Candlesticks I have no clue?

[Jack Ryan]

Looked recessed to me, not like a type 24 sitting on top....Doug

It's not a Type 24 dial, it's a Type 23. A Type 23 mounts like a Mercedes so it looks recessed. If a Type 24 dial were mounted on that telephone, it would sit high.

Attached are two dials, a Mercedes (couldn't find a Type 23) and a Type 24, from the side. The Mercedes and the Type 23 do not have the side wall that would mount it high.

Jack

[Doug Rose]

It's not a Type 24 dial, it's a Type 23. A Type 23 mounts like a Mercedes so it looks recessed. If a Type 24 dial were mounted on that telephone, it would sit high.

Attached are two dials, a Mercedes (couldn't find a Type 23) and a Type 24, from the side. The Mercedes and the Type 23 do not have the side wall that would mount it high.

Jack

Jack....agreed...it looks recessed to me,  as you disagreed with originally...Doug

[Jack Ryan]

Jack....agreed...it looks recessed to me,  as you disagreed with originally...Doug

There is no dial recess - that is all I am saying.

Jack

[captroosh]

I'm still looking came within seconds of buying a WE 20AL in good shape. It went for $123.  First pic. I saw the second one for sale but seller says there are no markings BIN $85. I also came across another phone on Goodwill Seattle a Western electric 102/202 which was bid up to $566 the last photo looks like the same phone for $50 from someone local. So my questions are What makes the Goodwill phone worth $566. here's he link https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1930s-Western-Electric-Rotary-Dial-Telephone-Untested-Parts-Repair/333520412276?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3D1db6e7ae4bd84df08a7a5d9c710e2970%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D8%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D324079453415%26itm%3D333520412276%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042

I'm sure you see where I am going here. Do you guys think the local model is a good buy. I'm hoping for more photos. As to the Stick for $85 does that seem like a proper price here's a link to that phone. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Candlestick-Phone-Telephone/293454213491

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[rdelius]

Thatbcradle set photo 2 is a WE a1 set. Those can sell for $1000+. The unmarked stick is an AE type 21 if $85 a good price

[Jack Ryan]

Can I counsel patience?  (reading posts before sending is good too )

Wait until a nice example comes up. Don't buy a brassed out mess unless you like brassed out telephones. The original finish, even if it is worn, is much better.

The expensive phone you mentioned is the most common "rare" phone in the US. It sells for a high price because it is Western Electric and because it is WE's first handset telephone. It was released in 1927 mainly as a test bed for the E handset. It was replaced within a year by the B Handset Mounting. The cheaper one is a D Handset Mounting, the model after the B.

The expensive one is an "A1" Handset Mounting - in quotes as I don't think there was ever a marked A1.

Jack

[captroosh]

Thank you Jack. Sometimes I need to be pulled back from the edge. I really liked the first WE stick. But I waited to long. I really want to get the right one but my budget is not huge. There seem to be so many variants.  I'm gonna concentrate on a stick. The only other phone I crave is a payphone. But the Stick is the type I wanted since childhood. Thanks again Jack for your counsel.

[Jack Ryan]

Thank you Jack. Sometimes I need to be pulled back from the edge. I really liked the first WE stick. But I waited to long. I really want to get the right one but my budget is not huge. There seem to be so many variants.  I'm gonna concentrate on a stick. The only other phone I crave is a payphone. But the Stick is the type I wanted since childhood. Thanks again Jack for your counsel.

Eventually an affordable candlestick will come along - no need to jump at the first.

Remember too that even though it looks like you missed something on an eBay auction by just $1, the other guy probably bid a ridiculous amount and you would not have won even if you bid $100 more.

The buy-it-now WE candlestick you just missed out on might have been a lamp and the internal contacts might have been fused. Probably lucky you didn't buy it.

The point is, patience will be rewarded and lamenting what got away is just depressing.

Good luck.

Jack

[Sargeguy]

I would recommend you find an unrestored WE dial candlestick and don't pay more than $150.  They are easy to work on and parts are readily available.

[poplar1]

The expensive phone you mentioned is the most common "rare" phone in the US. It sells for a high price because it is Western Electric and because it is WE's first handset telephone. It was released in 1927 mainly as a test bed for the E handset. It was replaced within a year by the B Handset Mounting. The cheaper one is a D Handset Mounting, the model after the B.

The expensive one is an "A1" Handset Mounting - in quotes as I don't think there was ever a marked A1.

AT&T Specifications 4810, December 1927, includes A1, A2, and A3 handset mountings.  (TCI library) See pages 5,6, and 9.

[Jack Ryan]

AT&T Specifications 4810, December 1927, includes A1, A2, and A3 handset mountings.  (TCI library)

But none, as far as I can determine, were marked "A1". I think they were overtaken by events and the B1 was released before it happened.

Jack

[Jack Ryan]

I would recommend you find an unrestored WE dial candlestick and don't pay more than $150.  They are easy to work on and parts are readily available.

I agree but you will not likely find one like that on eBay. Try a telephone show.

I did a quick scan of ebay looking at candlestick prices and found these - give them a miss.

This may or may not be an original Kellogg but it is fitted with a piece of decorative tubing over the shaft.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254450622953

This is probably a 1970s nickel/chrome special.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143212602554

Jack

[poplar1]

But none, as far as I can determine, were marked "A1". I think they were overtaken by events and the B1 was released before it happened.

Jack

The author says "some may be marked D-76869." I agree with you that "some" does not appear to be accurate.

However, the description of A2 and A3 mountings does not mention a corresponding D- number.

The author uses the same qualifier  "some" when describing E1A handsets, which were used only on A-type handset mountings. "Some E1 handles are marked D-80370."  My D-76869 mounting does have a D-80370 handle.

[Tim Mc]

So who won the A1?   

[captroosh]

Don't know but went for $695.