I won this auction last month, and just got the phone today.
The closest I can come to a match is a 5302.
Can anyone else shed some light on if I'm correct or not. Here is the link, McHeath maybe you better not look. >:( >:( ;D
Link no longer valid.
Here are some pictures I took Today. With shipping to my door...$24.21. ::)
D/P
That is indeed a 5302. It opens clam-like, with a 302 base and ringer. The handset is an F1. That was a pretty good buy. That phone should have a 5M dial. From what I understand the "M" designates it is a "modification" of the 5H. Looks like a great pick-up. That's a long time to wait but it looks like it may be worth it. You'll notice that the back of the phone is shorter....kind of chopped off compared to the model 500.
The ringer vent which is on the base is missing the screen but a piece of loosely woven black fabric, or a piece of screening material will work there. The 5302's also had that adjustable ringer. The leather feet attach with screws so they can be recovered or replaced. They were not riveted on like the 500 models.
nice phone, and i like the radio at the back, hahahaha....
Looks like you indeed got a good deal.
Just as a side note, not all 5302s have the ringer adjustment, although it appears as though yours does. Mine does not-it presumably was made in 1951, as per the date on the dial(all other components are dated '41). Mine also has a straight black plastic handset cord, not unlike the one on my 500 from '52.
Apparently, various changes were made over the course of 5302 production. The earlier ones retained their F-1 handset, while later ones had a G-1 with special caps to allow the use of the transmitter/receiver elements from the F-1 handset. Also, a good many of the ones I've seen for sale have a #6 dial-a #5 would presumably be more desirable.
The Radio is a Philco PT-93, and was used as a prop during the filming of the Movie "Seabiscuit". It plays like new.
One of my showpieces.
D/P
Quote from: Dan/Panther on October 14, 2008, 09:56:40 PM
The Radio is a Philco PT-93, and was used as a prop during the filming of the Movie "Seabiscuit". It plays like new.
One of my showpieces.
D/P
Anyone here had one of their phones make a movie appearance? I sold a TV lamp to DreamWorks that was used in the film,
Disturbia, but that's the only time one of my babies made the big screen.
Nice Dan. Both mine use the #6 dial.
Okay I looked. :o
Nice lookin' phone, and it's real clean as well. Does it work well? That was clever of Ma Bell to reuse those 302s that way, but can you imagine the stink that would happen today if someone tried a move this obvious? Say Apple or someone reskins products made in 1994 and tries to pass them off as new computers. A lot of car makers used to do something like this, my 73' Chevy pickup was pretty much the same thing as my dad's 86' model, only his had a few sheet metal changes to "update" it, but I don't know if they are doing this anymore.
Thank you guys for correcting me on the dials. I have only two 5302's and they both have the 5M dial. I should not have assumed they all have that dial. Pretty much anything is possible with some of the field repair that was done and obviously they were released with the #6. One of mine does have the G series handset with the adapters for the F1 elements.
Talking about hybrids, Radios especially Pre, and Post WWII radiois, will have the same cabinets. Totally different chassis.
D/P
Quote from: Mark Stevens on October 14, 2008, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on October 14, 2008, 09:56:40 PM
The Radio is a Philco PT-93, and was used as a prop during the filming of the Movie "Seabiscuit". It plays like new.
One of my showpieces.
D/P
Anyone here had one of their phones make a movie appearance? I sold a TV lamp to DreamWorks that was used in the film, Disturbia, but that's the only time one of my babies made the big screen.
None of mine ever made it to the movies, but I always think it's funny when I watch a movie and they have an incorrect phone for the time....like a movie that takes place in the 50s and it's obvious it has modular cords.
Speaking of which, the movie "The Sting" is loaded with common, but era correct telephones. Only exception is some of the sticks have bulldog transmitters. Guess it depends on exactly the year the movie takes place in. Funny thing is, I can't remember ever seeing a radio except once in that film.
I've always thought that the stick in the court house in Andy Griffith looked a bit out of place. It seems to me as though in the mid to late '50s, candlesticks would have been almost entirely out of use(although Bell did permit 151AL sticks to remain in service).
We've been watching a lot of retro TV these days with our new digital telle and new roof antenna. (I'm way too cheap to pay for cable or anything like that) Been fun seeing all the 500s and 554s and 302s in old shows as well as hearing that classic ring.
How does the ring adjuster work on these 5302s? I've looked long and hard at my 354s ringer trying to figure out how they made some sort of way to adjust it.
It's just a small tab that moves the outer most bell, in or out farther from the striker. The outer most bell sits on a small plate that moves with the adjustment tab. You can also adjust the bells themselves for further note or amplitude change, just as you can on any of the 302 type sets.
Quote from: benhutcherson on October 15, 2008, 05:42:41 PM
I've always thought that the stick in the court house in Andy Griffith looked a bit out of place. It seems to me as though in the mid to late '50s, candlesticks would have been almost entirely out of use(although Bell did permit 151AL sticks to remain in service).
Actually, not true. In the 50s, and into the 60s many rural small town telephone companies still carried older equipment. While I would bet 95% of the stick phones were gone by 1960, it's still era correct if you get down to the nitty-gritty. Of course that old phone is supposed to give you the feeling of old fashioned home town type people.
Look at my great grandmother, who kept her D1/202 style phone in the same house since the 1930s. She died never having owned a phone any more modern than a 354 wall phone. This is right in the heart of a major city, Detroit. With the main exchange right around the corner from her. Plus, well into the touch-tone era.
Quote from: Dan/Panther on October 15, 2008, 12:50:58 AM
Talking about hybrids, Radios especially Pre, and Post WWII radiois, will have the same cabinets. Totally different chassis.
D/P
I can swear to that. I have two totally different model Bendix table radios, ca 1947.
They both use the exact same bakelite case. One is a two band, six tube radio that the chassis is a basket case.
The other is an AM only with a three gang tuner. The case was broken, and, chipped.
I had case for junker proffessionally re painted. I am putting the AM only chassis in it. That chassis is mint.
Bill Cahill
Quote from: BDM on October 15, 2008, 09:07:20 PMLook at my great grandmother, who kept her D1/202 style phone in the same house since the 1930s. She died never having owned a phone any more modern than a 354 wall phone. This is right in the heart of a major city, Detroit. With the main exchange right around the corner from her. Plus, well into the touch-tone era.
Not to go on about this, but repairmen were told to try to replace any out of date equipment they encountered in their daily travels. BUT... If the subscriber insisted that their telephone not be changed, the repairmen were instructed to honor the subscriber's wishes and leave the phone in place. So those who were used to their old phone and didn't want to change it, could have kept it indefinitely.
Of course it's also the case that many subscribers' telephones
never needed repair, and not having a repairman out to even try to replace the equipment, it would have remained, too.
My folks lost their rotary phones in 84' when Pacific Telesis came out to install the RJ-11 plugs. Mom claims that they told her she could not keep her rotarys, but I dunno, they may have simply pulled them and told her she was getting a deal, she's not all that forceful about such things.
I think all bets were probably off in 1984. That was the year everything changed. :(
Bing, that's probably how most survived way beyond their service life. The subscriber never called in for service. I would imaging my great grandmother never called for service. She rarely used the phone anyhow.
My grandmother always had an overhead phone line. She never got her line buried. She never complained about being the only one in the neighborhood with an overhead line. The phone always worked and that is what mattered the most to her.
I re-read this thread this morning, it was kind of embarrassing, I didn't know what a 5302 was.
D/P
Quote from: Dan/Panther on May 14, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
I re-read this thread this morning, it was kind of embarrassing, I didn't know what a 5302 was.
D/P
That's nothing; in my first post, I thought an early Green 500 with a Gray cord was really Med Blue painted Green!
Quote from: Dan/Panther on May 14, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
I re-read this thread this morning, it was kind of embarrassing, I didn't know what a 5302 was.
Well, that was in 2008. Everyone learns on this site, it one way or another, about this, that and the other thing even short periods of time, much less close to 8 years ago.
I think it is safe to say we all, except for a very few, have an embarrassing post or two or more on this forum. ;)
This made me go back and find my first post in the Introductions area. I didn't know how to determine the manufacture date on a 500. I had two phones at that time. I'm at around 100 now and losing count, and I still have those first two phones!
Quote from: WEBellSystemChristian on May 14, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
That's nothing; in my first post, I thought an early Green 500 with a Gray cord was really Med Blue painted Green!
I actually have one of those.
Jim S.
Quote from: Jim S. on May 16, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
I actually have one of those.
Jim S.
Really? Have pictures?
I'll have to find the camera . I took the phone to the KS show so it is in a box in the dining room.
Grey handset cord and a long brown cloth line cord, Green dial. At one time I thought I found a reference that justified the cloth cord. I have never been able to locate the reference again.
Jim S.
As for your brown cord, what is the date on the strain relief? If several years older than the phone, it's possible that the installer reused the existing cord on a 302, rather than move furniture to get to the 42A connecting block.
I have a 10-57 matching dates 500, aqua blue, with aqua blue handset cord and long gray mounting cord. I'm guessing that it was the long cord that the installer had on his truck. Or, perhaps, long cords in aqua were not yet available.
Several of us have painted aqua blue 500s that were originally Mediterranean blue: the housings are Med. blue inside, and the dials are coded 7C-57. I'm guessing that they used up "obsolete" stock to make these, installing of course new aqua blue cords and new aqua blue dial number plate. (Can't recall about the handset, but it, too, may have been originally med. blue.) These phones don't have refurb dates, as I recall, so I wonder if they were sold as "new."
When "telco property" phones were given back to WE, so that they could be remanufactured, they could be reissued in whatever color the local telco needed. So, phones were painted black that might have red, pink, yellow, or whatever color underneath, even a mixture of former colors.
There do seem to be, for example, other examples where the painted color matches the original, even in the late 50s. (I have a yellow soft plastic one like this.)
In the 80s or 90s, they seemed to match the existing colors when painting old parts, more often than not.
This was the topic where I posted some of my first responses. This is also where my love of Med Blue started! :P
Poplar1 really helped me through the first few months with basic 500 knowledge!
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=9885
Sorry for the topic hijack. Maybe we need an "Our First Posts" sticky topic... ::)
I'm not sure where I posted my first post. The first thread I started was in late November of 2014 and it was about a 1953 WE 500 that had a 1973 dial.
Quote from: andre_janew on May 18, 2016, 06:54:40 PM
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Technical "Stuff" / Re: Modular Adapters and 4 Prong Plugs/Jacks for Spade Cords
« on: November 01, 2014, 06:44:00 PM »
A long time ago, one could find a modular plug in various types of stores that one could use to replace a 4 prong plug. All that was needed was a simple screwdriver. Nowadays, where can one find such a modular plug? What does one do when all they have are three spade terminals at the end of the line cord?