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Telephone Switching => Intercom & Interphone Systems => Topic started by: gpo706 on March 20, 2011, 07:39:30 AM

Title: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 20, 2011, 07:39:30 AM
Its a handset amplifier, I can only find nice bakelite examples on the net, this is a later plastic one, probably the last of the series before phones came with all the bells and whistles like speakers and hand free operation.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260750184772&autorefresh=true

Nice wee gadget to play with, though who knows what kind of handset its meant for, I guess a standard 700 series.

Will let you know when I connect a PP9 battery and it doesn't work!

Note also the Royal warrants on it, don't get me started on those frauds, they couldn't even find any reference to my Dictographs in their so-called "archives".
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: GG on March 20, 2011, 07:31:43 PM


These types of "telephone amplifiers" were very common through the 1970s, as an affordable alternative to the speakerphones of that era. 

The general principle is that it uses an induction coil next to the receiver to pick up the incoming signal and amplify it via an ordinary transistor amplifier to the loudspeaker.  The handset's transmitter is positioned into an acoustical cavity that attempts to gather up more audio from the person sitting at their desk.  With careful positioning of the main unit and the speaker, you can avoid the feedback from the speaker to the transmitter.  In a quiet room and with you speaking from a couple feet away from the unit, it can be viable as a speakerphone-substitute. 

These units were typically made in Japan and there are variations in the cradle design for different types of handsets depending on the country for which they were intended.  In some cases they don't quite fit.  For example the standard NTT handset from Japan is a bit "wider" than an American G-type handset, and the GPO handset is definitely "longer" than the G-type in the dimension between receiver and transmitter. 

There was also a Dutch version in bakelite, wherein the handset sat atop the unit on a cradle that caused the transmitter and receiver both to face forward toward the person speaking, rather than depending on an acoustical "scoop."  Placing the handset into the cradle depressed a plunger that turned on the unit, and helpfully turned it off when finished, so a forgetful user wouldn't run down their batteries. 
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 21, 2011, 07:57:36 AM
GG - I will have to get back to you when it arrives, I assume the "Royal warrants" applied would infer a UK item suitable for a 700 series handset.

If not I'll have to buy another bloody phone to fit it. LOL!

I reckon the silver knob at the RX end is the on/off button on this unit, when you place the handset on it.

PS those two things at the top end are they "induction coils" they look like the stuff you get when you slide off the diaphragm from a 300 series RX.
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: GG on March 21, 2011, 07:03:21 PM


Yes, that thing at the top with the two coils, is an induction coil pickup.  One more thing: it will pick up hum from nearby fluorescent lights and other things that emit AC hum. 

The on-off switch is probably built into the volume control similarly to a transistor radio. 

The "Royal warrants" may or may not indicate that the device was designed to be suitable for a 700 series handset.  Try various handsets until you find one that fist best in the cradle and produces the best audio in both directions, you never know which might work best.   
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 25, 2011, 07:57:09 PM
Came yesterday, didn't have time but to unpack it, weekend off so got to it tonight, it has an "old" style PP9 clip - ie larger than modern PP9 batteries, so off it came and wired through an electrical block terminal to a spare modern PP9 clip-on.

Next a test - held the loudspeaker to the induction coil and voila - audio feedback, so thems both working.

Howlback gets worse as you adjust the volume knob obviously, didn't put it max in case I blew the speaker.

Next I connected my newest bairn, the 8746 ivory to an extension lead to the other side of the room and tried a call, and it works fine, the design has the acoustic scoop for a 700 series handset so it has the lip of the TX resting on the bottom edge of the  scoop.

The volume resistor is a bit crackly when being adjusted at the lower end of the volume but I've found most old mechanical variable resistors are so affected after many a year.

The chrome bit at the top is the on/off button I suspected when you put the RX end of the handset on it.

There is an internal adjuster accessed through a hole below the volume knob, which I have no idea as yet as to what it does, I haven't tweaked with it as yet, I guess another variable resistor for the induction coils?

(DUHHHH - it's wired to the induction coils Scot)!

So works fine, if rather tinny, next I will remove it to another room so I can do a decent test without echo.

The original battery clips are taped into the cavernous battery cavern, so no harm done for a reconvertion to original and they won't get lost.

Anyone have a suggestion for the crackle on the volume resistor, air-spray or maybe a lubricant could make the contacts run better?

Oh yes and the Royal warrants are there, but rather scratched over the years, the left one is HRH the Queen, but right one I can't see the legend under it so will need to decifer the logo.

The superbly grand "FONADEK" logo's are encasuled in clear plastic and subsequently haven't suffered as much as the warrant transfers.

Later...







Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 25, 2011, 09:48:00 PM
Left logo HRH The Queen, right is HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, (Queen's hubby).

I shall email the delightful Pippa again...



Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 25, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Dear Pippa...

"Dear Ms. Dutton,

Can you confirm the warrants granted to the above company, probably late 30's to the late 60's?

I enclose two pictures of a loudspeaking unit for telephones which have both HRH The Queen's and HRH The Duke Of Edinburgh's warrants on them.

Also did you uncover anything more about Dictograph or Telephone Rentals (post 1967) since my last inquiry?

Thanks in advance,

Yours Sincerely,

Scot Fergie"

I await with anticipation...
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 28, 2011, 02:46:11 AM
I tried it upstairs on my phone desk - mains hum!

Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on March 28, 2011, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: gpo706 on March 28, 2011, 02:46:11 AM
I tried it upstairs on my phone desk - mains hum!



That's why it works on batteries. :D

It probably predates the widespread use of electronic dictation machines. Anyone senior enough to have a Phonodek probably had a shorthand secretary.
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 28, 2011, 07:30:58 AM
Dude, you telling me I have get a dictation secretary off the bay now?

More expensive than I thought this gadget.  :)
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on October 16, 2011, 11:26:30 PM
I just got another for the bakelite GPO 164 handset in your life...

This looks like a big heavy metal piece of kit, note the scoop for the 164 TX horn.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150672639718?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

"This is a 1950s or 1960s Fonadek telephone amplifier. These were used to convert a phone to a handsfree phone in the days before it was legal to connect your own equipment to the phone line. This one is one of the later transistorized versions. It runs on a 9v PP9 Battery (not included). The case is a little battered, and the switch which turns the unit on when the handset is placed on it, is missing. (The switch is a simple single pole make however, which could be replaced by any pushbutton switch)."

Note it only has the chook of Embra's warrant on it, obviously he was more gadget orientated than her Maj!
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on October 19, 2011, 08:52:10 PM
The seller enclosed a single pole switch with it for gratis, top seller.

However there is no aperture in the RX end for his switch, I have been puzzling over this and maybe reckon that the induction coil in the handset RX actually lifts the thin metal diaphragm in the top of the base end and releases the switch underneath?

What do other readers think?

Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on October 20, 2011, 03:24:15 AM
Quote from: gpo706 on October 16, 2011, 11:26:30 PM
Note it only has the chook of Embra's warrant on it, obviously he was more gadget orientated than her Maj!


I remember reading an article (can't remember where) saying the Duke of E. was rather disillusioned with the outdated set-up at Buck Hice when he married Mrs. Windsor.

As a Navy man he was used to telephoning when he wanted something, not sending for a footman to deliver a message several hours later.

Although the Royal Warrant refers to the Household and not the Royal person himself, I think it quite likely he would have used such an item.
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: GG on October 20, 2011, 05:03:49 AM


For those of us on the other side of the Atlantic: does the Royal Warrant signify that this specific Fonadek unit was used in the Royal households or offices, or does it signify that some other Fonadek of the same model, was used there, and the general make & model are approved and endorsed? 
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on October 20, 2011, 10:37:57 AM
Quote from: GG on October 20, 2011, 05:03:49 AM


For those of us on the other side of the Atlantic: does the Royal Warrant signify that this specific Fonadek unit was used in the Royal households or offices, or does it signify that some other Fonadek of the same model, was used there, and the general make & model are approved and endorsed? 

It signifies that something supplied by the Fonadek company was used in the royal household. It is not a specific or general product endorsement.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Symbols/Royalwarrants.aspx
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on October 20, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Here's another one which appears to have no Warrants. EBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/fonadek-vintage-handsfree-machine-/110761492725)

Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on October 25, 2011, 05:35:58 PM
And here's a Japanese "Easiphone" device with a similar function, although the acoustic 'scoop' is a different design:

EBAY (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Easiphone-Vintage-Telephone-Amplifier-BOXED-/220881192395)



Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on October 25, 2011, 08:38:01 PM
"Different scoops for different folks..." eh?

I'll get me coat...
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: GG on October 26, 2011, 04:48:10 AM


Owain, thanks for the info. 

There's another one on Ebay that comes with a brochure depicting its use with a Japanese #4 telephone (their approximate equivalent of a 302). 

The Easiphone was fairly common in the US, if I'm not mistaken these were also sold by Lafayette Radio. 

Probably one of the best designs since the acoustic scoop was simple and not obstructed by anything.  Though if one wanted to be hard core about that, designing a parabolic dish in which to hang the handset, would have produced the best audio of all:-)
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on March 13, 2012, 02:38:10 PM
Is this your worst enemy?

You need to keep down your blood-pressure as well as that mounting pile of outstanding work. Wasting precious time hanging on to that telephone. ...

then make a friend of Fonadek

Advert on Ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160762051002)
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: twocvbloke on March 14, 2012, 02:40:01 AM
The fella in that picture looks like Stephen Fry...  :D
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 14, 2012, 08:59:14 PM
I can imagine him having a GPO set in his flat/mansion, despite his gadget mania.  :)
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on March 24, 2012, 04:45:12 PM
Another fonadek advert on ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310389841626)
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 25, 2012, 06:51:54 AM
That's a great ad, looks like it has the speaker mounted inside the case, behind those groovy finned grilles.
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 25, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
You will now see I have finally got a data lead for my mobile, so can upload pics...
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: twocvbloke on March 25, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
That first one looks pretty well matched with that GPO 710... :)
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: gpo706 on March 26, 2012, 11:40:06 AM
Yeah, the greys are a pretty good match, I doubt Fonadeks were made in other colours, although you never know...
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on April 13, 2013, 07:01:57 AM
This one, in original box, is on offer for £75

EBAY (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Collectable-Fonadek-Telephone-Amplifier-/140954620892?pt=UK_Collectables_RadioTelevision_Telephony_SM&hash=item20d18cd3dc)

Interestingly, the list links to the London Gazette which may be the Royal Warrant(s) for the company:

1 January 1975 (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/46450/supplements/62/page.pdf)
1 January 1974 (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/46168/supplements/62/page.pdf)

Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Mr. Bones on April 13, 2013, 09:34:08 AM
     A very interesting piece of telephony history, thanks for the pictures and info.

    Apparently, the company did not survive into the 70's/80's, or Hyacinth Bucket would have had, with certainty, one for her tele. Royal Warrant, you know! (Were these ever available with hand-painted periwinkles?) :D

    By the way, these look highly reminiscent of the cradle modems we had in the latter '70's, at my high school, to communicate with the university's mainframes, and do important things, like play "Eliza Exec.) ;)

     Of course, ours were designed to accommodate a G-style handset. Iirc, they screamed along at somthing like 100-300 baud. We didn't even need binary: they sent small, pulsing smoke signals back and forth, over the copper pair. ;)

Have a great weekend, and my best regards!
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on September 08, 2013, 06:22:57 PM
For the Fonadekophiles there's another one on ebat

Ebay Link (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181213207661)

with quite a nice photo
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Matilo Telephones on January 30, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
Got myself a Fonadak too. Payed 3.20 GBP for it on Ebay! Could not believe I won that!

Just arrived and it works! I put a Dutch plug on in after confirming it ran on 220 V and not 110.

A previous owner put wooden blocks under it. But these can be removed easily. It is complete and undamaged. Some TLC and it will look like new.

Fascinating item. It has three vacuum tubes (that survived the trip from the UK), volume control button at the side. And a jack plug socket at the back. So I can hook it up to a recording device.

Not sure what the adjustment screw on the back is for.
Title: Re: "FONADEK" for the busy executive in your life...
Post by: Owain on April 09, 2021, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: Owain on October 20, 2011, 03:24:15 AM
I remember reading an article (can't remember where) saying the Duke of E. was rather disillusioned with the outdated set-up at Buck Hice when he married Mrs. Windsor.

As a Navy man he was used to telephoning when he wanted something, not sending for a footman to deliver a message several hours later.

Although the Royal Warrant refers to the Household and not the Royal person himself, I think it quite likely he would have used such an item.

There are further details of the late HRH's love of gadgets in this BBC article today, following his death at 99 years old:

QuoteBefore the Coronation, when Philip and the future Queen moved into Clarence House in 1949, he happily installed an array of labour-saving devices, including one in his wardrobe that would eject a suit at the push of a button.

At Buckingham Palace, Philip had intercoms put in so that servants no longer had to ferry written messages to his wife. He carried his own luggage, and cooked his own breakfast in his rooms with an electric frying pan - until the Queen objected to the smell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42651950

RIP HRH.