Diagrams (Bookmarked) Ocr
Filesize:5.88 MB
Downloads:1391
6MB. S.C. Sets: 1155, 1182, 1201, 1211, 1212, 1222/1223, 896, D2834, D2844.
Desk Set Boxes: 1156, 1224, 1226.
Chime Boxes: 1217, 1218, 1220, 1218.
Handsets: 15, 16, 19, 20, 21.

But congratulations to contempra for the effort. It is nice to see our newer members take the initiative and search the library to resolve obvious questions.

I appreciate all of you helping me out, but.. When you say "obvious," it makes me think you are trying to say that I'm an idiot for not looking though TCI library, which I did. If you read the original posting in this thread, you can see I was having issues, thinking I had the incorrect diagram, but it was user error.

Ben

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 08:50:59 PM
The instructions that I provided were provided by Stromberg Carlson. If the others work as well then of course that is also fine.

However I am still trying to see what I missed in relation to the link provided by contempra. Did I miss the 1243 reference?

Probably not G-Man you didn't miss someting ;).. I just did a search on the model 1243 on TCILibrary and j, found at least 2 or 3 things in relation to this model.

Thank you Poplar for your nice comment  about my effort I appreciate and It makes me appreciate even more the phone and this forum ;) :)

I appreciate all of you helping me out, but.. When you say "obvious," it makes me think you are trying to say that I'm an idiot for not looking though TCI library, which I did. If you read the original posting in this thread, you can see I was having issues, thinking I had the incorrect diagram, but it was user error.
Ben
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I was attempting to encourage contempra and others for taking the initiative and nothing more.  It was an attempt to be gracious to one of our fellow members. I was also an attempt to help you in your quest for information regarding your project so thank you for YOUR courteous reply.

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 09:31:11 PM

I appreciate all of you helping me out, but.. When you say "obvious," it makes me think you are trying to say that I'm an idiot for not looking though TCI library, which I did. If you read the original posting in this thread, you can see I was having issues, thinking I had the incorrect diagram, but it was user error.
Ben

I was attempting to encourage contempra and others for taking the initiative and nothing more.  It was an attempt to be gracious to one of our fellow members. I was also an attempt to help you in your quest for information regarding your project so thank you for YOUR courteous reply.


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....Calm down, please.

Like I said, I really do appreciate you helping me.

Lets be friends, okay?

Ben 

No one has disputed that you provided correct instructions from a previous thread. I also provided instructions that came directly from a Stromberg Carlson document. No one is attempting to be argumentative, this is the wrong list for that sort of behavior; try the TCI list and a.p.b/s.k. instead.

Once more thank you for your contributions and those of contempra's as well.

Quote from: poplar1 on January 12, 2014, 09:14:49 PM

Quote from: G-Man on January 12, 2014, 08:50:59 PM
The instructions that I provided were provided by Stromberg Carlson. If the others work as well then of course that is also fine.

However I am still trying to see what I missed in relation to the link provided by contempra. Did I miss the 1243 reference?

The instructions that I provided the link to are found on the back of the wiring diagram furnished with each 1243---i.e., *also* "provided by Stromberg-Carlson." Here is the link again:

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_details/2048-1243-50text-tl

Here is Denis's link from Reply #2

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=266&limit=20&order=hits&dir=DESC&Itemid=11

Scroll down to the 5th one, which is

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/component/docman/doc_details/2046-1242-1243-1247-1250-1242-43-tl?Itemid=11

Quote from: WesternElectricBen on January 12, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
Poplar1,

I have no clue, I will look for that. This is a wall phone.

A wall phone?   The 1243 is a desk top set with a dial.  Perhaps someone switched the housing.  I recall seeing a set on eBay some time ago, that was a wall phone, but had the wrong base, or it was the other way around, I can't recall exactly.
Can you post pictures?

The wall phone should be the 1250, and the 1258 has a magneto built-in.

Quote from: unbeldi on January 12, 2014, 09:40:56 PM

Quote from: WesternElectricBen on January 12, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
Poplar1,

I have no clue, I will look for that. This is a wall phone.

A wall phone?   The 1243 is a desk top set with a dial.  Perhaps someone switched the housing.  I recall seeing a set on eBay some time ago, that was a wall phone, but had the wrong base, or it was the other way around, I can't recall exactly.
Can you post pictures?

The wall phone should be the 1250, and the 1258 has a magneto built-in.

That is possible, it is plastic and was given to me by a very old phone collector, who doesn't use the computer etc. I'l try to take a picture tomorrow, or sometime hopefully soon.

Ben

Quote from: unbeldi on January 12, 2014, 09:40:56 PM

Quote from: WesternElectricBen on January 12, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
Poplar1,

I have no clue, I will look for that. This is a wall phone.

A wall phone?   The 1243 is a desk top set with a dial.  Perhaps someone switched the housing.  I recall seeing a set on eBay some time ago, that was a wall phone, but had the wrong base, or it was the other way around, I can't recall exactly.
Can you post pictures?

The wall phone should be the 1250, and the 1258 has a magneto built-in.

You are right, it must be a 1250 case on the body that looks like this: http://tinyurl.com/l955s79

Ben

There are different wiring methods for 1243s. This may have to do with which network was used. Here's an old post about different 1243s:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=6350.msg75807#msg75807

A 1243 and 1250 base are basically the same, other than perhaps the presence of feet on the desk phone and a hole in the backplate for the station wire on the wall phone. However, since someone "married" a wall housing with a desk base on your phone, it's possible that that person (Humpty Dumpty) didn't get all the wires in the right place. 

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Okay, I tested it again, I got the hum when the PTT bar was not pressed down, when I pushed on the hookswitch it didn't hum , though I did not get a dial tone when I pushed on the bar.

Would it be that I have a dial issue or wiring issue? Or could it be that it is not wired with the PTT hookswitch?

Thanks,
Ben 

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