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NEW 1937 302!!!

Started by HarrySmith, January 15, 2014, 01:27:41 PM

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poplar1

Sargeguy, was it an all-dates-matching 302? What are the dates of the parts, esp. the handset?
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

Sargeguy

#46
The base is dated 9-37, the ringer is blank, the 101A network and condenser are marked III 37.  The handset is dated 4-29-37, the HA1 is 11-18-37, the receiver cap is blank, the transmitter element is 3-37 and the cap is 11-15-37.  The 4H is undated, the 149-B is dated IV-37.  The 302 has the small plungers, vents, plastic sheathed condenser, riveted feet, padded ringer  etc.  characteristic of an early 37, despite the late dates.  Personally I prefer the F-1, an E-1 makes the phone look like Bullwinkle.
Greg Sargeant
Providence, RI
TCI /ATCA #4409

poplar1

#47
So far the ungrooved F1 handles found are dated as follows:

IV 36                    --Doug found painted green on a 202
3/37                     --K1WI's 3/37 302 NOS with 4H dial
3-08-37                --Ebay listing for separate handset ending yesterday
4-29-37                --Sargeguy's 9-37 302 with 4H dial
5-37                     --Paul-f.com
5-20-37
6 01 37                --302 for sale on Ebay 2016-09-10               
?                          --The 6-37 Ebay 302 that started this thread with 5H dial
6 07 37                   Kenton's handset he sold on Ebay  (resold on Ebay May?, 2016)
6 12 37                   jfehl1's 6-37 302 sold March, 2015 (not the field trial set)
9 29 37                 --on 9-37 302 with 5H III 37 (listed on Ebay 2016-05-22)
10 18 37               --Kenton listed on Ebay July, 2016: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122044582940
11-16-37              --Kenton found on a 202



The earliest grooved F1 handles found:

6 03 37  John's 7-37 field trial 302 #8121 sold March, 2015


6 11 37                 -- on 6-37 302 with 5H listed on Ebay 5/22/16


6-12-37 (June 08)--poplar 1's 7-37 field trial 302  #8224 with dial blank

7 ? 37 -- mostly original 7-37 302 (not field trial) I purchased June, 2015


9 08 37 -- on 8-37 302 for sale on Ebay 2016-07-07 http://www.ebay.com/itm/112049594780

10 25 37  -- on 10-37 302 (with 5HB IV 37) -- sold April, 2016 on Ebay # 111963912086

The '38s are outnumbering the '37s at least 10 to 1 (in my personal inventory).




"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

Kenton K

I must have a really late ungrooved handle. It has a date of 11-16-37, so Nov 16, 1937.


Doug Rose

The IV 36 was mine. I found it painted green on a D1, looked like a home brew. I had original dated E1s on my manual 302 and dial 302 so I sold it. I got $75 for it and it was in really nice shape, paint had preserved it. It was on eBay a week and only one bid. I was floored when I saw this go for almost $300. Inflation  ;D

Sometimes the bear bites you!!!...Doug
Kidphone

poplar1

ADD: 6-19-37 F1 handle on Doug's 7-37 302


Quote from: poplar1 on February 03, 2014, 10:10:39 PM
The earliest grooved F1 handles found:

6 03 37  John's 7-37 field trial 302 #8121 sold March, 2015


6 11 37                 -- on 6-37 302 with 5H listed on Ebay 5/22/16


6-12-37 (June 08)--poplar 1's 7-37 field trial 302  #8224 with dial blank

7 ? 37 -- mostly original 7-37 302 (not field trial) I purchased June, 2015


9 08 37 -- on 8-37 302 for sale on Ebay 2016-07-07 http://www.ebay.com/itm/112049594780

10 25 37  -- on 10-37 302 (with 5HB IV 37) -- sold April, 2016 on Ebay # 111963912086

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"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

poplar1

Quote from: poplar1 on February 03, 2014, 10:10:39 PMSo far the ungrooved F1 handles found are dated as follows:

IV 36                    --Doug found painted green on a 202
3/37                     --K1WI's 3/37 302 NOS with 4H dial
3-08-37                --Ebay listing for separate handset ending yesterday
4-29-37                --Sargeguy's 9-37 302 with 4H dial
5-37                     --Paul-f.com
5-20-37
6 01 37                --302 for sale on Ebay 2016-09-10               
?                          --The 6-37 Ebay 302 that started this thread with 5H dial
6 07 37                   Kenton's handset he sold on Ebay  (resold on Ebay May?, 2016)
6 12 37                   jfehl1's 6-37 302 sold March, 2015 (not the field trial set)
9 29 37                 --on 9-37 302 with 5H III 37 (listed on Ebay 2016-05-22)
10 18 37               --Kenton listed on Ebay July, 2016: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122044582940
11-16-37              --Kenton found on a 202



The earliest grooved F1 handles found:

6 03 37  John's 7-37 field trial 302 #8121 sold March, 2015


6 11 37                 -- on 6-37 302 with 5H listed on Ebay 5/22/16


6-12-37 (June 08)--poplar 1's 7-37 field trial 302  #8224 with dial blank

7 ? 37 -- mostly original 7-37 302 (not field trial) I purchased June, 2015


9 08 37 -- on 8-37 302 for sale on Ebay 2016-07-07 http://www.ebay.com/itm/112049594780

10 25 37  -- on 10-37 302 (with 5HB IV 37) -- sold April, 2016 on Ebay # 111963912086

The '38s are outnumbering the '37s at least 10 to 1 (in my personal inventory).


Add: 4 21 37 ungrooved F1 -- Robert Guth
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

MMikeJBenN27

I think this phone is a Ma Bell refurb, not an untouched NOS item.

Mike

HarrySmith

WOW! I can't believe this topic is still going over 9 years later :o
Harry Smith
ATCA 4434
TCI

"There is no try,
there is only
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rdelius

Look on this site for my field trial set with a ungroved  handset

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rdelius


MMikeJBenN27

Wow!  Didn't notice the dates!  That is a long time to be debating this.

Mike

poplar1

#58
Quote from: poplar1 on February 03, 2014, 10:10:39 PMSo far the ungrooved F1 handles found are dated as follows:

IV 36                    --Doug found painted green on a 202
3/37                    --K1WI's 3/37 302 NOS with 4H dial
3-08-37                --Ebay listing for separate handset ending yesterday
4-29-37                --Sargeguy's 9-37 302 with 4H dial
5-37                    --Paul-f.com
5-20-37
6 01 37                --302 for sale on Ebay 2016-09-10             
?                          --The 6-37 Ebay 302 that started this thread with 5H dial
6 07 37                  Kenton's handset he sold on Ebay  (resold on Ebay May?, 2016)
6 12 37                  jfehl1's 6-37 302 sold March, 2015 (not the field trial set)
9 29 37                --on 9-37 302 with 5H III 37 (listed on Ebay 2016-05-22)
10 18 37              --Kenton listed on Ebay July, 2016: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122044582940
11-16-37              --Kenton found on a 202



The earliest grooved F1 handles found:

6 03 37  John's 7-37 field trial 302 #8121 sold March, 2015


6 11 37                -- on 6-37 302 with 5H listed on Ebay 5/22/16


6-12-37 (June 08)--poplar 1's 7-37 field trial 302  #8224 with dial blank

7 ? 37 -- mostly original 7-37 302 (not field trial) I purchased June, 2015


9 08 37 -- on 8-37 302 for sale on Ebay 2016-07-07 http://www.ebay.com/itm/112049594780

10 25 37  -- on 10-37 302 (with 5HB IV 37) -- sold April, 2016 on Ebay # 111963912086

The '38s are outnumbering the '37s at least 10 to 1 (in my personal inventory).


ADD: 4 28 37 grooveless F1 handset found on a junk 302 that I purchased to get the pre-1955 Atlanta number card. (Seller was asking $75 Buy It Now, but accepted my generous offer of $37.50 for a cracked 302.) I didn't even notice the ungrooved handset until I had the phone on the kitchen table. https://www.ebay.com/itm/235031759659

Anyone have any more dates for 1937 F1 handsets in your collections -- both standard (grooved) and grooveless ("seamless")? There was a manufacturing overlap of both 4H/5H dials (1937-1938) and  E1E/F1A handsets (1937-1938). Without stating that all 202s had 4H and E1, and that all 302s had 5H and F1 (they didn't),  there seems to be a collector's preference for 4H dials and for E1E handsets when restoring a 1937 302. Not sure why. In any case, the grooveless F1s and the "silent" 5H dials (with phenolic pulse pawl) are certainly less common than the 1937 4H dials and the 1937 E1 handsets. This is only the second grooveless F1 I've ever found -- albeit by luck this time.
"C'est pas une restauration, c'est une rénovation."--François Martin.

MMikeJBenN27

The base plate is indeed 1937 - it should even say so on the red stamping in front of the ringer - but that is a newer shell, which is not unusual, as Ma Bell would refurbish equipment over and over and over again.

Mike