"The phone is a remarkably complex, simple device, and very rarely ever needs repairs, once you fix them." - Dan/Panther
Started by Ryan Foster, March 30, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: Ryan Foster on March 30, 2017, 11:24:02 PMThe wife and I were looking for old phones at an antique shop in Oklahoma and she spotted this on the bottom shelf.
Quote from: TelePlay on March 31, 2017, 05:04:59 AMFirst, welcome to the forum and second, how much did you pay for it?
Quote from: mentalstampede on March 31, 2017, 12:49:41 AMThat's a nice first 302. Interesting to see an E1 handset and a #4 dial on a phone with that late a date.
Quote from: unbeldi on March 31, 2017, 11:20:51 AMThe set was most likely refurbished in the post-war period. Demand was extremely high those years and sets were often reequipped with older parts. Note that the 4H dial has the new contact arrangement of the 5H already. However, it is interesting that the contacts are still the single-point type, not twin-forked yet.
Quote from: poplar1 on March 31, 2017, 06:47:32 PMRyan, can you verify whether or not the far right screw terminal on the dial has been restamped from "W" to "R", with the R being an ink stamp? If so, then this dial was originally a 2A-type which was converted to a 4H. The 2A-type dial was used on desk stands (candlesticks), wall sets, and pay phones, but did not have enough contact springs to be used with phones with handsets. So the contact spring assembly had to be removed, as well as the externally mounted finger stop.The only "twin contacts" (bifurcated) on updated 4H dials, or 2A>4H conversions, were the BB-W receiver contacts.I need to look for more examples, but it appears that this dial was converted in late 1940 or in 1941:2A>4H conversions '39 -- '40: 2A>4H conversions with the same contact spring assembly as original 4H dials, with the W terminal next to the governor. (No twin contacts.)late '40 -- '49: 2A>4H conversions with twin BB and W contact springs, with the W terminal located to the left of Y late '40 -- '41 -- straight W contact spring '42 -- '49 -- 2 offsets in W contact spring
Quote from: unbeldi on April 01, 2017, 09:25:02 AMThe dial was a No. 2 dial and was converted. Since the dial adapter is still from tan-colored rubber, the dial was likely installed before 1942 or so. Many new sets starting in 1941 already had black rubber buffers. I am assuming that the set, made only in 12/40, was perhaps originally a manual set without a dial originally. The telephone company installed the dial when it was needed. If it had a dial already, it would probably not have required service yet.Next item to check are the dates on the brass cord sleeves. That will tell the likely installation period of that handset.
Quote from: Ryan Foster on April 01, 2017, 06:01:07 PMThanks for the information! The rubber gasket was a hard mass that was difficult to remove. What are the "brass cord sleeves"?
Quote from: unbeldi on April 01, 2017, 06:49:40 PMThe brass sleeves show punched the cord type, e.g. H3C or H3AA, cord length (4–0), quarter of manufacture (IV) and year (on either side of the seam).