Maybe you can help with this. I need to know if this is an AE phone. Uses a 29s key in front. I will need vault and phone body key. What is that metal hanging from the shelf? Does the ringer unit go there? Are ringer units available? Anyone know the year of the phone? See pics! Need the side light for a phone booth also. Any help would be great. Thanks Ron
It appears to be Western Electric. Definetly a WE G type handset. There is a stamping on the front above the coin vault, should read Gray or Western Electric or both. Yes, the space underneath is where the ringer box should be mounted. I am not a payphone expert, I have no idea of the year, but one of our payphone experts should chime in on that.
Looks like AE to me, stamping should read Automatic Electric Company (nothing else) -as it's the complete square bottom. Before moved to Northlake (about 1956) it has stamped Chicago Ill USA there too but bevelled corner. Maybe still has ID plate on top, please take a look.
Haf
It does have stamped in it Automatic Electric great! Don't see a beveled section. Thanks now where to get a ringer and vault and key. Thanks Ron
This is the type of ringer you're looking for. Ignore everything except the black box- had to take a picture of one of Stan's auctions, haven't found better one on the quick :)
Haf
darticus,
Haf has the right idea. It 's called a type 33 ringer . Here's a pic of mine. You need to make sure it is not a frequency ringer. SL will be stamped on the ringer like mine in the pic. You can find them on e place. Hope this helps . stub
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Quote from: stub on October 10, 2017, 07:20:33 PM
darticus,
Haf has the right idea. It 's called a type 33 ringer . Here's a pic of mine. You need to make sure it is not a frequency ringer. SL will be stamped on the ringer like mine in the pic. You can find them on e place. Hope this helps . stub
left click on pic to enlarge
Does that mount on the hanging plate under the shelf? What is e place? Do they cost a lot. Having a key problem. I have a key marked 29-S and it opens the vault. Don't have the key for the top? This 29-S key won't fit top slit. Ron
darticus,
yes it is mounted on the hanging plate under the shelf. e place..ebay or similar. 29-S key normally is for the upper housing. Try again, sometimes it's a bit tricky to get the key into the lock when the slit is not exactly vertical. Maybe you're lucky and it will fit. Oh and please, take a look on the top of the phone if there is still an identification plate present-similar to this picture.
Haf
Just got it today so really confused. The 29-S fits in the Vault and opens it but the upper slit seems too tight to push it in. Here are some pics. I do have the plate see pics. Hope all will be good with this. Ron
Here's a diagram for later use maybe :)
Thanks Haf
I turned the 29-S over and it did go in the top, a turn a wiggle and I'm in. It worked! One key both locks. New inside pics. Time to sleep later. Thanks All Ron
Computer chips??? What!
darticus
you're welcome, glad that it worked out finally. The sad thing, this is not what I wish to see inside a 62-55, has been modified. But I expected something like that as normally a 29S key won't open the vault door.
Haf
Quote from: Haf on October 10, 2017, 08:50:36 PM
darticus
you're welcome, glad that it worked out finally. The sad thing, this is not what I wish to see inside a 62-55, has been modified. But I expected something like that as normally a 29S key won't open the vault door.
Haf
Do you think it will still work? Can it be changed back to original? Why did they modify? Thanks ron
I don't have any idea if this will work or not like it is now. I don't have a clue what exactly this is ;) If you have a landline- give it a try. Of course it can be changed back to original, but as a model 62 is not that common wont be easy to get all the parts..and rather expensive I guess.
Haf
Can't sleep now! No wire coming out of the booth. Whats the best way to run a wire? Remove the phone and look? Take back of booth off? Thanks Ron
Quote from: darticus on October 10, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
Can't sleep now! No wire coming out of the booth. Whats the best way to run a wire? Remove the phone and look? Take back of booth off? Thanks Ron
Look at the top of the booth (outside). It is possible that both the 120 Volts AC (for the light and fan) as well as the phone line are terminated there.
Hi, I recognize the pcbs installed in the phone. A large antique phone retailer called Phoneco sold these in the 1990s and early 2000s. they were intended for small businesses to use as commercial payphones on a standard pots line. The pcbs were set up as an improvised semi post-pay system. They were set up so you would dial the number, then you would quickly deposit a quarter after the the called party answered to turn on the handset transmitter so the other party could hear you. There was no provision to vary the charge, but you could move jumpers to make the calls timed or not timed, and charge or not charge to call operator. while 911 calls were always free. Russell
Quote from: Russ62 on October 11, 2017, 01:42:15 AM
Hi, I recognize the pcbs installed in the phone. A large antique phone retailer called Phoneco sold these in the 1990s and early 2000s. they were intended for small businesses to use as commercial payphones on a standard pots line. The pcbs were set up as an improvised semi post-pay system. They were set up so you would dial the number, then you would quickly deposit a quarter after the the called party answered to turn on the handset transmitter so the other party could hear you. There was no provision to vary the charge, but you could move jumpers to make the calls timed or not timed, and charge or not charge to call operator. while 911 calls were always free. Russell
Thanks very much for the info.
This sounds like it might work but I'll have to drop a quarter in after I make a call. Sounds like you can't get calls in with a ringer system though. Do you agree? So if this is used the owner of the location would keep the money every month. Do I have it right? Do you think this might still work? Interesting! Thanks Ron
One of the big problems with semi postpay as it was called at AE is that the called party doesn't know that your transmitter is muted until you deposit money. So if you don't insert the money qick enough the called party will hung up. You would too if after third "hello" there is no response when someone calls you.
If your phone is able to receive calls, I don't know. Maybe Russ62 or someone else knowing those Phoneco conversions better can.
Haf
Quote from: Haf on October 11, 2017, 07:20:34 AM
One of the big problems with semi postpay as it was called at AE is that the called party doesn't know that your transmitter is muted until you deposit money. So if you don't insert the money qick enough the called party will hung up. You would too if after third "hello" there is no response when someone calls you.
If your phone is able to receive calls, I don't know. Maybe Russ62 or someone else knowing those Phoneco conversions better can.
Haf
Some one said it could be a Teltronics board. Any thoughts? Ron
darticus.
This will probably help.
See attached.
Stan S.
Quote from: Stan S on October 11, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
darticus.
This will probably help.
See attached.
Stan S.
Thanks Stan the man! I will try to get a wire to the phone today and see whats happening. To all great help! Ron
I found the phone wire coming out the top of the booth. I think it connects to the phone. Maybe I should use a meter and test. There is a red, green and white coming out the line. I think the best way to test this is to connect the red and green wire of the booth to the end of a phone wire, that I'll cut a phone plug off, and plug the other end of the wire ,with plug, into the land line plug. Do you agree? I don't thing I need the white wire do you? Ron
Yes, you only need the red & green wires for it to work.
New Update
Hooked up a wire to the red and green of the booth and than to the phone line. Nothing happened. Took the front of phone off again and noticed there was no connection to the dial. I thought something was missing. I found a wire tucked up into the front cover, pushed up by the dial. Pulled it out and noticed a dot on plug and a dot on a 5 pin unit. Hooked it up and works fine.
It seems to work like a regular booth pay phone as it always has a dial tone and it dials out the other phone rings, when they answer I just talk and don't have to put in any coins in.
Thanks to Sam here it probably is wired for free. Have to look at the diagram he sent on the PCB Board. Now working on fan and light. Need something to run in slot for door to run in. Anyone have a pic of how the door hook in the slit. It must be a pin in the slot. Later Thanks Ron
I do not know what is supposed to be in the door but it looks similar to what goes on a closet bi fold door. I fixed a closet door not long ago and found an assortment of pins & rollers at a local hardware store. You may find something similar that will work.
i just saw the post about the correct part. I thought what you had might not be original. I still think my suggection about bi fold door pins should work with what you have.
Thanks Harry
I fix it for now so it stops hitting me when I working on it. Kept hitting as free swinging. The piece I had took a couple screws and a self made pin. Looks stupid but work until I find one. Thanks Ron
Quote from: stub on October 10, 2017, 07:20:33 PM
darticus,
Haf has the right idea. It 's called a type 33 ringer . Here's a pic of mine. You need to make sure it is not a frequency ringer. SL will be stamped on the ringer like mine in the pic. You can find them on e place. Hope this helps . stub
left click on pic to enlarge
Thanks for this info!
I'm sure you know the answer to this. How would or where is the connection to the ringer unit to the phone? Would I have this connection on my modified phone that my pics show. Thanks Ron
Back to the missing ringer, an AE 33 ringer will work but by the outline on the metal mounting plate I would say this one had the older larger rectangular shaped Bakelite AE 32 ringer.
Terry
Terry,
I was thinking same when watching the 18 type shelf again. Maybe even no AR ringer at all but a WE one (as the booth itself seems to be WE type original). A Western Electric ringer is more easy to come by and should work too.
Haf
I was thinking the same thing, appears to be a WE booth that someone stuck an AE phone in at some point. The easy to find WE ringer box should work fine with your phone anyway.
Thanks all for your info.
I don't know much about these ringers but I would like to buy one. Are there screws in my phone this ringer would hook to? How many wires hook up? Will all ringers work? I'm so dum on this you really have to tell me what to buy and how to hook up. Never did this before. Thanks Ron I will check out the materials you sent and see if I can find something in them. Thanks Ron
The ringer section seems to be 5 1/2 inches by 6 1/2 inches according to the clean area on the plate. The booth has a hole on the side for the bell system light, that I don't have, which might help to identify the booth and original phone. I guess I would need a ringer to work with the phone but also fit the plate or modify the plate. By plate I mean that fold down thing for the ringer. Ron
Yes you (and Harry) are 100% correct. That is the exact same mounting plate.
Terry
Quote from: Haf on October 12, 2017, 11:41:08 AM
Terry,
I was thinking same when watching the 18 type shelf again. Maybe even no AR ringer at all but a WE one (as the booth itself seems to be WE type original). A Western Electric ringer is more easy to come by and should work too.
Haf
Quote from: AE_Collector on October 12, 2017, 08:56:15 PM
Yes you (and Harry) are 100% correct. That is the exact same mounting plate.
Terry
What does this mean? Di someone determine which ringer I should get? Will it fit the plate? Thanks Ron
Quote from: darticus on October 13, 2017, 06:33:02 AM
What does this mean? Di someone determine which ringer I should get? Will it fit the plate? Thanks Ron
Correct me if I am wrong...they show using a Western Electric subscriber set (network and ringer) because WECo phones didn't have a network inside where as AE phones do. So you can use one of the listed subscriber sets just for its ringer if you are sticking with the AE payphone.
Terry
Quote from: AE_Collector on October 17, 2017, 11:04:46 PM
Correct me if I am wrong...they show using a Western Electric subscriber set (network and ringer) because WECo phones didn't have a network inside where as AE phones do. So you can use one of the listed subscriber sets just for its ringer if you are sticking with the AE payphone.
Terry
Thanks, I bought a ringer off ebay that I hope will work ok. Thanks Ron
The "531A subscriber set" pictured contains only a ringer and capacitor. It was used with WE 180 and 190 series pay phones, because those models do have a 101-type induction coil and 195C talk capacitor inside the telephone.
I wonder whether an AE 33 would line up with the predrilled holes.
The problem with mounting a ringer inside the phone is that it will probably have to be installed in the space where the missing coin relay goes.
Thanks all
I hope the ringer I bought will work fine. Ron
Post the eBay pictures and we may be able to give you some thoughts.
Terry
Quote from: AE_Collector on October 19, 2017, 09:22:31 PM
Post the eBay pictures and we may be able to give you some thoughts.
Terry
I have to wait until it gets here but I will post pics. Thanks Ron