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Telephone Talk => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: Signguy on November 03, 2011, 10:58:29 AM

Title: 500 color rarity
Post by: Signguy on November 03, 2011, 10:58:29 AM
Being new to this I was wondering what the hardest colors to find are in the WE500 sets?    Cheers... Ell
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 03, 2011, 01:03:36 PM
Welcome to the Forum.

Without a doubt, the toughest WE 500 set "color" to find is Transparent (color code -29)

Dave
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Signguy on November 03, 2011, 02:02:44 PM
Thanks....
I worked for the phone company for 38 years (construction), retiring in 1991, and never knew such a phone existed.

I guess I have a long way to go with only 2 phones. Both those were ones we had in the house forty years ago. Since I could get them for free I guess I should have gotten one of every color. LOL

Whats next on the list?

Cheers.....Ell
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 03, 2011, 02:14:30 PM
Well, in my opinion, the four next rarest colors would be Oxford Gray, Mahogany, Mediterranean Blue, and Rose Beige, in that descending order.  These colors were only produced for about 4 years in the mid 1950s.  I'm sure others will chime in with their opinions, so let's see what they say.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 03, 2011, 02:19:38 PM

....I guess I have a long way to go with only 2 phones....

By the way, don't feel too dejected.  Remember the old Chinese proverb: "Journey of 1000 miles starts with a single step".  As most of the collectors on this Forum will tell you, once you get the collecting fever it's all downhill from there!  Keep your eyes open, and pretty soon you won't be able to move or turn around without bumping into all the phones you will have accumulated!

DF
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Signguy on November 03, 2011, 05:58:35 PM
Dave

We have had the collector bug for almost 50 years but since everything else is so hard for us to find we thought a "lighthearted" stab at a few colored dial sets would give us something else to look for. I can see that we could nerver approach the expertise or the collections of you folks.
 
I have collected pre 1939 porcelain telephone signs and advertising for over 40 years. We also collect Roseville pottery, celluloid advertising mirrors, colored glass kitched items of the 20's and 30's, high end juice reamers, animal figural ashtrays (even though we don't smoke), Gutmann & Doench hand colored prints (pre 1925), oak furniture, Brish pottery frogs and turtles,  glass animal figural powder jars, glass insulators, tin over cardboard beer signs, high school yearbooks from the mid 1950's with very graphic covers only, costume jewelry, colored glass lamps (old), fly fishing equipment (newer), etc etc.

We like to display our collectables in an orderly fashion but now lack of room is our "enemy".

Thanks again. I really appreciate the feedback.

Cheers..... Ell
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: AE_Collector on November 03, 2011, 08:30:19 PM
Thanks....
I worked for the phone company for 38 years
Since I could get them for free I guess I should have gotten one of every color. LOL

Join the club! And while on the topic, there is nothing more difficult to do than pay MONEY for a phone that you could have had for free years ago but didn't bother.

Welcome to the Rotary Forum.

Terry
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Signguy on November 03, 2011, 10:19:52 PM
Terry.... Thanks for the welcome.

Cheers..... Ell

PS... By the way Ell is short for Ellsworth which only my mother called me.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Willytx on November 04, 2011, 02:10:06 AM
I have a beautiful Mediterranean Blue 500. Every piece of the phone is painted except the dial plate and coiled cord. The phone is a total mutt, The handset was tan and marked AT&T, a black receiver cap, red transmitter cap and beige shell. No two parts are even in the same year. Whoever did the paint job was a master.

At least it looks nice sitting on my desk.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: jsowers on November 04, 2011, 09:39:05 AM
Ell, welcome to the Forum and it sounds like you and your wife have lots and lots of collections to keep you busy. In addition to phones and phone memorabilia, I collect old radios and TVs, stereo equipment, old computers, old German glass Christmas ornaments and Blue Ridge pottery, among other things.

The color of phone that's the rarest is the color you need to complete your collection! Just when you want something to show up, that's when it won't. I've been looking for a mahogany brown soft plastic 554 for longer than Vern's been looking for an ivory 1554.

Willytx, I also have a mutt, and it's an OLD mutt, judging by the number card. I call it an early refurb. It's painted aqua blue, but inside it's mahogany brown and pink. See the pictures below, which I've posted before, but it was a while back. It's all soft plastic. I haven't removed the paint.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 04, 2011, 12:34:06 PM
.....I've been looking for a mahogany brown soft plastic 554 for longer than Vern's been looking for an ivory 1554.....

Me too! I've been searching for a mahogany 554 for at least 30 years.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: GG on November 04, 2011, 01:35:25 PM


PMG Australia type 801 in black is also somewhat scarce, as is AE 80 in dark gray, and GPO 741 wall sets in red. 

Really rare: Any AE Monophone in Lilac (light violet) from 1A to 34, and I don't know if they made 40s in that color.   AE 2-line Monophones in Lilac: Ray's rescued ones may be the only surviving examples.  GPO 164 and 232 in Mahogany: only a few around as far as I know. 

 
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: kleenax on November 04, 2011, 10:38:37 PM
.....I've been looking for a mahogany brown soft plastic 554 for longer than Vern's been looking for an ivory 1554.....

Me too! I've been searching for a mahogany 554 for at least 30 years.

I actually saw a 2-line 500 in Mahogany at the last Abilene, KS show.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 04, 2011, 10:44:36 PM

I actually saw a 2-line 500 in Mahogany at the last Abilene, KS show.


Ray,

I've never seen a two-line (510) set in Mahogany, but I do have this rare Mahogany 544B Keyset.

Dave
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: GG on November 05, 2011, 07:02:42 AM


Nice!  I think of those 4-button sets as two CO lines plus a dial-selector intercom on line 3, or more likely, three CO lines and you have a separate "squawk box" on your desk for intercom.  Was the last line key convertible to momentary contact?  That would have provided the option of a 1-line set with hold, an intercom talking path on line 2, and using the last button to code-buzz the other intercom stations.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: ESalter on November 05, 2011, 11:34:07 AM
I'd just like to say every single time I see the photo of that mahogany 544 I turn green with envy.  That is a NICE phone.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 05, 2011, 02:27:30 PM


Nice!  I think of those 4-button sets as two CO lines plus a dial-selector intercom on line 3, or more likely, three CO lines and you have a separate "squawk box" on your desk for intercom.  Was the last line key convertible to momentary contact?  That would have provided the option of a 1-line set with hold, an intercom talking path on line 2, and using the last button to code-buzz the other intercom stations.

It would be quite a task to dig it out of storage and look inside but, according to BSP 502-525-200, Issue 3, March, 1965, the last button on the right is convertible to signaling (momentary contact) by removing the P-12A892 screw from the 588B key assy.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 05, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
I'd just like to say every single time I see the photo of that mahogany 544 I turn green with envy.  That is a NICE phone.
Thank you.  This one's a gem, and I really enjoy having it.  All colored 544s are rare  and this might be the toughest of them all, unless they were available in Oxford Gray.  In that case, I would have to yield the crown to any lucky collector who managed to land one of those.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: teka-bb on November 05, 2011, 05:09:42 PM
PMG Australia type 801 in black is also somewhat scarce, as is AE 80 in dark gray, and GPO 741 wall sets in red. 

Really rare: Any AE Monophone in Lilac (light violet) from 1A to 34, and I don't know if they made 40s in that color.   AE 2-line Monophones in Lilac: Ray's rescued ones may be the only surviving examples.  GPO 164 and 232 in Mahogany: only a few around as far as I know. 

A Dutch T65 in black is also quite rare or a blue one in good condition because they fade easily.
The black T65 wasn't popular because costumers would rather pay for a nice colored phone after being limited to just black for all those years, apart from a little ivory.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: GG on November 05, 2011, 08:27:51 PM


Hi Remco - I ran into Gary at the show; looks like I might be meeting up with he & you also in January.   

Yes, PTT T65 in black.  And GPO 746 in black also (I have one).  When 706 came out, black was the predominant color, but then 2-tone gray caught on like crazy and became the main office color, carrying over to the 746s.  Apparently 746 in its "export version" was eventually made in a serious rainbow of something like 16 colors, from the list on the side of a box I have for one.   

BTW, PTT T65 had a counterpart in the form of a Krone set with a slightly different design of the external housing.  All the internals appear to be pretty much the same.  I have two of those, ivory and red, basically NOS.  Might be interested in trading at least one for a T65.   
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: teka-bb on November 06, 2011, 11:10:22 AM

Hello G,

Do you maybe have a picture of the Krone set?

Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: GG on November 06, 2011, 12:24:34 PM


Hi Remco-  First I have to dig them out of storage.  (Anyone up for building a new wing on the museum in Stockton?:-)  There's an ivory one and a red one, the latter with ivory accents.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: teka-bb on November 06, 2011, 12:26:30 PM

Does it look like this one:

(http://www.telefoonmuseum.com/images/equipment/010_Telefoontoestellen/feap61.jpg)
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: GG on November 06, 2011, 01:14:12 PM


Hi Remco -

Your photo is a DBP FeTAp 611, and I also have a bunch of those including one in orange like that one, and including a 2-line version. 

The Krone T-65-ish phones I have, have a narrower hookswitch plunger than the 611 (and it's in clear plastic), and an interesting design difference in the housing whereby there is a vertical indentation going down from in front of the cradle to about the level of the semi-circular indentations for the transmitter & receiver are located, and then curving forward in a horizontal line toward the front of the phone.   The handset is not a standard T-65 handset but is more like a DBP-611 handset but a little flatter on top.  From the rear the phone looks almost identical to a T-65 but from the front it is definitely a different external design.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: kleenax on November 09, 2011, 04:53:22 PM

I actually saw a 2-line 500 in Mahogany at the last Abilene, KS show.


Ray,

I've never seen a two-line (510) set in Mahogany, but I do have this rare Mahogany 544B Keyset.

Dave


NICE phone Dave!  Here's a photo of the 2-line Mahogany 500/510.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dennis Markham on November 09, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
Member John S posted a couple of Mahogany sets a while back.  Here are the links:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1133.0

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=935.0
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: GG on November 10, 2011, 07:40:38 AM


The difference between that and ITT, SC, and AE "brown" reminds me of:
ITT, SC, and AE "brown" = "milk chocolate," and WE mahogany = "dark chocolate." 
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 10, 2011, 12:13:06 PM

I actually saw a 2-line 500 in Mahogany at the last Abilene, KS show.


Ray,

I've never seen a two-line (510) set in Mahogany, but I do have this rare Mahogany 544B Keyset.

Dave


NICE phone Dave!  Here's a photo of the 2-line Mahogany 500/510.
Ray,

With the exception of that mangled handset cord (which would probably take forever to replace), that is a really neat phone.  It obviously was interesting enough to warrent taking a picture.  The price doesn't seem out of line for such a rare item.  If I had been there, I definitely would have been seriously tempted.

Dave
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Dave F on November 10, 2011, 12:23:40 PM
Member John S posted a couple of Mahogany sets a while back.  Here are the links:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1133.0

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=935.0

Thanks, Dennis.  Now I'll have to add a 5-line Mahogany keyset to my wish-list!

Dave
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: oldphon on November 12, 2011, 09:41:08 PM
Believe it or not, I have seen more 544's in Mohogany Brown than any other set in that color.  That is still not many!

I wonder if there was some large customer that liked that color!

Haven't been on the forum in months, but had a few spare minutes between projects around the house today....
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: AE_Collector on November 12, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
Hi Jeremy.

You are correct, we haven't seen you here for quite awhile. DId you get to the SJ show this year?

Hope all is going well (even if between projects around the house).

Terry
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: paul-f on November 13, 2011, 01:03:58 AM
Believe it or not, I have seen more 544's in Mohogany Brown than any other set in that color.  That is still not many!

I wonder if there was some large customer that liked that color!

Very likely, Jeremy.  It's clear that mahogany brown was continued for keysets only for several years after it had been discontinued for other sets.  See the color brochure scans that were included in the Singing Wires Bonus Pages in the May 2009 issue.  Here's one from 1960.
Title: Re: 500 color rarity
Post by: Doug Rose on November 14, 2011, 08:36:15 AM

Charcoal Gey 500 set went for $325 on eBay and needed a handset cord replaced...Doug


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