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Title: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 12:20:31 AM
I recently began going through my fathers collection. He was a bell worker for over 40 years. This is what I found today in his attic. Not even the tip of the iceberg!
Let me know what you think!
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 12:25:22 AM
A few more pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: twocvbloke on November 18, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
I would think "Goldmine!!!", and "Jackpot!!!"... :D

Seems you have quite the collection of parts and phones there, I'm sure many here will be after them.... :)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 12:45:47 AM
Quote from: twocvbloke on November 18, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
I would think "Goldmine!!!", and "Jackpot!!!"... :D

Seems you have quite the collection of parts and phones there, I'm sure many here will be after them.... :)

I just began looking, I have boxes and boxes of parts and phones. I have a box full of brand new princess phones never taken from their box, tools, tool boxes, tool belts, hard hats, switchboard, bell luggage, testers, early mobile phones etc etc. It's crazy! He didn't get rid of anything. It's all gonna be sold. I just have to haul it all down from the attic. I am guessing about 40 boxes.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 01:02:31 AM
Any plans yet on how you will go about selling it?

It scares me to think that if I died tomorrow I would leave my wife and children a mess bigger than yours to deal with.

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 01:14:49 AM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 01:02:31 AM
Any plans yet on how you will go about selling it?

It scares me to think that if I died tomorrow I would leave my wife and children a mess bigger than yours to deal with.

Terry

I will have to challenge you on the bigger mess! I have not even come close to going through it all yet. I guess I was a bit overwhelmed (frickin ticked off!!!!!) until I began opening box after box of cool phone stuff. It's like opening up presents. If he had to be a hoarder, I'm glad he collected cool stuff. As far as the selling goes, I would love some phone guy to come to my Dad's home and say SOLD! I'll buy it all!
I guess I will clean up everything and take some nice pics and let everyone have at it on ebay. Any other ideas? I could open up a store with everything I have here! 
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 01:29:44 AM
It probably isn't out of the question to sell it all in one go. First question would be, where is it located?

Obviously you can turn it into more cash by selling it all individually but you might turn it into a career as well.

There is a Classifieds section on this forum but realistically there aren't enough people on here to easily unload tons of stuff. On here I would say a dutch auction where you set a price on each item or group of items and then systematically drop the price by 10% once a week until someone cant resist or isn't willing to risk losing out in order to save another 10% by waiting another week.

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 01:32:42 AM
Hello,
Trying to find info on this phone.
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: twocvbloke on November 18, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
If only I was on that side of the pond, I'd certainly love to dip into the collection for some phones, parts and maybe the odd tool that isn't common over here in blighty... :D
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 01:58:08 AM
Unfortunately, living so far away,it would be impossible to see what your Dad amassed, but it sounds wonderful.

I would likely be interested in purchasing some of the more interesting tools he had for the museum collection.

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 02:04:25 AM
I have some more phones I cannot find info about when I google it. 2 phones. One clearly marked IL bell Mobile phone, the other marked as a control unit.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Maureen
Chicago
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 02:12:54 AM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 01:58:08 AM
Unfortunately, living so far away,it would be impossible to see what your Dad amassed, but it sounds wonderful.

I would likely be interested in purchasing some of the more interesting tools he had for the museum collection.

Dave

Hi Dave,
He has TONS  phone related  tools. When I'm ready to sell I will let you know. Here is just a few pics I snapped today. What you can't see is the 4 feet of boxes below the pic with boxes of phone tools. I will take more pics when I go there next week.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 02:17:48 AM
Nothing rare...

Typical Motorola Pulsar IMTS.
I'll see if I can find a photo.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 02:21:22 AM
I should add that your unit is mis-identified. It is a control HEAD and not UNIT!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 02:30:34 AM
It's been a long time...

they are respectively a control head (handset unit) and a radio (not control unit).

Edit: I forgot to add that these photos are not mine but are from a radio website.

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 02:46:23 AM
Western Electric portable conference telephone. Model number (50??) escapes me for the moment.

There should be one on it but the photos are not detailed enough for others to see it.

Documentation for it resides in the TCI Library.

If you take clearer and more detailed photos showing the nomenclature plate it would be easier to pin-point it.

Of course with all of the knowledgeable collectors on this site someone may be able to recall from memory instead of guessing like myself.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 02:53:44 AM
50A1 Conference Set

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=2357&Itemid=2

Much more documentation in the TCI Library including schematics, etc.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 03:01:49 AM
I found a few phones with no dial, please tell me about them! Sorry the pics are bad. Hard to take a pic when you are squeezed in an attic.
Thanks.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 03:03:43 AM
Thank You!! ;)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 03:08:20 AM
One more pic
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: twocvbloke on November 18, 2012, 03:14:18 AM
Those are generally known as Manual phones, where you lift the handset and an operator answers, you ask them to put you through to the number you required, some had a call button to notify the operator too, but it depends on where the phone was used... :)

These days they're handy for incoming-only lines, or to use where you don't want people dialling out... :)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 03:17:21 AM
First photo is of a 302-series instrument. The model number should be stamped on the bottom along with the date of manufacture.

Kinda unusual since only the early models used an E1 handset. It may be original to the telephone or added later on. No-dial instruments were used in manual telephone exchanges, behind pbx switchboards or when it was desirable to restrict dialing outside lines on an extension.

The wall telephone is probably a 35x-series set, again the model and date are most likely stamped on its back.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 03:39:09 AM
Here is a link to Paul Fassbender's fabulous site that should help you identify some of your telephones.
Since some of them look identical you will need to compare the model numbers stamped on the underside of you sets.
http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm

Here are some other variations showing your instrument that looks like a 302:
http://www.paul-f.com/wep302.html#D97464b

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: dsk on November 18, 2012, 03:40:37 AM
Welcome to the forum Maureen  :)
Lots of things I never had seen before, but you have reached the right forum to get the information needed.
You may get good hints about how to identify, whats important to tell in an eBay listing, how to wrap and pack.

Since I am on the other side of pond, please make it possible for us to bid. Regarding postage cost, it may be smart to clam to disregard the eBay calculator, and just charge real USPS costs.

Please remember, no part is to bad, or to simple to ask (here) if someone need it.

Good luck with your project, I hope all the things will find good new homes if you don't want to keep it.

dsk
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 03:40:51 AM
Quote from: G-Man on November 18, 2012, 03:39:09 AM
Here is a link to Paul Fassbender's fabulous site that should help you identify some of your telephones.
Since some of them look identical you will need to compare the model numbers stamped on the underside of you sets.
http://www.paul-f.com/we300typ.htm

Here are some other variations showing your instrument that looks like a 302:
http://www.paul-f.com/wep302.html#D97464b


Cool,
Thanks
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: dsk on November 18, 2012, 03:40:37 AM
Welcome to the forum Maureen  :)
Lots of things I never had seen before, but you have reached the right forum to get the information needed.
You may get good hints about how to identify, whats important to tell in an eBay listing, how to wrap and pack.

Since I am on the other side of pond, please make it possible for us to bid. Regarding postage cost, it may be smart to clam to disregard the eBay calculator, and just charge real USPS costs.

Please remember, no part is to bad, or to simple to ask (here) if someone need it.

Good luck with your project, I hope all the things will find good new homes if you don't want to keep it.


dsk

I agree. I want what is fair for both sides. I would not price gouge  the shipping. I never "ebayed before" but it looks like I will be a pro before it's all over! I will alert the forum when I start auctioning, so everyone will be able to bid.  By the way, it's not that I don't want to keep everything, I just can't. He didn't only collect phone things, so unless I keep his house full of his stuff, I have no choice. I would be happy to know it is going to someone who would love it like he did and the cash would help too!
Thanks!
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 11:01:56 AM
It looks as though Maureen's is a display unit possibly with the radio mounted in the wooden box and the Head attached to it for display?

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Generally the earliest phones were Magneto. These phones have a crank to signal the operator to come on the line to put your call through and they are frequently made of wood but there are newer metal, Bakelite and even plastic variety's.

Then came Manual or Common Battery Phones such as the ones you are showing here. No need for the crank, just pick up and the operator comes on the line. There were still some wooden ones but more commonly plastic and Bakelite phones as well as Candlestick phones.

Then came Automatic or Dial phones where you make the call yourself without an operators help. Later came the change from dial to push buttons. Wood was almost gone by this time frame but not completely and Bakelite or plastic continued to become the popular choice of materials.

Your father may have removed the phones shown from service when he installed newer dial phones for customers. What years did he work and did he work for Illinois Bell? Any idea what job classifications he did over his 40 years with them?

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 12:13:20 PM
Anita just asked me if I wanted an airplane ticket to Illinois for my birthday!  I'm tempted!  She even suggested we do a forum group trip!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 12:16:38 PM
If Anita is buying....go for a Deluxe rather than Plain ticket! Couldn't resist, I find myself stumbling over plain and plane lately too...lots of other words too come to think of it.

See you in Illinois!

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
This box looks like it might be a stamp kit, similar to one I have.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 12:16:38 PM
If Anita is buying....go for a Deluxe rather than Plain ticket! Couldn't resist, I find myself stumbling over plain and plane lately too...lots of other words too come to think of it.

See you in Illinois!

Terry

Ok funny guy, happy now?  :D  Problem is how to get whatever I buy back and keep the shipping cost down.  I've only got my two days off anyway.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 18, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
This box looks like it might be a stamp kit, similar to one I have.
As long as it contains what is says it does (R2315), it is a stamp kit. I have one of these, too. Or is that a photo of your kit? The R2315 is the same as Neuses N2315. Both were manufactured by Neuses, To me, the box in her photo doesn't look the same as the photo below it.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 18, 2012, 12:22:02 PM
Ok funny guy, happy now?  :D  Problem is how to get whatever I buy back and keep the shipping cost down.  I've only got my two days off anyway.

You know me, cant resist an opportunity like that AND can't spell to save my life!

You drive a bus don't you....have 2 days off.... need BIG transportation solution....would like to take other CRPF'ers along with you....HHmmmm

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 03:01:25 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 18, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
This box looks like it might be a stamp kit, similar to one I have.
As long as it contains what is says it does (R2315), it is a stamp kit. I have one of these, too. Or is that a photo of your kit? The R2315 is the same as Neuses N2315. Both were manufactured by Neuses, To me, the box in her photo doesn't look the same as the photo below it.

The R2315 is mine.  My only comparison is that the box in her picture appears to be the same size and shape, but it could be something else entirely.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 03:07:30 PM
I'd be willing to help sort and take pictures just for the thrill of it.  I think I could talk Anita into it if I take her along, she loves adventures as much as I do.  The reality though, is time off work, travel and lodging.  I have plenty of comp time to use, she doesn't.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dan/Panther on November 18, 2012, 05:19:33 PM
Maureen;
I assume your Dad has passed, may I extend my condolences.
D/P
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 18, 2012, 12:22:02 PM
Ok funny guy, happy now?  :D  Problem is how to get whatever I buy back and keep the shipping cost down.  I've only got my two days off anyway.

You drive a bus don't you....have 2 days off.... need BIG transportation solution....would like to take other CRPF'ers along with you....HHmmmm

Terry

Believe me, you don't want to ride in a city bus all the way to Chicago!  The seats aren't built for long hauls, not even the driver's seat!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 18, 2012, 05:19:33 PM
Maureen;
I assume your Dad has passed, may I extend my condolences.
D/P

Ditto.  What years did he work for Illinois Bell?
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 18, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Greg

Don't you think someone will notice a Seattle Metro bus missing, let alone chugging around Chicago?   :)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Generally the earliest phones were Magneto. These phones have a crank to signal the operator to come on the line to put your call through and they are frequently made of wood but there are newer metal, Bakelite and even plastic variety's.

Then came Manual or Common Battery Phones such as the ones you are showing here. No need for the crank, just pick up and the operator comes on the line. There were still some wooden ones but more commonly plastic and Bakelite phones as well as Candlestick phones.

Then came Automatic or Dial phones where you make the call yourself without an operators help. Later came the change from dial to push buttons. Wood was almost gone by this time frame but not completely and Bakelite or plastic continued to become the popular choice of materials.

Your father may have removed the phones shown from service when he installed newer dial phones for customers. What years did he work and did he work for Illinois Bell? Any idea what job classifications he did over his 40 years with them?

Terry

Hi Terry, He worked for IL Bell until 1994, he began in 1953. He began working in the manholes, he was a "splicer", then became a garage duty foreman, he then did car phones for the IL bell vehicles and the "rich" people (as he called them). Then he set up the sites for Bell Boys, Then worked with the Chicago TV networks for special events:sporting events and elections(I have memorabilia from the Democratic National convention). Then he worked on the microwave truck to shoot off the merchandise mart, horizon stadium, Hancock , sears tower etc. I actually found some wonderful pictures from my Fathers decades with IL Bell. Phones were not his only Love! He loved photography, He has fantastic pictures of IL Bell functions, work sites, Sears tower, etc. He loved working for IL Bell and I must say They were lucky to have him.
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
UPDATE! Some pics of what I found today. It never ends! I would love to hear your thoughts. The picture #4 is bell plastic boxes filled with wires and things.
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 18, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Greg

Don't you think someone will notice a Seattle Metro bus missing, let alone chugging around Chicago?   :)


They charter them out sometimes, Metro driver included, but only locally.  No driver in his right mind would want to drive them that far.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
More pics from today... The "luggage" is new in the box, so cool!
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 18, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 18, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Greg

Don't you think someone will notice a Seattle Metro bus missing, let alone chugging around Chicago?   :)


They charter them out sometimes (Metro driver included).
Actually you may need two buses, No, make that three! LOL
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
UPDATE! Some pics of what I found today. It never ends! I would love to hear your thoughts. The picture #4 is bell plastic boxes filled with wires and things.
Thanks,
Maureen
Hi Maureen:

The tool box in the first photos is a pretty standard early telephone repair box.

The butt sets are pin dial sets, again fairly common.

Bell2.jpg shows some fairly common too;s, strippers. punches, a punch=down tool, a pair of Scotchlok pliers, scissors, etc. Without the tools being separated in the box, there may be some less than usual tools in it, but at first glance.. Still, there is value to them.

The boxes in the next photo are interesting...

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:12:54 PM
Hi Again,
I found many boxes with parts in it and one box with about 100 cords in it. Old and new all different colors. Very cool. Take a look.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:18:09 PM
more pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:25:06 PM
More pics. The sears hard hat was given to my dad after the "top off" of the Sears tower back in 79. It has been in his closet ever since with the tags still on it. He headed a crew that helped with the antenna set up back then. I just love that hard hat!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
You have all sorts of highly desirable parts showing in the photos. I see a number of Princess transformers, dials, the older thick cords are very desirable, especially the gray ones, and the solder is amazingly desirable - you wouldn't believe how much it would go for if you post it on eBay - especially the Nassau roll.

The rolls of wire on the middle of the solder rolls (the large ones) look like stitching wire, used with a machine to wrap around wires and cables being fastened to a carrier wire.

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:30:40 PM
I have too many pics to post. I din't think you can see it in the pic of picture "k" but it says FONE UNIT on it...not phone. Also, My dad wrote on the tube box that it was GOOD and he dated it 1967.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 18, 2012, 07:33:46 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on November 18, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 18, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Greg

Don't you think someone will notice a Seattle Metro bus missing, let alone chugging around Chicago?   :)


They charter them out sometimes (Metro driver included).
Actually you may need two buses, No, make that three! LOL
Maureen

A couple of buses full of phone collectors going to see the Mother Load!  Can you say "Party Bus"?
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: LarryInMichigan on November 18, 2012, 07:47:31 PM
Maureen is only a few miles or so from my mother's house, and I had been contemplating a trip out there soon.  I am invited to a friend's son's wedding near O'Hare airport in a few weeks.

Larry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: rdelius on November 18, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
WE-Nassau solder brings big money on ebay along with some WE tubes. Any picturephone items are rare.Nice collection of tools
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:56:09 PM
A few more
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
more pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 08:02:14 PM
more pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 08:07:24 PM
What I still have to look through
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
The rolls of wire on the middle of the solder rolls (the large ones) look like stitching wire, used with a machine to wrap around wires and cables being fastened to a carrier wire.

Dave

Do they call it Stiching Wire back there Dave? We call it Spinning wire out here on the West Coast.

Someone at Ill Bell Stores must have had a hard time keeping tools in stock!

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
The rolls of wire on the middle of the solder rolls (the large ones) look like stitching wire, used with a machine to wrap around wires and cables being fastened to a carrier wire.

Dave

Do they call it Stiching Wire back there Dave? We call it Spinning wire out here on the West Coast.

Someone at Ill Bell Stores must have had a hard time keeping tools in stock!

Terry
That's what we called it when I worked for Cablevision 23 years ago (before PO)... That and lashing wire.

No idea what Island Tel calls it...

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 18, 2012, 05:19:33 PM
Maureen;
I assume your Dad has passed, may I extend my condolences.
D/P
Thanks Dan. He died a few months back of lung cancer (never smoked). He was a Korean War Vet and he will always be my hero. He was full of surprises and after his passing they still keep coming!
I appreciate your thoughts,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 08:23:36 PM
Thanks Dan. He died a few months back of lung cancer (never smoked). He was a Korean War Vet and he will always be my hero. He was full of surprises and after his passing they still keep coming!
I appreciate your thoughts,
Maureen
You will be amazed how much his collection of items will bring in the end. I am sure you were a bit overwhelmed when you started to look at it, but you will be amazed how much it will bring. And, thank goodness he loved his work to the extent he saved so many good items.  All too often, items such as these are discarded by family, not realizing their value.  Be thankful he had the foresight to save it.

He sounds as though he was a wonderful man, and what a shame he is gone.

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 08:19:57 PM
... That and lashing wire.

Ok, I have heard that term as well but spinning wire is "the name" for it here. For everyone else, as Dave said for lashing cable to messenger between poles. It goes into a "spinner" that is hauled along by a truck spinning this good quality stainless steel wire around the cable and messenger. Not really worth much at all, unlike the solder!

Maureen: From the picture and your "it's heavy" comment my guess would be a power supply. Does it have an AC cord coming out of it?

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 08:19:57 PM
... That and lashing wire.

Ok, I have heard that term as well but spinning wire is "the name" for it here. For everyone else, as Dave said for lashing cable to messenger between poles. It goes into a "spinner" that is hauled along by a truck spinning this good quality stainless steel wire around the cable and messenger. Not really worth much at all, unlike the solder!

Terry
Nope, but if he also happened to have a lashing machine, then you get up into big money if it is in good shape. I am pretty sure that is something I will never be able to afford to have in the museum :-)

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 09:10:16 PM
I know the real old ones are worth a lot, like Neale Spinners. Are they all quite expensive?

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 09:12:37 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 09:10:16 PM
I know the real old ones are worth a lot, like Neale Spinners. Are they all quite expensive?

Terry
Yep! New ones running for $2000 plus.

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 18, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
Well you need an experienced one off ebaY that no one else knows what it is for $19.95.

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 18, 2012, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 18, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
Well you need an experienced one off ebaY that no one else knows what it is for $19.95.

Terry
PM me if you see one which meets the criteria  ;)!

Dave

10-4! ..... Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: twocvbloke on November 18, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
I can certainly say that your father has left quite the legacy for you, selling off the spares alone would keep a regular income, and the rare and collectable items would definitely keep you with a financial legacy for sure, whether he had that intent or not, he certainly chose the right stuff to keep a hold of for future generations... :)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 19, 2012, 12:06:49 AM
Well not to rain on the parade but the majority of it will be a lot of tedious work to sell on ebaY. I used to sell a bit and it is a lot of work. If Maureen has the time and inclination to work at selling it all she has the material to create an income while slowly moving the stuff out. Fortunately there are some items that should bring a fairly good return to help offset the items that bring a dollar or two each like screw drivers and pliers.

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 19, 2012, 01:07:34 AM
Quite the interest in this topic! 24 hours after your first post here ad we have almost 6 full pages of posts. Probably close to some sort of record here on the CRPF! Brinybay's been arrested for trying to steal a Seattle Bus and drive it across State lines....

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: baldopeacock on November 19, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 18, 2012, 07:12:54 PM
Hi Again,
I found many boxes with parts in it and one box with about 100 cords in it. Old and new all different colors. Very cool. Take a look.
Maureen

Unless I'm mistaken, that's a treasure trove of early color 500 gray cords.   

More gold in your dad's stash than Fort Knox.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 19, 2012, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 19, 2012, 01:07:34 AM
Brinybay's been arrested for trying to steal a Seattle Bus and drive it across State lines....

Terry
Poor Briny - Bus-ted! What do they call that - interstate trafficking? ::)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: HowardPgh on November 19, 2012, 02:16:54 PM
I would have a problem if that stash was mine.-  I would never be able to part with any of it!!!! ::)
Howard
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 19, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 19, 2012, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 19, 2012, 01:07:34 AM
Brinybay's been arrested for trying to steal a Seattle Bus and drive it across State lines....

Terry
Poor Briny - Bus-ted! What do they call that - interstate trafficking? ::)

Hahaha!  Nope, I'm sitting here on my day off looking at the deluge, sipping coffee and catching up with phone projects.  I'm not venturing out in this weather for anything!

I second Doug's suggestion, start with the Picture Phone.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 19, 2012, 06:11:26 PM
Hi Larry, I don't even know what a 302 is!!
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 19, 2012, 08:02:49 PM
A few pics of nic nacs. Probably not of any value but cool nonetheless. 
~Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 19, 2012, 09:30:30 PM
Does anyone have any idea what the Buttons Maureen posted just above refer to?

"8-7-83
5-8-68
Lest We Forget"

and

IBEW "Dump the Lump"

Labor Negotiations Issues presumably?

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 19, 2012, 10:01:47 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 19, 2012, 09:30:30 PM
Does anyone have any idea what the Buttons Maureen posted just above refer to?

"8-7-83
5-8-68
Lest We Forget"

and

IBEW "Dump the Lump"

Labor Negotiations Issues presumably?

Terry
I am pretty sure it was strike dates. Maybe Lump was a union boss? Not sure
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 19, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
Or the Company Boss! Or maybe an Arbitrator who's opinion wasn't appreciated.

Been there (labor disputes) done that, several times in my career.

Terry

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 19, 2012, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 19, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
Or the Company Boss! Or maybe an Arbitrator who's opinion wasn't appreciated.

Been there (labor disputes) done that, several times in my career.

Terry



I think it had something to do with Lump sum payment!!!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: baldopeacock on November 19, 2012, 10:39:11 PM
Maureen,

Just from what I've seen in pictures here, I think you might be surprised, maybe amazed, at the interest you'll see in items that may not look like much from where you sit right now.

For example, I saw gray cords from very early color 500 sets in one photo.   I have a very nice 1955 yellow 500 that's all original except that someone "improved" it by discarding the original line cord.   They replaced it with a cheap modern modular cord, but did manage to save the dated crimped-on retainer from the original, and mash it onto the silver satin cord.   Consolation prize, I guess.

I've been watching for a correct line cord and never see them come up.   Lots of things in this collection are going to have the same appeal to people looking for that one missing part.   I'd be thrilled to see a correct cord for my otherwise 100% original '55.

Whatever original early phone parts you've got may well be someone's Holy Grail.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: JorgeAmely on November 19, 2012, 11:54:59 PM
Maureen:

I think you should spend some time cataloging everything so you can have an idea of what you have first.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 20, 2012, 12:15:51 AM
Stuff ???
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 20, 2012, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 20, 2012, 12:15:51 AM
Stuff ???

Glass telephone insulators are a collecting niche by themselves: http://www.insulators.info/ (http://www.insulators.info/)

(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7944.0;attach=42187;image)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: twocvbloke on November 20, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
With regard to "the children's future" thing, assuming they're young still, maybe it would be a good idea to use the money from the sale of these collectable items and place it into a savings account or trust fund, so they have some money, courtesy of their grandfather, to give them a good start to their lives when they leave the nest, a family legacy if you will... :)

Not many people have such an opportunity with such a great find, and a lot that do tend to not think of it as being worth anything and dump the lot, only to kick themselves later when they find out they lost a lot of money as they had something of high value in what would appear to them to be a pile of junk...  :-\
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: baldopeacock on November 20, 2012, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: twocvbloke on November 20, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
With regard to "the children's future" thing, assuming they're young still, maybe it would be a good idea to use the money from the sale of these collectable items and place it into a savings account or trust fund, so they have some money, courtesy of their grandfather, to give them a good start to their lives when they leave the nest, a family legacy if you will... :)

Nice idea.   Speaking as a grandpa, I'm sure that Maureen's dad would be proud.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE40FAN on November 20, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
How much for the orange phone? ;D
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 20, 2012, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: AE40FAN on November 20, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
How much for the orange phone? ;D

The Oronge 500 desk phone in Reply #1 PAGE 1? WECo never offered bright oronge, right? It must be relatively old as it has an oronge spade line cord rather than Modular cord? What year was oronge first offered?

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: LarryInMichigan on November 20, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
My guess is that the orange 500 is an ITT.  The number card, from what I can see in the small picture, does not look like a Bell System card, and the area code does not appear to be 312, which was the code for the entire Chicago area back when that phone was in use.  I don't think that WE made orange phones during the years (1970s) that orange was in vogue.

As for a value, I would guess in the $30-$40 range, but I don't really follow orange phones.

Larry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on November 20, 2012, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 20, 2012, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: AE40FAN on November 20, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
How much for the orange phone? ;D

The Oronge 500 desk phone in Reply #1 PAGE 1? WECo never offered bright oronge, right? It must be relatively old as it has an oronge spade line cord rather than Modular cord? What year was oronge first offered?

Terry

WEco never produced orange 500 sets for general distribution.  However, they did make a few for special purposes.  I have one, and you can see it here:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3831.msg50804#msg50804

These are really rare.  If Maureen's orange 500 is really a WECo, and it isn't painted, it's worth big bucks.

Message to Maureen:  Does your orange phone say Bell System or Western Electric on the top-rear of the case or on the handset?

DF
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 20, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on November 20, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
My guess is that the orange 500 is an ITT.  The number card, from what I can see in the small picture, does not look like a Bell System card, and the area code does not appear to be 312, which was the code for the entire Chicago area back when that phone was in use.  I don't think that WE made orange phones during the years (1970s) that orange was in vogue.

As for a value, I would guess in the $30-$40 range, but I don't really follow orange phones.

Larry



The area code was 414. My grams WI home.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 20, 2012, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: Dave F on November 20, 2012, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 20, 2012, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: AE40FAN on November 20, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
How much for the orange phone? ;D

The Oronge 500 desk phone in Reply #1 PAGE 1? WECo never offered bright oronge, right? It must be relatively old as it has an oronge spade line cord rather than Modular cord? What year was oronge first offered?

Terry

WEco never produced orange 500 sets for general distribution.  However, they did make a few for special purposes.  I have one, and you can see it here:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3831.msg50804#msg50804

These are really rare.  If Maureen's orange 500 is really a WECo, and it isn't painted, it's worth big bucks.

Message to Maureen:  Does your orange phone say Bell System or Western Electric on the top-rear of the case or on the handset?

DF
I will check next time I go there
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: LarryInMichigan on November 20, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 20, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on November 20, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
My guess is that the orange 500 is an ITT.  The number card, from what I can see in the small picture, does not look like a Bell System card, and the area code does not appear to be 312, which was the code for the entire Chicago area back when that phone was in use.  I don't think that WE made orange phones during the years (1970s) that orange was in vogue.

As for a value, I would guess in the $30-$40 range, but I don't really follow orange phones.

Larry



The area code was 414. My grams WI home.
Maureen

I was thinking that it showed 414, but I wasn't sure.  The handset on shell (behind the cradle) probably show "ITT".

Larry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: dsk on November 22, 2012, 03:50:11 PM
Maureen, dear fellow collectors, I guess it is the right time to come with a warning.

Telephones may have an effect of addiction, you may only keep one or two as a start...

For us others, we will welcome you, and the most of us will be more happy to have you here, than we we will be sorry for not getting our fingers into your great collection.

dsk
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Dave F on November 20, 2012, 10:20:01 PM
WEco never produced orange 500 sets for general distribution.  However, they did make a few for special purposes.  I have one, and you can see it here:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3831.msg50804#msg50804

These are really rare.  If Maureen's orange 500 is really a WECo, and it isn't painted, it's worth big bucks.

Message to Maureen:  Does your orange phone say Bell System or Western Electric on the top-rear of the case or on the handset?

DF

Is says Northern Telecom
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 08:38:37 PM
I found more stuff today
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 08:41:45 PM
Not sure if the following pics are phone collectibles.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 08:47:11 PM
More pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 23, 2012, 08:52:41 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 08:41:45 PM
Not sure if the following pics are phone collectibles.
Maureen

Pretty much anything related to phones or with "Bell System" on it is collectible.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
A few more
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 23, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
What is this, a little bell?  Does it say anything on it?
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 23, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
Greg:

Maybe that's where the term "Baby Bell" came from.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 09:32:45 PM
Does anyone know where the number "3" comes from on this 533A phone? Just curious.
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 23, 2012, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 09:32:45 PM
Does anyone know where the number "3" comes from on this 533A phone? Just curious.
Thanks,
Maureen

Just a guess, but I think sometimes the phone company numbered phones in places where there were several of them.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 23, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
These were often used in hotel rooms, and as such have even earned the nickname of a hotel phone.  Also offices and factories as intercoms.  Perhaps a hotel room number, although the large vermillion number does not look very elegant.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 23, 2012, 09:56:47 PM
Hi Maureen:

You have an incredible collection there. We may yet see you becoming a collector with some great pieces!

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 23, 2012, 09:56:47 PM
Hi Maureen:

You have an incredible collection there. We may yet see you becoming a collector with some great pieces!

Dave

Funny you say that. I am beginning to think this stuff is cool. The more I learn about it the more I like it. I'm going to take it slow, I'm only in the "dating" stage right now. Not ready for a commitment just yet! LOL
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
Can anyone tell me about this phone? For some reason it has become my favorite. I cannot find anything about 402A?
Thanks, Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 23, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Somone might know exactly what a 402A is but basically it is a Western Electric 302 desk phone....AKA the "Lucy Phone". The two buttons on front are an "aftermarket" addition which likely detracts from its value. I think you have more than one like that though. If so find a good one, polish it up and it would be an ideal keepsake to remember your dad by. Not much says Bell System or Western Electric as loudly as a 302 phone (IMHO).

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 23, 2012, 11:30:48 PM
It looks from the bottom to have some different looking brass screws.  That and the two push buttons are curious.  Wonder what it looks like inside?
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: poplar1 on November 23, 2012, 11:34:02 PM
402 has an exclusion key that is operated by pulling up one of the plungers. When you hang up the phone it automatically restores the excluded extension(s).
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on November 23, 2012, 11:44:19 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
Can anyone tell me about this phone? For some reason it has become my favorite. I cannot find anything about 402A?
Thanks, Maureen

That's the first time I've seen one of those.  I can only tell you it was made in May 1950 (5-50).
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 23, 2012, 11:47:30 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 23, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Somone might know exactly what a 402A is but basically it is a Western Electric 302 desk phone....AKA the "Lucy Phone". The two buttons on front are an "aftermarket" addition which likely detracts from its value. I think you have more than one like that though. If so find a good one, polish it up and it would be an ideal keepsake to remember your dad by. Not much says Bell System or Western Electric as loudly as a 302 phone (IMHO).

Terry

Now that I took a closer look.. could it be a 40 2A? Whatever that is? There is a space bet the 0 and the 2.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: AE_Collector on November 24, 2012, 12:11:26 AM
No that must just be a quirk of the stamp that does the numbers. 402 is what it is. As Poplar1 says, 'll bet that each of the cradle plungers look a bit different. One can be grasped and plled up a bit higher as an "Exclusion" feature. This allowed the boss to operate it when on a call and it disconnected the connection to the secretaries phone which the secreatary had to be able to place and answer calls for the boss. By Excluding the secretaries phone, private calls could not be listened in on.

Terry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: GusHerb on November 24, 2012, 01:31:50 AM
I'd go insane if I ever ran into a goldmine like this! All this stuff is so awesome! I see alot of things in the photo's I've been needing/wanting. I see the OP is in the Chicagoland area too!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Bill on November 24, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: AE_collector
The two buttons on front are an "aftermarket" addition which likely detracts from its value.
Agreed. The consumer electronics stores have switches like this for about a buck. For instance, take a look at Radio Shack item number 275-1548. It would be interesting to know how these were wired in to the phone, and figure out their purpose.

Bill
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 12:16:54 PM
Hello Again,
I posted pics of this one before. You cannot see from the picture but it is in beautiful shape, possibly never even used. The small piece that goes on the front dial was never used, I opened the envelope it came in. It is just very dusty. Does the yellow dot and writing on the backside have any meaning?
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
My husband said "Lil" on the back was prob the name of the person who inspected it. True?
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dennis Markham on November 24, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
I have seen some penciled initials and/or a name on the bottom of the 500's in the past.  I don't recall ever seeing anything in color like Lil wrote.  There is another making on the bottom of yours that may be a refurbish date...it's difficult to read but looks like it was in '55?  Looks like 7R11-55.  I believe the R indicates a repair or refurbish date.  It could be November of 1955 or II (the 2nd quarter of 55).
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on November 24, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
I have seen some penciled initials and/or a name on the bottom of the 500's in the past.  I don't recall ever seeing anything in color like Lil wrote.  There is another making on the bottom of yours that may be a refurbish date...it's difficult to read but looks like it was in '55?  Looks like 7R11-55.  I believe the R indicates a repair or refurbish date.  It could be November of 1955 or II (the 2nd quarter of 55).

Hi,
Yes, It is does have a date of 7RII-55.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:35:30 PM
More things I found today.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
A few more
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
Not sure what the following is:
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
three more
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 10:09:14 PM
The last pic was from his tool area in the basement. We could call him down there. LOL
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 10:27:44 PM
Not sure what this is.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 24, 2012, 10:47:52 PM
I don't know either.  Someone must know.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 24, 2012, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
Not sure what the following is:
Maureen
Hi Maureen:

That is a telegraph sounder... (6.jpg)


Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 24, 2012, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
Not sure what the following is:
Maureen
Hi Maureen:

That is a telegraph sounder... (6.jpg)


Dave

Oh Cool! Thanks
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 24, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 24, 2012, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
Not sure what the following is:
Maureen
Hi Maureen:

That is a telegraph sounder... (6.jpg)


Dave

Oh Cool! Thanks
Actually, you can see photos of a few of them on my museum "What's New" Page = you will find them approximately 1/2 way down the page.

http://www.islandregister.com/phones/new.html

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 24, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
Dave,

Either your website is so complex or I am so dumb.  I cannot find a specific whats new page, but I'd sure like to see how the heck these work.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 24, 2012, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 24, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
Dave,

Either your website is so complex or I am so dumb.  I cannot find a specific whats new page, but I'd sure like to see how the heck these work.

The page I gave you the link for in the message above is the New page - just click on:

http://www.islandregister.com/phones/new.html

and it will take you to the page. You will find the morse stuff halfway down the page...

In circuit with a power source and a telegraph key, each time the key is depressed, voltage will flow through the electromagnet on the sounder, producing a click when the iron bar is pulled down by the magnet.

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dan/Panther on November 24, 2012, 11:23:19 PM
Maureen;
Could that tube device possibly have anything to do with the picturephone.

You know if you put all that stuff together you really have the starts of a nice museum.
D/P
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 24, 2012, 11:23:19 PM
Maureen;
Could that tube device possibly have anything to do with the picturephone.

You know if you put all that stuff together you really have the starts of a nice museum.
D/P

PicturePhone? I have no idea. I wish I knew!
A Museum? Last time I went to a Museum I broke a 200 year statue. Thank God it wasn't brand new one! :o
Maureen

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 24, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 11:39:16 PM
[A Museum? Last time I went to a Museum I broke a 200 year statue. Thank God it wasn't brand new one! :o
Maureen



I am still laughing at that come-back.  I had to tell my wife...  She just looked at me like I was nutty.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 24, 2012, 11:47:43 PM
Yes, it was a great answer, wasn't it :) Good thing it wasn't a shiny new one - just an old grungy piece of junk!

Dave

Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 24, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 24, 2012, 11:39:16 PM
[A Museum? Last time I went to a Museum I broke a 200 year statue. Thank God it wasn't brand new one! :o
Maureen



I am still laughing at that come-back.  I had to tell my wife...  She just looked at me like I was nutty.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 24, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
We kind of picked up the pace with the two topics started by Maureen.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: McHeath on November 25, 2012, 01:13:08 AM
Late to this party, where have I been, and what a party it is!  An amazing collection, the stuff of phone legends here.

Now I have a question maybe some of you who worked for the phone company back then would know about, what was the legality of an employee taking home so much work related stuff?  Was it just being tossed and so was okay to salvage?  Did the companies just not really care as they had so much?  I know that the places I've worked have had different opinions about taking stuff home, some were fine with taking out of date and discard stuff, while others were upset if you so much as left with a pencil.  One McDonalds I worked for back in the 80's considered it stealing if you ate so much as a french fry that was being trashed from aging out, I think it was 15 minutes in the warmer back then and then it was trashed, while another store across town felt that discard food was fair game for employees and their friends/families.

Not being judgmental here of Maureen's dad.  Just curious how the Bell System viewed this issue. 

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 25, 2012, 01:42:41 AM
I think there was the official company line, and then there was reality.  I knew a guy that worked at the Western Electric warehouse in Portland, OR who had a basement full of stuff that all hitched a ride home in his lunchbox.  He was a customer on my paper route when I was a kid.  He knew I had a curiosity in phones, and he was very instrumental in teaching me about phones, and he donated several goodies to my cause.

I think it was probably a widespread thing that everyone knew went on, but did little to stop.  In an age of zero tolerance for anything, this would probably not happen today, even if the Bell System were still around.

In strictest theory, almost any old phone any of us have was "appropriated" if you know what I mean (wink, wink).
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 01:46:34 AM
Quote from: McHeath on November 25, 2012, 01:13:08 AM
Late to this party, where have I been, and what a party it is!  An amazing collection, the stuff of phone legends here.

Now I have a question maybe some of you who worked for the phone company back then would know about, what was the legality of an employee taking home so much work related stuff?  Was it just being tossed and so was okay to salvage?  Did the companies just not really care as they had so much?  I know that the places I've worked have had different opinions about taking stuff home, some were fine with taking out of date and discard stuff, while others were upset if you so much as left with a pencil.  One McDonalds I worked for back in the 80's considered it stealing if you ate so much as a french fry that was being trashed from aging out, I think it was 15 minutes in the warmer back then and then it was trashed, while another store across town felt that discard food was fair game for employees and their friends/families.

Not being judgmental here of Maureen's dad.  Just curious how the Bell System viewed this issue. 


That is certainly a fair question, one that I had too. I actually called two of his co-workers for some answers. My Dad did get some of his collection from work (everything he could take when they disposed of it, or upgraded). I was told they "junked" a lot during the 40 years with the phone Co. What I didn't know until I asked his old co-worker was because of his LOVE for the Co. he worked for and his passion for collecting, that after he retired he spent the rest of his life going  to telephone auctions, shows, estate sales, etc. I have boxes and boxes of receipts from what he purchased and that is why I feel confident in showing his collection. I actually found a receipt today for a 302 phone he bought in 2010. If I thought for a minute it was stolen I would not only be disappointed but I would be in shock. Luckily my Dad left me the collection along with receipts! Now, boy am I glad he didn't throw ANYTHING away! LOL
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 01:57:07 AM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 25, 2012, 01:42:41 AM
I think there was the official company line, and then there was reality.  I knew a guy that worked at the Western Electric warehouse in Portland, OR who had a basement full of stuff that all hitched a ride home in his lunchbox.  He was a customer on my paper route when I was a kid.  He knew I had a curiosity in phones, and he was very instrumental in teaching me about phones, and he donated several goodies to my cause.

I think it was probably a widespread thing that everyone knew went on, but did little to stop.  In an age of zero tolerance for anything, this would probably not happen today, even if the Bell System were still around.

In strictest theory, almost any old phone any of us have was "appropriated" if you know what I mean (wink, wink).

Now, with all being said, I'm still trying to figure out how explain the 1969 IL Bell 100 ft Microwave BOOM truck parked in his driveway?!! LOL
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 25, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
....Probably was not smuggled home in his lunch box.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Bill on November 25, 2012, 12:49:10 PM
I think photos 23 and 24 are a microwave-generating or -amplifying tube of some kind, probably a TWT (travelling wave tube). Just for the fun of it, compare your tube to the pictures here.

http://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx13.en.html

I'll see if I can pull up some detail. I'm thinking the blue numbers say "W5/2GD"?

Bill
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: McHeath on November 25, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
Thanks for the replies and very interesting.  Times have certainly changed and things are tracked a lot harder it seems now.  Some years ago our schools "upgraded" their math textbooks, and all "obsolete" books were to be destroyed.  Not given away, not donated, destroyed.  I kept a stack in a corner of my classroom to sit a fan on, seemed a good use of them, and there were there for a long time until they got spied by an admin one day.  "What are those doing in here?  They are to be destroyed."

Our school sites have literally rooms full of "obsolete" computers and such that are sitting there, gathering dust.  No one is allowed to take them, nor sell them, nor donate them.  It's a shame as they could be doing someone some good.  (these are mostly Macintoshs from the 1999 to 2008 era)  My school alone has over 30 iBooks dating from 2004-06 collecting dust bunnies, all functional. 

That also makes sense that your dad kept on collecting long after he stopped working, as it was clearly more than a job for him. 

More than once the question of owning a phone that says, "Bell System property, not for sale" has come up eh?  Since they are long defunct the matter is settled. 

A boom truck!  That's worth a picture.

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on November 25, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Back in the 1960s and 70s, Western Electric had a refurbishing plant and warehouse in Montebello (East L.A.)  Many times we tried to get stuff from their junk piles, and each time they told us that all "junk" was to be destroyed.  We wanted some Motorola mobile radios that has been taken out of obsolete older Bell System mobile phones.  They wouldn't sell us any at any price.  Instead, they took these perfectly good (and expensive) radios out to a vacant lot and crushed them with a bulldozer.  Then they sold what was left as scrap metal.

On the other hand, we have previously discussed all the phone equipment that "accidentally" fell out of phone trucks in the old days and magically landed in our garages.  So, in spite of their best efforts, it seems their inventory control was haphazard at best (yay!).
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 02:40:39 PM
Check out more stuff I found today. It just keeps coming!!
Is the first picture a CAR PHONE?? It's huge and heavy! But it did make my heart go pitter patter! The phone in the 2nd picture is actually new!! Take a look.
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 02:41:19 PM
More pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 02:44:41 PM
more pics. I love the tiny little tool set!!!
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 25, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
The car phone examples are also collectible, but know that this is only part of the whole phone.  The control head mounted in the car usually under the dash or on the hump, and consisted of the handset, cradle, and sometimes a dial.  The rest was the actual VHF radio that usually mounted in the trunk, and would have been made by GE or Motorola.  There would have been some thick cables to connect them together, and an antenna.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 25, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
The car phone examples are also collectible, but know that this is only part of the whole phone.  The control head mounted in the car usually under the dash or on the hump, and consisted of the handset, cradle, and sometimes a dial.  The rest was the actual VHF radio that usually mounted in the trunk, and would have been made by GE or Motorola.  There would have been some thick cables to connect them together, and an antenna.

I have it all! It just wasn't pretty enough to take a picture. :D
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 25, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
I didn't realize the phone connected like this. My husband said you wear it?!!
Huh?
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 25, 2012, 03:20:28 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 25, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
The car phone examples are also collectible, but know that this is only part of the whole phone.  The control head mounted in the car usually under the dash or on the hump, and consisted of the handset, cradle, and sometimes a dial.  The rest was the actual VHF radio that usually mounted in the trunk, and would have been made by GE or Motorola.  There would have been some thick cables to connect them together, and an antenna.
Bill beat me to the punch with his answer, ans he is absolutely correct. There is only one photo which shows the actual radio portion and head - there is a chance your father had the trunk units for the others.

We used to convert these, in particular the Motrac units to use on Ham Radio  back in the day.

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: dsk on November 25, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
My father used those when he served, and that plug fits the BD71 & BD72 Switchboards and the EE-8 field telephone.

You may see (click on it) a picture down on this page: http://tinyurl.com/cswbne5 (http://tinyurl.com/cswbne5)

I guess the EE-8 phone is the longest lasting field telephone ever made.
The first were made about 1936 (please correct me if I'm wrong) and it was used to about 1970 in the Norwegian forces.

dsk

(http://www.1142combatengineers.com/images/BD-72%20Swithboard.jpg)
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Bill on November 25, 2012, 04:14:12 PM
I have a buddy who has stashed several of the trunk-mounted transmitters that Phonesrfun mentions for the phones in picture 12. He would be glad to get rid of them at a VERY modest price, if anyone cares. Cables, manuals, spare parts, too.

I still have the phone in picture 20 mounted in my truck. I don't think it has much value. Or maybe it is worth more than my truck - wouldn't take much!

As you are discovering, Motorola had some kind of relationship with the Bell System, as a developer of new equipment, but more important as a co-operative inventor of new concepts. I'm not sure what that relationship was, but I do know that for stuff involving RF and transmitters, Chicago and the 312 area code was some kind of experimental area as far as the FCC was concerned, as well. Motorola could apply to the FCC for special permissions for experimental stuff, and the FCC would find a way to structure permissions that could not be had anywhere else in the country. I worked for Motorola C&E (Communications and Electronics) Division on West Augusta Blvd for several years in the late 60's, and witnessed a lot of the develoment work on both mobile phones and pagers, as well as on walkie-talkies and portable / mobile gear. It was a blast for a kid fresh out of college to be part of all this.

Bill
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 27, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Does anyone know what the big gray thing is with the dials on it? Just curious.
Thanks,
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 27, 2012, 11:57:51 PM
Need to see more of it.  Maybe a PA (Public Address) amplifier?

Are there tubes inside?  Connections on the back for inputs and outputs?  Is the speaker shown in the photo hooked up to it?  More questions than answers.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: LarryInMichigan on November 28, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: Bill on November 25, 2012, 04:14:12 PM
As you are discovering, Motorola had some kind of relationship with the Bell System, as a developer of new equipment, but more important as a co-operative inventor of new concepts. I'm not sure what that relationship was, but I do know that for stuff involving RF and transmitters, Chicago and the 312 area code was some kind of experimental area as far as the FCC was concerned, as well. Motorola could apply to the FCC for special permissions for experimental stuff, and the FCC would find a way to structure permissions that could not be had anywhere else in the country. I worked for Motorola C&E (Communications and Electronics) Division on West Augusta Blvd for several years in the late 60's, and witnessed a lot of the develoment work on both mobile phones and pagers, as well as on walkie-talkies and portable / mobile gear. It was a blast for a kid fresh out of college to be part of all this.

Bill

Don't overlook the fact that the Motorola division which designed and made all of these things was (and perhaps still is) located in the Chicago area.  I had a couple of job interviews at Motorola in Arlington Heights decades ago.  One was with the group who designed mobile radio telephones.  One of the engineers gave me a ride in his car and showed me the equipment which he and all of the members of the group got to install in their personal vehicles so that they could do real life testing of the products.

Larry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Bill on November 28, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
Larry -

Good to know that they are still in the area - and good to know that they still exist! When I joined Motorola, SPD (the Semiconductor Products Division) had just moved to Phoenix. They had a good run there, but in the end couldn't compete with the Asian semiconductor companies. The Motorola building is still there (actually in Scottsdale), but now says General Dynamics on the front.

As far as C&E Division goes, it had begun the move to the western suburbs of Chicago - Schaumberg, as I recall - while I was there. Augusta Blvd on the near west side, especially during the Richard Daly regime, had ceased to be a viable location for a copany employing a lot of high tech workers.

Yes, Motorola was very good about asking its engineers to field-test prototypes and pre-production versions of new devices. I remember a bunch of going skiing in Upper Micigan with brand-new HT-220 Handie-Talkies in our pockets. And I had a mobile phone in my beat-up old Oldsmobile! Fun!

Bill
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: LarryInMichigan on November 28, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
Bill,

You're right.  The division which did the radio telephones was in Schaumburg.  I was confusing it with the mobile phone division in Arlington Heights where I also interviewed.  It was all so long ago.  When I was young, a good friend of my mother's married the president of the semiconductor division and moved to Phoenix or Scottsdale.  I do not recall his name.

Larry
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on November 28, 2012, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on November 27, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Does anyone know what the big gray thing is with the dials on it? Just curious.
Thanks,
Maureen
It looks like it might be homemade.  Any I.D. tags/model numbers/etc?  Any plugs/sockets/cords?  Maybe a close-up of some of the rotary switches would help.

DF
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 28, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 27, 2012, 11:57:51 PM
Need to see more of it.  Maybe a PA (Public Address) amplifier?

Are there tubes inside?  Connections on the back for inputs and outputs?  Is the speaker shown in the photo hooked up to it?  More questions than answers.

I will take more pics next time I go there.
Thanks!
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on November 28, 2012, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Dave F on November 28, 2012, 02:24:47 PM
It looks like it might be homemade.  Any I.D. tags/model numbers/etc?  Any plugs/sockets/cords?  Maybe a close-up of some of the rotary switches would help.

DF

I will take more pics. I just thought there was a chance it was a common item that everyone would know about.

Ps. What do the autovon cards look like? Just curious, you never know if I come across it.
Thanks
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: DavePEI on November 28, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
It almost looks like it is a decade box...

Dave
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on November 29, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on November 28, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
It almost looks like it is a decade box...

Dave
That's what I was thinking too.  Judging from the kind of metal box and the labels on the switches, it could be homemade.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on November 29, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: MagicMo link=topic=7944.msg88088#msg88088
<snip>...What do the autovon cards look like? Just curious, you never know if I come across it.
Thanks
Maureen
Hi Maureen,

Thanks for asking.  Boy, wouldn't that be something if you found some of those!  Not too likely, as these were only used by the military -- unless your dad also did telco work on military bases.

The phone is called an AUTOVON Card Dialer, similar to more common commercial Card Dialers made by WECo, but it uses different cards.  The special AUTOVON cards (see pic below) are made from white-colored plastic, are about the size of playing cards, and have letters and a star (as well as numbers) printed on them.  As far as I can tell, none have ever been found, and the picture below has been Photoshopped to show what they look like.

FYI, AUTOVON is an acronym for AUTOmatic VOice Network, a 1960s-70s military communication system.  While not as rare as Picturephones, all AUTOVON relics are very difficult to find and are highly prized by those of us who collect them.

It was very nice of you to ask -- Thanks again!

Dave

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on December 29, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
Hello All,
I got a few small things I found that I think are cool. I have not gone through everything yet. Still trucking along though. Check out the strike posters! One is cloth one is cardboard. I love the Snoopy bumper sticker!!!
~Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on December 29, 2012, 07:36:27 PM
more pics
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on December 29, 2012, 07:38:23 PM
more
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: david@london on December 29, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
amazing photos maureen.......... you really have got a great collection there.

what's the big bell system wooden thing ?
looks to me like a yacht's rudder handle.

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Russ Kirk on December 29, 2012, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: david@london on December 29, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
amazing photos maureen.......... you really have got a great collection there.

what's the big bell system wooden thing ?
looks to me like a yacht's rudder handle.

It is a tool to shape and bend  lead sheath cables for outside plant.  They are used on work on pole and in manholes.

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on December 30, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
Miscellaneous pics:
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on December 30, 2012, 01:33:12 PM
I have boxes full of street guides, directories, magazines and books. Here are just a few:
Thanks
~Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on January 10, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
Found this phone with a jack thingy on it.
Anyone know about it?
Thanks,
Mo
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Phonesrfun on January 10, 2013, 10:13:30 PM
Looks like a headset jack for a 52 headset.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on January 10, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on January 10, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
Found this phone with a jack thingy on it.
Anyone know about it?
Thanks,
Mo
It's a jack/controller for a 1980s vintage Plantronics StarSet lightweight headset. There is (at least) one on eBay right now.  Click Here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plantronics-Starset-Supra-complete-in-box-BROWN-Plus-JackSet-and-Phone-/290841014984?pt=Headsets&hash=item43b779b2c8/) to see it.

DF
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on January 10, 2013, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: Dave F on January 10, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on January 10, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
Found this phone with a jack thingy on it.
Anyone know about it?
Thanks,
Mo
It's a jack/controller for a 1980s vintage Plantronics StarSet lightweight headset. There is (at least) one on eBay right now.  Click Here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plantronics-Starset-Supra-complete-in-box-BROWN-Plus-JackSet-and-Phone-/290841014984?pt=Headsets&hash=item43b779b2c8/) to see it.

DF



Thanks! It's ugly, that's for sure.
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Greg G. on January 11, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
Quote from: MagicMo on January 10, 2013, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: Dave F on January 10, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: MagicMo on January 10, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
Found this phone with a jack thingy on it.
Anyone know about it?
Thanks,
Mo
It's a jack/controller for a 1980s vintage Plantronics StarSet lightweight headset. There is (at least) one on eBay right now.  Click Here (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plantronics-Starset-Supra-complete-in-box-BROWN-Plus-JackSet-and-Phone-/290841014984?pt=Headsets&hash=item43b779b2c8/) to see it.

DF



Thanks! It's ugly, that's for sure.

Be careful, you'll hurt it's feelings!  :D
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dan/Panther on January 11, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
Maureen;
They sell 1 inch thick pieces of those cables on eBay. I think they get a decent price for them.
D/P
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: MagicMo on January 13, 2013, 12:53:24 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on January 11, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
Maureen;
They sell 1 inch thick pieces of those cables on eBay. I think they get a decent price for them.
D/P

Hi Dan,
I saw that. I thought about asking  my local deli to use their lunch meat slicer. LOL
Maureen
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: dsk on January 13, 2013, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: dsk on November 22, 2012, 03:50:11 PM
Maureen, dear fellow collectors, I guess it is the right time to come with a warning.

Telephones may have an effect of addiction, you may only keep one or two as a start...

For us others, we will welcome you, and the most of us will be more happy to have you here, than we we will be sorry for not getting our fingers into your great collection.

dsk
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: poplar1 on January 20, 2013, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Dave F on November 29, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: MagicMo link=topic=7944.msg88088#msg88088
<snip>...What do the autovon cards look like? Just curious, you never know if I come across it.
Thanks
Maureen
Hi Maureen,

Thanks for asking.  Boy, wouldn't that be something if you found some of those!  Not too likely, as these were only used by the military -- unless your dad also did telco work on military bases.

The phone is called an AUTOVON Card Dialer, similar to more common commercial Card Dialers made by WECo, but it uses different cards.  The special AUTOVON cards (see pic below) are made from white-colored plastic, are about the size of playing cards, and have letters and a star (as well as numbers) printed on them.  As far as I can tell, none have ever been found, and the picture below has been Photoshopped to show what they look like.

FYI, AUTOVON is an acronym for AUTOmatic VOice Network, a 1960s-70s military communication system.  While not as rare as Picturephones, all AUTOVON relics are very difficult to find and are highly prized by those of us who collect them.

It was very nice of you to ask -- Thanks again!

Dave



Here's another style card for the Autovon Card Dialer:
Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: Dave F on January 20, 2013, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: poplar1 on January 20, 2013, 10:28:45 PM

Here's another style card for the Autovon Card Dialer:
Close, but no cigar!

Although this card does encode all 16 touchtone frequency combinations, it is not an AUTOVON card.  It is used in a prototype Card Dialer, model number F58554 (~1972).  These sets were designed to be high-reliability replacements for the standard Card Dialers of that era.  The keypad on the phone has only 12 buttons, but the card reader can encode all 16 tones, just as an AUTOVON dial does.  According to anecdotal reports, F58554 Card Dialers were tested within the Bell System and were used mainly for ordering parts from W.E.  The special characters on the cards (a,b,c,d) were part of the order entry process.  About that time, Touch A Matics and other dialers with solid-state memory became available, essentially making Card Dialers obsolete.  The F58554 never went into mass production, and today both the phone and it's associated cards are rare relics.

I have only seen two of these phones.  One is in my collection, and the other is in the JKL museum.  I had been planning to present a more complete discussion of this phone at a later date, and may still do so.  In the meantime, here is a picture.

DF

Title: Re: My Dad's 40 Years with Illinois Bell and his "Collection"
Post by: poplar1 on January 20, 2013, 11:42:25 PM
Sorry, I was mistaken. I'll keep looking.