Line Cord / 505A Plug Questions for 702B Princess Phone

[GLadstone]

Hi jsowers,

Gee, GLadstone, I had forgotten all about this project from four years ago. I'm glad you're finally completing it and taking all those pictures and making comments along the way. You are quite thorough!

Thanks!
Figured I could contribute to the forum in some small way for all the help received! 

I hope there are two parts-a top and a bottom half-to your restraint that holds the wingband. I only saw one half. I didn't look at the first page, so it could be there somewhere.

I hope I'm not missing something, but if I am I don't know what it could be...
I have all the pieces of the 505A plug as listed in the Bell System Practices (BSP) 461-630-105 Plugs for Portable Telephone Sets Identification and Connections found here:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=791.0
Direct link to BSP PDF:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=791.0;attach=2525
The 505A plug diagram can be seen on page four.

Thank you for making the pictures fairly small and easy to load. I can't wait for part two!

I'm glad to hear the pictures are loading quickly!
When I was writing the forum post, I wasn't sure how many photos the forum software would allow me to include in one topic, but they all appeared each time I "previewed" the topic! 

--Part 2 is now posted!--

Thank you again!

Take care,
GLadstone

[DavePEI]

Antique tool I used for tightening Wingband Restraint (from local flea market, more photos can be seen below)

This is actually a brake line flare tool designed for putting the flared ends on a brake line. There is also another part which links into it that you would wind down to drive the edges of the pipe into the flare.

I can see how it would work perfectly for this job!

Dave

[GLadstone]

Antique tool I used for tightening Wingband Restraint (from local flea market, more photos can be seen below)

This is actually a brake line flare tool designed for putting the flared ends on a brake line. There is also another part which links into it that you would wind down to drive the edges of the pipe into the flare.

I can see how it would work perfectly for this job!

Dave

Hi DavePEI,

Yes, the tool worked perfectly!

It took me quite a while to find something that would work...
From some PM discussions with Bingster as well as measurements taken of the five conductor cord/untightened wingband restraint, I discovered that I needed something ~1/4" to tighten the wingband restraint down.

I initially found and tried an old cast iron farm tool meant to crimp/wind wire fences, but the tool had a hinge on the crimping side and long handles on the other, so there was more pressure on one side than the other when tightening, leaving the wingband restraint kind of pinched (more than round). Maybe with more practice I could have got this tool to work better, but I did not have enough wingband restraints to practice on...

Then I spotted this old cast iron flaring tool at a flea market and thought it would work much better as the screws could be evenly tightened on both sides. The flea market seller did not have all the parts for the complete tool (if using it as designed), but I did not really need the missing part for the phone repair and I got a great deal on it! 

Tightening wingband restraint with (flaring) tool found at flea market (not specifically designed for phone repair).
Tool Patent information: http://www.google.com/patents/US1724697 ; http://www.google.com/patents/US2072359


I'd be curious to know what others are using to tighten their wingband restraints.

Take care,
GLadstone

12-22-2016 Edit:
Removed Picasa Web Album Text Link

12-27-2016 Edit:
Insert image links updated from Picasa Web Albums to GLadstone's CRPF member photo collection.

[jsowers]

I hope there are two parts-a top and a bottom half-to your restraint that holds the wingband. I only saw one half. I didn't look at the first page, so it could be there somewhere.

I hope I'm not missing something, but if I am I don't know what it could be...

Sorry, I made a mistake. You had everything. I somehow remembered wrong, that it had two pieces, but it actually just has one to clamp the wingband down. I think that's an ingenious design, BTW, and something a lot of people don't quite understand, so I'm glad you covered it in your post. It has the two small openings that the wingband sits in, and everything fits like a glove. Sometimes I find the clamp missing. I think with the fat heavy duty mounting cord of the 1960s and 70s it may not have been necessary.

For clamping a wingband or anything cord-size, I use a pair of crimpers meant for electrical spade lugs, sizes quite a bit larger than the phone variety. The jaws are not as round as what you used, but they work in a pinch. Pun intended. 

[GLadstone]

Hi jsowers,

I hope there are two parts-a top and a bottom half-to your restraint that holds the wingband. I only saw one half. I didn't look at the first page, so it could be there somewhere.

I hope I'm not missing something, but if I am I don't know what it could be...

Sorry, I made a mistake. You had everything.

Thank you for checking back in and verifying that I have all the necessary parts!

I somehow remembered wrong, that it had two pieces, but it actually just has one to clamp the wingband down. I think that's an ingenious design, BTW, and something a lot of people don't quite understand, so I'm glad you covered it in your post. It has the two small openings that the wingband sits in, and everything fits like a glove. Sometimes I find the clamp missing. I think with the fat heavy duty mounting cord of the 1960s and 70s it may not have been necessary.

I think the wingband restraint and cord fastener design was a really ingenious design as well-- elegantly simple.
(As I was fixing the line cord, I found I was adjusting the wingband restraint and cord fastener a lot because I found the design so much fun!  )
As a newbie, I know it can be hard to visualize things from 2D photos or drawings, so I took photos from a couple angles to help people, who may not have the parts in their hands, visualize how the pieces fit together...

For clamping a wingband or anything cord-size, I use a pair of crimpers meant for electrical spade lugs, sizes quite a bit larger than the phone variety. The jaws are not as round as what you used, but they work in a pinch. Pun intended. 

Ah, good to know!

Take care,
GLadstone

[GLadstone]

Hi Everyone,

I created a new topic about the same phone.

In case you are interested:
Western Electric 2012C Transformer Questions for 702B Princess Phone

Preview:

...I've been reading about the Western Electric 2012C transformer for the 702B Princess phone and want to make sure I have people more knowledgeable than I checking over my progress/plans before trying to plug the phone and transformer in the wall given electricity is involved (and all the warnings about possibly running the transformer electricity over home wiring)...

Overview:
-Basic Wiring/Questions
-Phone Jack Wiring Photos/Questions
-Line Cord/Plug Wiring/Questions
-Transformer Photos
-Parts Photos/List

Take care,
GLadstone

[GLadstone]

Hi Everyone,

Due to the closing of Google's Picasa Web Albums, I will be going through this topic and deleting all the Picasa Web Album text links as they are no longer working.

Edit 2:
All Picasa Web Album text links have been removed. 
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At this time, the images are working and should remain working (if Google keeps its promise):
https://support.google.com/picasa/answer/6383491

In any case, I am posting my topic archives of this topic as I don't have the time right now to resize and directly upload all these photos as attachments.
(Thinking as I type: Maybe I'll just download the images currently uploaded and attach those...  )

Edit 3 (12-23-2016):
I received permission from TelePlay to create a new topic just for photo attachments as many of these replies contain more than six images!
Thanks TelePlay! 

All currently uploaded images have been downloaded, numbered, and re-uploaded as attachments here:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=17316.0

All that remains is to change the original links to the new forum attachment links, but that will have to wait for another day...

Happy Holidays Everyone!
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Edit 5 (12-27-2016):
Insert image links updated from Picasa Web Albums to GLadstone's CRPF member photo collection.
End edit.


Web Archive (May 5, 2015):
Page 1:
http://web.archive.org/web/20150505184706/http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.0

Page 2:
http://web.archive.org/web/20150505184819/http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.15

Page 3:
http://web.archive.org/web/20150505185025/http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.30


Web Archive (12-22-2016- After removing Picasa Web Album Links)
Page 1:
http://web.archive.org/web/20161223070921/http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.0

Page 2:
http://web.archive.org/web/20161223071102/http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.15

Page 3:
http://web.archive.org/web/20161223071206/http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.30


The post keeps timing out with the PDF attachments, so I'll have to upload / share them via Google Drive.
I'll edit this post later...

Edit 1:
I forgot how many photos I took and shared! 
Note that the archive files are quite large...

Here is the shared Google Drive folder with all topic archives (PDF and jpg):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1pD8nZhz8vWd2tuVzctV3pWOFE
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Edit 4  (12-23-2016):
Since Google is also planning on migrating the Classic Google Sites to the New Google Sites in 2017-2018, I've added the archives of my supplemental / notes Classic Google Sites Notes website to the above referenced / linked Google Drive Folder.
I will also be changing the web link in my forum profile from the Google Sites website to the YouTube Channel.
(Just in case ).
End edit.

Edit 6 (12-27-2016):
For kicks and giggles and to see how long the Picasa Web Album (PWA) links really work, I've also added a PWA Photo Index (with the original / large photo links) to the Google Drive Folder linked above.

Hope that helps.

Take care,
GLadstone

12-27-2016
Topic archive complete! 

[GLadstone]

Hi Everyone,

A quick update:
With the TCI Library update (as noted in this topic here: http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=19323.0), I've been going through my topics searching for broken links.

Here is the wiring diagram I have been primarily using:
http://www.telephonecollectors.org/...702b.pdf
From here:
http://www.telephonecollectors.org/library/...weco.htm

12-22-2016 Edit:
Broken link --> Alternate link:
Search the TCI Library for 702b:
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/

Example:
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_details/2209-princess-telephones-702b-tl
End edit.

An update to the bolded link above:

TCI Library home page:
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/

Updated link for "702b" documents:
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/search?q=702b

If you find any other broken links, please send me a PM.
Thank you!

Take care,
GLadstone

[AE_Collector]

I must say that this is the PERFECT example of the forum being a location for knowledge to be passed on to others indefinitely. Sometimes moderators help members with picture problems as well as simply adding pictures where the OP could have put a little more effort into posting pictures to make the particular post a better reference for the future. But I know, frequently when we put up a post we don't see it as a great piece of information that many others will be interested in going forward. But in this case that most certainly is not the situation!

Gladstone put in a huge amount of effort initially and then stepped up to "fix it" after Picassa "wrecked it". I think there was help from John in creating the location on the forum where Gladstone could store the pictures permanently allowing the pictures to be imbedded in the text (like Picassa originally allowed) rather than at the bottom of each post as is the forums default mode.

Thanks to everyone involved in this and of course in particular, thanks Gladstone! For a member with only 76 posts on the forum.....don't ever leave us!

Terry

[GLadstone]

I must say that this is the PERFECT example of the forum being a location for knowledge to be passed on to others indefinitely. Sometimes moderators help members with picture problems as well as simply adding pictures where the OP could have put a little more effort into posting pictures to make the particular post a better reference for the future. But I know, frequently when we put up a post we don't see it as a great piece of information that many others will be interested in going forward. But in this case that most certainly is not the situation!

Gladstone put in a huge amount of effort initially and then stepped up to "fix it" after Picasso "wrecked it". I think there was help from John in creating the location on the forum where Gladstone could store the pictures permanently allowing the pictures to be imbedded in the text (like Picasso originally allowed) rather than at the bottom of each post as is the forums default mode.

Thanks to everyone involved in this and of course in particular, thanks Gladstone! For a member with only 76 posts on the forum.....don't ever leave us!

Terry

Hi AE_Collector,

Wow-- Thank you!

There is such a wealth of information generously shared on this forum:

I appreciate how everyone pitches in to answer questions with wiring double checks, BSP reference links, and drawings or photos for comparison.

And, I'm glad to contribute what I can!

Like most folks on the forum, I enjoy the process of problem-solving and searching through the archives for answers to questions.

I may not post a lot, but I have no plans to leave anytime soon as I have a number of little phone repair projects that are in various stages of completion...

Thank you all for your contributions to the CRPF, and for patiently helping newbies restore their phones to working service!

Take care,
GLadstone