Hi , I have an AE wall telephone on ebay right now and I am not sure of the model number. It has a metal case with a spitcup receiver. Any help with this would be appreciated. I hope the link below works. Thanks!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/332065609617
?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Hmm...
Could you collect all part numbers that are available from the components as complete as possible?
Also, the diagram may have a faded imprint of a catalog number in the upper right corner. A complete high-res view of it would be helpful.
Most telsets by AE with this housing were for use on private PABX systems, not for use on the public network, I think there was only one in the 1940s, no 44 perhaps ?, but that would have had a number 41 handset, not the No. 38 that you have.
Here is a picture of the upper left corner. The upper right where the ringer frequency is it has a very faded number that I think is 324A7. On the back of the dial is 821c and other numbers are covered by the housing.
AE made a series of PAX systems that had numbers of the format 3XAXX, such as 32A14.
Perhaps you can recognize the number better. Sometimes it helps to take a high-resolution color picture and use digital filtering to enhance the image to bring out almost unreadable lettering.
Likely an AE 42 but I knew them to come with type 41 handsets not older type 38. Could be correct or maybe the older handset was added later.
Looking again the cradle isn't right for a type 41 handset either.
Terry
Terry,
Cradle is for a 32A14 , and the induction coil ( 281901 A ) shows up in the 4055 catalog , 1934 , in the #3 , #4 , #4a, #7 , and in the AE 4055 A catalog , 1937 , pg. 41 , said it also came in the AE 21 as the anti-sidetone booster induction coil .The 38 handset has the updated kit for the 41 transmitter , mouthpiece , and conversion springs . The dial looks like the 51 or 51 A , but the 821 C was also used in the 183's . So I guess this is a AE 21 with the wrong updated handset and dial and hook . It's still a great phone !!!!! stub
Quote from: stub on December 18, 2016, 02:42:11 AM
Cradle is for a 32A14
Also used for Monophone upgrades to AE 21 wall phone and probably AST subsets.
Jack
Thanks for all the info, I guess I have a few "hybrids". The guys estate that they were selling his phones at had quite a few phones. I am a dumb ass, I should have bought them all. They said he did work for a phone company so maybe he mixed and matched different parts and models. The metal phone on the bottom right has a hole for a transmitter like an AE21 but has a receiver like the one pictured above.
It isn't critical to me that it has all the correct parts, I just don't want to give anyone some misinformation.
Wow...Buy 'em all....!
Those phones on the table are the ones I bought, plus I bought a few more I have already sold. They must have had 35 phones there, I bought 19, some as cheap as $2, ranging up to $27.
Quote from: stub on December 18, 2016, 02:42:11 AM
So I guess this is a AE 21 with the wrong updated handset and dial and hook . It's still a great phone !!!!! stub
"Type-21" a more 'accepted' description for "Type 32A14 Handset Wall Telephone" ?
(cat #'s seem to vary - AC-13 )
Thanks
--Bruce
PS: Are holes -vs- vents at the bottom a hallmark? I'd always just looked at the cradle.
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Edit:
Catalog # from 4033 July 1939
bob833 ,
Not hybrids , just updated !! ;D Man you got some DEALS there !!!!!!!! stub
Quote from: Slal on December 18, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
"Type-21" a more 'accepted' description for "Type 32A14 Handset Wall Telephone" ?
I don't think so. A Type 32A14 is one of a group of phones designed for PAX operation.
Jack
Quote from: bob833 on December 18, 2016, 08:00:17 AM
The metal phone on the bottom right has a hole for a transmitter like an AE21 but has a receiver like the one pictured above.
That one looks like a Monophone upgrade of a Type 21 wall phone. It is missing the cover for the old transmitter holes.
Nice haul by the way.
Jack
Quote from: Jack Ryan on December 18, 2016, 10:45:25 PM
I don't think so. A Type 32A14 is one of a group of phones designed for PAX operation.
Jack
OK so I'm confused. Two years looking for a 'Type 44' style wall phone so I can put a spare 32A14 HS on it. Bob's looks to have 'correct' cradle/hook switch & possibly dial.
And to be fair, I would think PAX phones would be less common than single types and might help his auction.
So... I hope this doesn't seem like hijacking, but can't resist. ; )
1.) Why was the PAX type ruled out so quickly? I could find no documentation for a Type 21 wall phone with just a center opening for the dial; the conversion kit has same/similar looking cradle, but still two openings in front. A variant with XMTR in center & dial on a special adapter on bottom can be ruled out since no hole there in Bob's photo.
Edit: I learned from very supportive members here, to look at coil, hookswitch, and diagram. Not as easy as "it looks like the one in the picture" :)
Thanks guys!
2.) What evidence supports a 51 dial versus a 24A36 as illustrated in bulletin 528 - June 1, 1949? Seller photos: die-cast, so evidence for 51. My mistake.
Doc 528 is in error, or 'die-cast' 24A36 for a year or so? :o
3.) Anyone know if coil 281901-A was used in PAX wall phone units of this type?
Quote from: bob833 on December 18, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Those phones on the table are the ones I bought, plus I bought a few more I have already sold. They must have had 35 phones there, I bought 19, some as cheap as $2, ranging up to $27.
Congrads! 27 bucks for a jukebox style? Any of them model 35? Hah ! You should nominate these for phone of the month! : )
Best
--Bruce
Of the four phones pictured, it looks most like the Type 32A14.
Hi Bruce, yes, the one jukebox phone is an AE35 also in the bunch is an AE34. The AE35 works good but the 34 has very low volume on the receiver. I don't think it is the receiver because I put that receiver on a working phone and it worked fine. I will have to put a post in the tech section to try to find out what is going on with the AE34.
Quote from: andre_janew on December 19, 2016, 12:29:49 PM
Of the four phones pictured, it looks most like the Type 32A14.
That's what I was thinking, but guys like Umbeldi, Jack, Terry, and Ken have decades more experience than I do. (I just have a few catalogs...)
Shame about the dial.
Can't find anything that hasn't already been mentioned about the coil either.
Anyone have a 32A14 wall type?
Quote from: bob833 on December 19, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
Hi Bruce, yes, the one jukebox phone is an AE35 also in the bunch is an AE34. The AE35 works good but the 34 has very low volume on the receiver. I don't think it is the receiver because I put that receiver on a working phone and it worked fine. I will have to put a post in the tech section to try to find out what is going on with the AE34.
Like I say, nice haul! Wish I lived in AE territory, but San Antonio was SW Bell I think.
If you list it, be interesting to see how much that AE-35 goes for. Plenty of type 50 jukebox ones out there, but (when I do check eBay which isn't often) don't see very many 35's.
Nice Christmas for you eh? : )
--Bruce
it always important to look up things in the TCI Library.... when I run into model issues, I always look thing up before asking..... its also important to keep PDF copies of stuff from the TCI Library.... I try to keep as much info on all the makes as I can. that way, you can get the answer faster.
Quote from: Slal on December 19, 2016, 10:51:25 AM
2.) What evidence supports a 51 dial versus a 24A36 as illustrated in bulletin 528 - June 1, 1949?
Seller photos: die-cast, so evidence for 51. My mistake.
Doc 528 is in error, or 'die-cast' 24A36 for a year or so? :o
Good observation, Bruce.
I agree that the pictures in Bulletin 528 are most likely wrong. The pictures, Fig.2 and probably Fig.3, show a No. 51 dial, IMHO, not a 26A36. They do not match the cross-section drawings later in the manual. See Fig.12. The 24A36 dial still had the separate contact assembly plate (D-730176-A) by which all contacts could be lifted off the dial in one unit. This is clearly shown in Fig.12 in cross-section, while absent in Fig 2.
How could such a mistake happen in what appears like a pretty substantial product manual ?
Why would they produce a new manual for a product that had been around since 1936, the 24A36, knowing that the new dial is about to debut?
The only explanation, I can think of is that this perhaps was intended to be the new manual for the No. 51 dial. AE's model numbers usually were dated a year or two ahead of actual release time.
It appears that the initial version of the 51 dial had its case anodized black, while later versions did not.
There is more evidence that this bulletin is wrong and that the AE catalog writers themselves were confused about their equipment.
In 1950 AE published a replacement parts pamphlet, and it shows and lists the spring assembly bracket D-730176-A as a separate part for the 24A36 dial. The document does not mention the No. 51 dial. But it does show an inconsistency by showing mounting studs on case, while also showing the bracket on the same page.
The 1957 Catalog TA-57 shows diagrams for the 51A dial. This version featured bi-furcated spring contacts. In the cross-section of page 50, the studs on which the springs are mounted are missing. The page also shows the springs mounted on separate mounting bracket. Presumably, these drawings are for the 24A36 type. Two pages later the mounting studs as part of the casing are clearly shown in a cross-section view and rear view drawing.
A 1958 replacement parts pamphlet shows the correct parts for the 51A dial, but it does not mention the 24A36 and 51 dials anymore.
So, an alternate explanation perhaps would be that there were two versions of the 26A36 dial, the one with the separate spring assembly bracket, and one with the black-anodized dial-cast casing, while the 51 dial had the non-anodized casing. But this would surely be a rather confusing situation—how does one order replacement parts accurately? But confusing it is in any case, whether model numbers are mixed up, or whether catalog pictures are.
Is there another way to decipher all this?