Western Electric 1D2 Pay Phone Home Wiring

[MacGnG]

Hello all, I just got a new in box Western Electric 1D2 Pay Phone.

Spent about 45 minutes trying to figure out how to put the lock on the top. What a PITA! But anyway...

Now all I need to do is wire it. But I'm not sure how to do that. I checked out some of the manuals online but I couldn't really figure them out. So I took a picture of the internals. Hopefully this is all I need to hook it up.

The Labels are as follows from top to bottom: L1, 42, YEL, BLK

I stripped a phone cable that I had laying around. It only had two wires but I wasn't sure which ones to hook up to the phone. Also I'm guessing I should put terminal ends on the wires for easy hook up instead of just using bare wire.

Any help would be very appreciated!!!

THANKS!!!

[DavePEI]

The Labels are as follows from top to bottom: L1, 42, YEL, BLK

Connect your line to L1 and L2 on the upper connector. Don't touch the lower one.

The phone isn't actually a 1D2 - the board in it is Elcotel. For more information, you will need the Elcotel docs for the board.

Dave

[MacGnG]

Yeah I was wondering about that. The box says 1D2 for Bell Atlantic. Name on the box is Ecotel. and the Board says Ecotel but it looks like the Western Electric. Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure.

Okay i guess i'll hit up my dad's garage and see if he has some wire and terminal ends. might have to hit up radio shack.

If anyone has tips for hooking this up, or the manual that would be great.

[DavePEI]

Yeah I was wondering about that. The box says 1D2 for Bell Atlantic. Name on the box is Ecotel. and the Board says Ecotel but it looks like the Western Electric. Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure.

Okay i guess i'll hit up my dad's garage and see if he has some wire and terminal ends. might have to hit up radio shack.

If anyone has tips for hooking this up, or the manual that would be great.

Check that board also to see if it had a modular jack somewhere. All the later Elcotels had the modular jack on the board. I am not well versed on the Elcotels, as I have stuck to legacy payphones, but hopefully someone can help more.

Dave

[MacGnG]

Ive determined that it is a 32 Chassis Western board:



I found some phone parts laying around to hook it up to a line, but I just need a cord now. I just cut the only cord I had last night to use the bare wires But the project must continue...

[MacGnG]

I figured it out from this site: http://www.porticus.org/bell/telephones-payphones-modern.html , It connects to the RING and TIP terminals. I was looking at the wrong set of terminals.

One more question though.. The volume is really low even when i hit the volume control button. Any way to make it louder? Is there some kind of amp for the phone line? Thanks.

[DavePEI]

I figured it out from this site: http://www.porticus.org/bell/telephones-payphones-modern.html , It connects to the RING and TIP terminals. I was looking at the wrong set of terminals.

One more question though.. The volume is really low even when i hit the volume control button. Any way to make it louder? Is there some kind of amp for the phone line? Thanks.

Now, you've got me really confused. The photos you have shown of the board - is definitely an Elcotel. Then you show the link to the Porticus site which shows an original 1D2 board (32B). Note: It doesn't have a shield over the board at all. Then you show a photo of a 32C. So which is it?

Now, the reason we didn't question it, is it is quite common to see a 1D2 updated with an Elcotel microprocessor board - they haul out the original board, and stick in an Elcotel board designed for the phone during refurbishing, and voila, they have a microprocessor controlled phone.

In order for us to help you, we need to see a photo taken of your actual phone, not of one you see on the internet. This is because these phones are often much modified from original internally during refurbishment, and the connections to various compatible boards very greatly.

Yes, line always goes to LI, L2 (ring and tip) terminals if it doesn't have a modular connector built in (in which case it still goes to ring and tip, but you just don't see the connections since they are hidden inside the connector).

Volume problem could be a number of different things depending on what board you have. Number one; you don't mention what volume you are talking about, i.e volume in the receiver, or volume of speech sent to the person you are talking to... It may be as simple as your having a bad transmitter or receiver in the handset.

Note: This is a 1D2 as it should look if all original...

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=6710.0

Also check out this thread regarding initial rate setting and its effect on volume:

http://tinyurl.com/cpl3mgx

Dave

[MacGnG]

So sorry for the confusion, this is all new to me. Here is a picture of the internals. The volume in the hand set is really low. I will check out that thread and see if it helps, thanks.

The internals are all new so I just assumed they were all like this. Guess I have a newer model or something.

If you can see in the picture I hooked up a modular jack to the ring and tip connections so I can just run a regular phone like into it. So far it works.


Thanks again.

[DavePEI]

The internals are all new so I just assumed they were all like this. Guess I have a newer model or something.

It is either not new and a refurb, or a newly made phone using the same case as a 1D2, but with an Elcotel board. The 1D2s haven't been made for many years now, and I have my doubts that you would still be able to find a NEW 1D2. The last NEW 1D2 rolled off the production line close to 20 years ago unless I am very wrong.  

It seems that what was referred to as a Western Electric Chassis 32C isn't really made by Western Electric - it looks more like a board made to replace the WE original board by Elcotel (hence the Elcotel branding on it). It is also old enough that I can't  find any substantial information on it. Hopefully, though, the board is completely compatible with the original WE board.

Now, I should warn you that likely when used on a non-coin line, any coins inserted into the phone will likely simply pile up in the hopper, since there is no coin collect pulse sent out by the C.O. I would suspect that merely tying the coin relay in the operated position using a nylon wire tie will allow the coins to drop right down. When you tie it down, you can flip the internal vane to go to either the coin return or to the coin box, whichever is your preference. You can give it a try - I don't have a similar phone here to try it out with.

Many microprocessor based phones have since been made using Quadrum and 1D style cases, however since, but these are all assembled from later non WE boards and Elcotel or Protel boards.

Is this a microprocessor board, ie. do you have a voice prompt asking you to insert coins?

Dave

[MacGnG]

There is no voice prompt.

[DavePEI]

There is no voice prompt.

Ok, then it isn't a microprocessor board, and you aren't going to have to worry about programming. It somewhat confirms my suspicions about the board I mentioned above.

So, that should make things simpler for you. Try setting the rate for a quarter and see if that makes the volume come up.

If that works, try rotating the vane inside the coin relay, then tie it in the operated position so coins fall through, rather than collecting in the escrow portion of the chute. As there is no coin collect pulse on a non-pay line, they would gather and eventually jam the phone. Tying it in the operate position will allow them to drop all the way through to either the coin return or coin box.

See my instructions on  doing this on my Centurion page:

http://www.islandregister.com/phones/centurion.html

Although yours isn't a Centurion, the procedure should be just about the same. Look it up under the Diverting Coins to the Coin Return section.

If that works, then mount it, button it up, and consider it done

Dave

[MacGnG]

Thanks!!! I got it working. It's all set up now, just need a longer telephone cord and I'll be golden Thanks for all your help. I'm going to order this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271108556664 a pre made cord with terminal ends and add a coupler to the outside of the phone for an extension. I have the backboard so I can mount it once I have a place for it. Now I just need to run a line to the basement and I'm set for my Man Cave

[DavePEI]

Now I just need to run a line to the basement and I'm set for my Man Cave

I am so glad to hear that! That is great!

Was the other site correct about changing the rate increasing the audio?

Hopefully this thread can help someone else out with their project in the future!

Dave

[MacGnG]

No the volume is still low. but I haven't tried plugging it into another outlet. I have another phone plugged into this same outlet. There is a wire going into the RING terminal, maybe i'll unhook that and see if it changes the volume.

[G-Man]

Elcotel bought out ATT Technologies' (Western Electric) payphone line and continued to manufacture WECo clones including the 32-series boards for ILECs or were optionally mated with smart boards for COCOT operators so these phones were still being made in recent times.

For all intents and purposes, it appears this phone is a Western Electric design with Elcotel branding.

Last I heard, Elcotel was absorbed by Quortech who may still be manufacturing these instruments.