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Title: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
I have been collecting payphones for years and have wanted to be able to place them all at one place as one large display. I decided the best way was to build a building to house them all. Since I have property I had the space. The building has been built by the Amish I also had the building be off grid it is powered by solar cells. I have spent the last few months finishing the inside,i am now readdy to start mounting the phones. So here we go. This is the inside of the building.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 07:14:36 PM
All lighting is solar power, heat is propane and kerosene. I have spent a lot of time acquiring 148A backboards to mount the later telephones on. I also decided to mount strips of poplar attached to studs to support the weight and mange the amount of holes drilled.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 07:17:41 PM
A sign collection will also be added to this project as public telephone signs were where payphones were. Here you see the start of mounting the backboards.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 07:22:30 PM
Lots of things to think about and consider, I mounted the backboards then realized they were to close together and that there was no room for switch hooks and handsets. So I took them down and moved them over.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 07:31:30 PM
Now it was time to start to mount payphones, so what do I mount first, how do I categorize them,how to proceed? Sounds simple but it's not. You mount the backboards and strips, then what about phones with top signs? Did I build a big enough building? I am thinking I did not. So now I am mounting phones.
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Post by: Doug Rose on February 04, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
Its a good start Jim....I can't wait to see the finished room....Doug
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
Complete wall of 190 series payphones, I have discovered more since I finished this,but its a good start. Note the two 198G's at the end. Rare phones.
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Post by: Mr. Bones on February 04, 2016, 08:20:50 PM
Incredible display, Jim!!! 8)

Please, keep us updated as you progress. I am already stupefied... Looking forward to more!

Best regards!
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Post by: 19and41 on February 05, 2016, 02:51:21 PM
I hope the spacing is the limit of any problems.  Nice display so far
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:19:00 AM
The outside back of the cabin where the solar panels are located. This will also be the place where I put some outdoor phone booths at some point. I have already poured a slab and installed one.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
I have been collecting payphones since 1987 and have them stored all over the place, in sheds and in a barn. It has been a adventure digging them out and remembering what I have. I was a payphone installer and installed and removed a lot of payphones,they are heavey and moving them wears you out. but at this point I have it down to a art. here are pictures of the ones I have dug out.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
more phones
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Post by: unbeldi on February 06, 2016, 09:27:07 AM
Do you have a switch or channel bank or something to operate them too?
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
I do not, as a installer I spent years making them work which involved everything from climbing the pole and hanging the drop,doing slabs, to CO card replacement. I also worked on all types such as prepay,postpay, dial tone first, coin first, smart phones all the AT&T public payphone products and payphone controllers. Today I own a company called Combined Public Communications which is mostly corrections public phones. Some payphones still, but mostly jail phones in ten states. I don't really have that much desire to make them work at this point but at some time in the future that may change. I spend all day now making phones work and have for 38 years. But that said one of the reasons that I am mounting the phones on the strips of wood out from the wall is I can easily install wire if I wish to in the future.   
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
The phone on the left with the top sign is a 166G only one known to exist. I will show in dept pictures on some of these at a later date as this project progresses.
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:44:40 AM
There are 3 50A's in this picture and one 102.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 09:47:12 AM
I am off to work on this project today, more moving and mounting of phones I will post more pics later. Also added a few signs need to get that going.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 06:40:43 PM
I focused today on mounting all two piece W/E payphones. manuals and pre-pay.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 06:44:57 PM
I also mounted the 50A's and some rare handset models,like the 169G all the way on the right.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 06:51:25 PM
Stopped at the barn to look for top signs and thought i would take so picks of future projects.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 06:56:20 PM
Many years ago myself and two other collectors purchased a load of old payphones from the Germantown Phone Company in New York here are the leftovers from it.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
There was one crate we found that had over 250 two piece hooks.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:03:34 PM
Another shelf of parts,note the 191E backboard in the picture way to the right. I also found  177G parts up there today.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:06:29 PM
Very odd single slot W/E in this pic. Bronze front.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:08:47 PM
Pile of tops many with cast coin gauges. All from New York.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:22:57 PM
Can you spot what is special about this?
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:24:03 PM
more clues
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:25:29 PM
last clue
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Post by: Phonesrfun on February 06, 2016, 07:54:31 PM
Wow, that's an amazing collection.  Your building is one "giant phone booth"  :)

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Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on February 07, 2016, 12:43:55 AM
Great collection, and an even better building to house it in! I'm in love with some of those 'fixer-upper' pay stations you have in storage! :)
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: dsk on February 07, 2016, 04:01:55 AM
Wow,
This thread makes me understand a little more about how you now so much about payphones. This knowhow makes you understand better than "all" of us the development of the payphone systems used by different groups of telco's.  At the same time, it looks like e.g. Europe did go their own ways with pretty different thinking, when the still followed North America on regular phones. 
Here i Europe pulsating polarity reversals, superimposed signal in 12 or 16 kHz or even in in mains frequency (50 Hz) was used.
As far as I have understood non of these has been used in USA/Canada.


dsk
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Stan S on February 07, 2016, 09:56:08 AM
Quote from: Payphone installer on February 06, 2016, 07:22:57 PM
Can you spot what is special about this?

Figured I'd give someone else a chance at answering. Looks like that's not going to happen so I'll take a stab at it.
Those parts are from a Gray/Western 50A.  The bottom although hidden by very nice chrome plating is cast iron, as is the backboard.
If you look closely you can see what is left of the 'barber pole rivets' that held the brass Gray/ Western Electric plaque and the coin return escutcheon. The Gray/Western Electric plaque was mounted over the coin vault door.
Examples of the brass plaques can be seen on some of the complete 50As in the other pictures or the attachment to this post
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: CanadianGuy on February 07, 2016, 10:43:18 AM
I would've never guessed. But I know nothing about payphones. I can't imagine what your collection is worth! Great setup!
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: RotarDad on February 07, 2016, 09:14:27 PM
That is an impressive collection of payphones, and parts!!

50A - Also, on that cast vault/backboard, it looks like there are not any reinforced screw mount "bosses" on the back of the backboard.  Doesn't that mean that the backboard is a very early one?   My understanding is that the reinforcements were added over time to improve security.

169G - What is that?  The phone looks like a 181/191 externally.  I thought the 16X were all 2-piece coin collectors, so is that a very early production handset version prior to the 1940 181?
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Oletrapper on February 09, 2016, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: Payphone installer on February 04, 2016, 07:14:36 PM
All lighting is solar power, heat is propane and kerosene. I have spent a lot of time acquiring 148A backboards to mount the later telephones on. I also decided to mount strips of poplar attached to studs to support the weight and mange the amount of holes drilled.
Hi Jim, Top of the morning to you. The phone you guys got going for me is working like a champ. Your new building looks great. Your collection is awesome.

I noticed in your post above you stated that you were using kerosene for heat. A friendly word of advice if I may. Please don't use it. (1) They leave an oily/filmy residue on everything and is almost impossible to remove. (2) They are unpredictable when it comes to safety and fire.

I once had a tenant that used (2) for supplemental heat in a rental property. When they moved, I had to replace all the carpet, scrub the walls and ceilings, cabinets, etc. as best as possible and then paint with a product called Kilz before repainting everything.  Just my humble opinion. Thanks, OT 
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on February 16, 2016, 07:14:48 PM
Yep I was. Only using the kro until they up sized my propane tank. We are now on 100% propane. I had concerns with fire also.
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Kimball321 on February 21, 2016, 09:37:06 PM
Wow that is quite a collection of payphones that you have payphone installer.  Am I correct that you have even more then you posted here?  Would be neat to see the rest of your collection.
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 06:45:08 PM
Yes here is more I have been moving more from other locations
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 06:48:41 PM
added Strowgers
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 06:52:36 PM
Wall of Gray
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 06:58:07 PM
L brackets
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 07:06:16 PM
More single slots,plastic butttons black gromett handsets hard to find.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 07:07:53 PM
Manual set 1E1
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 07:09:17 PM
Rare Gray Paystation crate that old two-pice payphones shipped in.
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 07:10:21 PM
Large sign
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Post by: Payphone installer on February 25, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
more signs to hang
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Post by: 19and41 on February 25, 2016, 07:59:43 PM
That is certainly shaping up into a wonderful display!
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Post by: Mr. Bones on February 25, 2016, 08:48:45 PM
Beautiful work, Jim!

Even seeing this small slice of your collection boggles my mind!!! :o

Best regards!
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Post by: mentalstampede on February 26, 2016, 04:58:21 PM
"WOW" is the only word I can come up with. I knew you had an incredible collection, but it is even more impressive displayed like that!

Just beautiful.
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: rickthegeek on March 09, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
This is an awesome display!

Do you have a way to scan some of the instruction cards? We have a 1C1 at the Telephone Museum in Maine that is connected to a #3 crossbar in post-pay mode but it has the post-pay instruction cards. It would be cool to reproduce a pre-pay instruction card set to have it be "correct"...

-Rick
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Pourme on March 09, 2016, 02:50:08 PM
Hi, "new guy" here...

Just saw this thread for the 1st time today. After spending this week beaming because I just acquired my 1st pay phone I am floored at your considerable collection!

No wonder I don't find many old pay phones out in "the wild"....

You have them all!

Nice job of creating this huge phone booth display!

Benny
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on August 22, 2016, 08:15:39 PM
Been a while since I added anything here there has been progress but slow because of my business. here are the colored A/E's that just got added Thanks To Stan.
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Post by: Payphone installer on August 22, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
I finally also added all the really hard to find 160 series payphones with the steel hooks.
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Post by: Payphone installer on August 22, 2016, 08:19:36 PM
down below the 160 series I also added all the single slots 1A1 1C1 1E1 everything I could find.
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Post by: Payphone installer on August 22, 2016, 08:20:53 PM
More phone pics
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Post by: Payphone installer on August 22, 2016, 08:23:16 PM
more plus a really rare enclosure. if you look closely you can see where the l bracket was.
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Post by: 19and41 on August 22, 2016, 08:29:06 PM
Very impressive!
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Post by: Jim Stettler on August 22, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
I think I see a Field Trial 3A  from around 1983.

JMO,
Jim S.
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Payphone installer on August 22, 2016, 09:19:39 PM
Yes there are several 3A's with the light gray upper housing and some with the black upper I have been wanting to investagate what I have further just have not had the time yet.
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Post by: RotarDad on August 22, 2016, 10:21:29 PM
Jim - Your display is really looking great.  I really like that the collection is all "as removed from service" - there is a huge amount of history there.  Perhaps your building will someday become the "National Payphone Archive", a true resource.  No rattlecan repaints or hopper ringers here......
Title: Re: Payphone Display
Post by: Stan S on August 23, 2016, 12:23:22 AM
"Please deposit ten cents for the next 3 minutes."
IN EACH ONE!

Stan S.
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Post by: Kenton K on August 23, 2016, 01:13:52 AM
That sure is a heavy wall, hope its strong!

Ken
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Post by: Payphone installer on March 19, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
Moved the smaller collectors into the building just one problem where to put them!!LOL
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Post by: Payphone installer on March 19, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
See if you can spot the American Toll collectors. This picture very rare 23 with coin return and correct chute. C&P engraved in door.
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Post by: mentalstampede on March 19, 2017, 03:04:19 PM
Those are some really nifty phones.
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Post by: Payphone installer on July 04, 2017, 01:37:27 PM
Latest addition is to the porch.
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Post by: Payphone installer on July 04, 2017, 01:38:54 PM
I am running out of room inside hanging some stuff outside.
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Post by: 19and41 on July 04, 2017, 01:44:42 PM
Amazing!
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Post by: Russ Kirk on July 04, 2017, 03:39:10 PM
Very impressive.
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Post by: AL_as_needed on July 04, 2017, 04:24:11 PM
That's a lot of payphones and signs! Any more booths added outside?
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Post by: Doug Rose on July 04, 2017, 07:43:53 PM
Jim....that is breath taking......what a fabulous home for your Payphones and signs......Tremendous!!....Doug
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Post by: ..... on July 04, 2017, 09:03:24 PM
Love it, very impressive.
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Post by: Fabius on July 04, 2017, 09:41:48 PM
Incredible display! Jim, you may have already posted the information but what's the last name?
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Post by: tallrick on December 18, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
Unbelievable! I would have thought you needed a concrete and steel building for all of those phones! It's been decades since I have even seen a 3 slot payphone and over 40 years since I saw one used. If it was me I would set up a few channel banks and connect to an Asterisk server so some of them can get dial tone. I had also set up a controller to work with Western Electric single slot phones which would recognize the coin tones based on some code I got from the internet.
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Post by: AE_Collector on December 19, 2017, 12:51:17 AM
Hard to beat that collection of AE's in my mind. But, I might be a little biased!

Nice that AE made them available in every colour that AE made the other phones of that era available in.

Fantastic Display!

Terry
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Post by: Payphone installer on December 19, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
Trivia question which color is the rarest?
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Post by: RotarDad on December 19, 2017, 10:45:21 PM
Jim - On the color rarity of the AE 3-slots, I'll guess the gray....  I'm thinking not much different than beige so maybe not a lot of demand.  I really like the red one too.

I see a reference to Stan above that picture.  In the Ron Knappen Payphone book, it references that Stan S. has the entire set of colors - are these from his collection?
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Post by: AE_Collector on December 19, 2017, 11:27:52 PM
But in most cases colours weren't chosen to fit in or match decor, most were just a default color for inside or outside so Beige was quite common. Thus gray could have been at least somewhat common. AE SAU's (Secretarial Answering Units) were Gray early on and then seemed to go to Beige.

So....colours like yellow, turquoise, pink, Light blue and possibly gray probably didn't show up very often. I'm going with Pink as the hardest to find. Well, unless your looking on eBay where Beige phones are quite often listed as being Pink!

Even once AE converted to building 120A and B Single Slot payphones they were available in black, chrome and Beige.

Terry
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Post by: Stan S on December 19, 2017, 11:40:45 PM
Unquestionably the hardest colored Automatic Electric 3-slot to find was Gray.
Ivory was next. Pink wasn't that difficult. There were plenty in beauty parlors.

There was a picture floating around on the Internet for years of my colored 3-slot payphone collection that was entitled
'Every Color Except Gray'.

Stan S.
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Post by: AE_Collector on December 20, 2017, 12:15:42 AM
Makes sense except for why Ivory would be so hard to find. Like AE 880 Speakerphones, they were primarily an office phone so not all colours were made. But why they made white, beige, black, green & turquoise but NO Ivorymade little sense to me. All those out there that look like ivory are really white. And I would have thought that red would have had some takers for boardrooms or exec offices but....didn't make one yet they made them in green and turquoise!

Terry
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Post by: Sigmaz on January 06, 2018, 05:58:54 PM
Jim, your collection is mind blowing.
I would love to one day see it in person.

It's an amazing display built by an equally amazing talent.

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Post by: Payphone installer on January 07, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Many of the A/E are hard to get but Gray is the hardest. I have also found that W/E sets are hard  to get in colors or chrome once you get below the 200 series. Like 190's or 180's.
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Post by: Sigmaz on January 07, 2018, 08:16:34 PM
Hah.. I had to fix an error due to auto complete.
It said your collection "isn't mind-blowing".

All better now.
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Post by: MaximRecoil on September 06, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
I like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/h6LL8i3.jpg)

Did you build that or did a factory? It looks a lot like those old Western Electric wooden indoor phone booths, aside from the pyramid roof.
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Post by: ..... on September 06, 2018, 07:23:02 PM
I would say factory as I have one the same style.

Mine is from the 1940's
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Post by: MaximRecoil on September 06, 2018, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: Duffy on September 06, 2018, 07:23:02 PM
I would say factory as I have one the same style.

Mine is from the 1940's

That's awesome. Do you know what company made it? Is the frame made of wood or metal, and what's the roof made out of?
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Post by: ..... on September 06, 2018, 07:49:25 PM
Quote from: MaximRecoil on September 06, 2018, 07:36:32 PM
That's awesome. Do you know what company made it? Is the frame made of wood or metal, and what's the roof made out of?


This should answer your question.
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Post by: Key2871 on September 06, 2018, 08:43:47 PM
We'll, you've been busy Jim, for many years.
I think you're going to need an addition.
And for fire, theft I'd go with a security and fire system.
I'd hate to see the same thing happen to you your set up, that happened to John la'rue. That would be tragic.
Nice, impressive collection and display.
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Post by: Payphone installer on September 07, 2018, 09:30:42 AM
Tornado worries me the most. I have large German Shepherds. 8)
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Post by: Key2871 on September 07, 2018, 11:04:39 AM
Oh yea, your in that part of the country...
And those dogs make a good security system, cheaper too
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Post by: Protel8000 on September 07, 2018, 12:40:21 PM
Wow - really nice collection! Would be awesome to have an entire building dedicated to a collection like that.
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Post by: FABphones on September 08, 2018, 04:39:51 AM
I missed this thread until it was bumped again.

A lot of hard work and dedication there payphone installer. An admirable collection.  :) Very impressive.

For additional security I'm a big fan of decent CCTV cameras and equipment (one of my other obsessions). Our place is smothered in them - even the bird boxes have got cameras!  ;D