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Western Electric Pay Phones / Re: Wiring 233G to subset
Last post by MMikeJBenN27 - December 05, 2022, 04:09:41 AM
Please, don't remove any of the relays!  Enjoy your find!

Western Electric Pay Phones / Re: Gray-Western 174G PayStati...
Last post by MMikeJBenN27 - December 05, 2022, 04:05:03 AM
It probably is 1929, updated in the early 50s, as post war payphones had that pivoting coin return bucket and didn't say "Grey Pay Station".  You have a prized item!  Please, don't "upgrade" it or throw any of the internals away!

Western Electric Pay Phones / Re: Western El. 177G payphone ...
Last post by MMikeJBenN27 - December 05, 2022, 04:00:05 AM
Wow!  What a find!  You lucky guy.  Don't change ANYTHING.  Keep this stock, as payphones, especially as old as this is, are getting pretty rare.  You have a true historical piece.  There are guys on this forum who have keys for the coin vault door.  Enjoy it!


Western Electric Pay Phones / Re: Western El. 177G payphone ...
Last post by gk - December 05, 2022, 01:29:45 AM
Quote from: Key2871 on October 18, 2018, 04:59:12 PMHonestly I didn't notice that it had the wrong handset, I was drawn to the "instruction card", really makes me wonder why it had CO terms on it, as opposed to how to use the payphone.

Likely was used in the Fleetwood (FLWD) Pennsylvania central office for testing.  Fleetwood is about six miles (driving) southwest of Kutztown PA, and Reading PA is about 12 miles southwest of Fleetwood PA.  The WH4 NXX is assigned to the ILEC in the Fleetwood area (now called Verizon PA) and the OV3 NXX is assigned to the ILEC in Kutztown (also Verizon PA). 
Dial Repair & Lubrication / Re: Dial Maintenance and Repai...
Last post by TelePlay - December 04, 2022, 10:35:53 PM
Quote from: Contempra on December 04, 2022, 10:22:15 PMFor me, the most complicated dials to repair and adjust are the Automatic Electric dials. (AE).


Once I realized taking the contact leaves pile up off an AE dial was the first thing to do, the rest of the dial was much easier to take apart, clean and reassemble. The main spring is right there in the open, the governor parts fully removable and carefully watching how the dialing ratchet parts under the finger wheel interact makes putting the mainspring back in quite simple.

I can do an AE dial in half the time it takes to clean and lube a WE dial, probably due to how WE hides their mainspring in a tunnel held together with a nut on the mainspring gear which requires extra attention when interfacing it with the gear train, and setting the proper gear mesh distances.

As for adjusting dial speed, WE dials are easier.
Dial Repair & Lubrication / Re: Dial Maintenance and Repai...
Last post by Contempra - December 04, 2022, 10:22:15 PM
For me, the most complicated dials to repair and adjust are the Automatic Electric dials. (AE).
Boxes are becoming rare. In any case, in Quebec I have never seen any that were sold with a telephone except in the past when the device belonged to Belle Canada. The only box I have is an original box that contains a caramel colored Contempra and is touch-tone. All my 8 other Contempra do not have their box. But it is practical to have them. it also avoids dust when you want to store them (phones)
Telephone Troubleshooting and Repair / Re: WE 5H Dial Click
Last post by TelePlay - December 04, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: TelePlay on December 04, 2022, 01:24:22 PMThere are only two springs in most WE dials, . . .

The #2 and #4 dials had a set screw adjustable arm inside the governor used to set the dial speed. As such, those dials only had 1 spring, the main spring.

The AE worm gear governor shaft, used by AE and other manufacturers, had 2 flat spring leaves attached to the worm gear shaft and each flat spring leaf had a brake pad at the end of the leaf (inside the governor raceway). The dial speed was adjusted by slightly bending these flat spring leaves in or out to increase or decrease (respectively) the dial speed, its PPS.

Bending the flat leaves required a faster rotation for the pads to contact the governor raceway and that would increase the PPS.

Bending the flat leaves outward, away from the worm shaft, would result in  the pads contacting the governor raceway at lower revolutions and that would decrease the dial's PPS.

Worm drive governor dials only have one spring, the mainspring.

Dials are simple complex mechanical instruments designed by engineers decades ago in such a way that employees hired off the street could put all of those little parts and pieces together to make a working dial.

As with all old stuff, they were made with the capability of being disassembled for restoration or repair, a time much different that today's toss and replace stuff.
Thanks all for the suggestions.  I will try offering on eBay those that appear to be high value, and for those that I am keeping, fold them flat for storage.

Dial Repair & Lubrication / Dial Maintenance and Repair. B...
Last post by FABphones - December 04, 2022, 07:31:27 PM
To anyone contemplating their first dial repair, the teleplay guides (there are several, link below or use the 'search' facility at top of page), are a great introduction. As nice as it is to be able to send a dial away for repair, some of us don't have that luxury, or prefer to learn to do it ourselves.

For us, the detailed info guides by teleplay are great tutorials for many reasons. Those of us who want to learn how to correctly clean, adjust, dismantle, rebuild or perform any other form of dial maintenance or testing, can do so with confidence knowing that every step of the process has been documented and photographed by teleplay meticulously. And not just one dial, many types of dial.

With regard to workspace, whether working on dials (or a complete telephone), a vast area isn't required. Just a clear area set aside, tools as per the guides - and for dials an ice tray - a great teleplay tip for keeping everything in order when removing components.

One thing I learnt early on (and not just when working on dials) is keep the item being worked on over the work surface. That way should any part fall it hasn't got far to go and can more easily be found. With this in mind I also have several coverings for the worksurface. Towelling is good as it offers protection, 'grip', and helps prevent small parts rolling away. I also have a thicker padded cushion which is about 30"x30" and 1" deep. This is great for arm comfort too.

Magnifying glasses I have several of - wouldn't be without them - I have even been known to place one above another; especially useful when taking close up photographs. Some also have LED lighting.

It's a great feeling when that first dial is cautiously taken apart and successfully put back together again. Study the guides, study the dial. You can do it! :)

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