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Telephone Talk => Auction Talk => Topic started by: KaiserFrazer67 on June 04, 2017, 10:40:56 PM

Title: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: KaiserFrazer67 on June 04, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Has anybody seen this beauty?  And if so, is this from a CRPF member?  I just spotted this with 2-1/2 days to go:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/332248736949 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/332248736949)

I didn't know that red versions were made--I thought just black and ivory.  The decal isn't one of the reproduction ones, and it still has the orange code stamped on the back, and the orange "Z" terminal stamp can be seen in the picture of the interior.  The codes on the back and the schematic inside the cover don't perfectly match, but they're close ("L5102 D6" on the back vs. "L5102 A6" on the schematic).  I don't know how significant that is, as unfortunately I'm not up on the AE 40/50 codes.  The only thing I've seen published here on the 'Net are Paul F.'s codes for the later AE 80/90/Starlite series.

Sure wish this one was in the CRPF Auction Contest...  if it is genuine (I don't see how it couldn't be), I can't imagine it selling for less than $700.00.

Wish I could afford it...  hope someone on here can.  Thought I'd point it out in case anyone missed it.  I hadn't seen any posts on this (but then again I haven't looked real hard).

-Tom M.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Desert Phone Guy on June 04, 2017, 11:02:59 PM
Jon Kolger is the seller of this phone.  He is a long time collector with an excellent reputation.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: TelePlay on June 04, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
Auction contest #262 was a red and there have been two greens as contest phones. In addition to that, there were a two greens that won FOTM with one going on to win FOTY.

Seems green is the most common on the forum so black, ivory, green brown and red for sure.


It was a 5 day auction that I missed or it would have been a contest phone, even if it started at $200. Too late now.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: KaiserFrazer67 on June 04, 2017, 11:35:10 PM
Thanks for the info, everyone.

I am familiar with the color options of the AE 40 desk phones--indeed, there are copies of the color brochure for them floating around on the 'Net--but I was unfamiliar with the colors in which the AE 50s were made.

Best wishes to all on here who are in the running for it.  If I had the geld, I'd be one of them, that's for sure!

-Tom M.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: TelePlay on June 04, 2017, 11:44:22 PM
Ah, might have spoken too soon. Most of the contest phones were AE 40s so maybe the colors available are different. AE_Collector would know as well as other members.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Alex G. Bell on June 04, 2017, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: TelePlay on June 04, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
Auction contest #262 was a red and there have been two greens as contest phones. In addition to that, there were a two greens that won FOTM with one going on to win FOTY.

Seems green is the most common on the forum so black, ivory, green brown and red for sure.

It was a 5 day auction that I missed or it would have been a contest phone, even if it started at $200. Too late now.
I have a blue and a red 50.  Both beautiful.  Also a black 35 in VGC.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Doug Rose on June 05, 2017, 07:16:47 AM
Alex....we would love to see some pictures....Doug
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: AE_Collector on June 05, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
Here is a bit more info on 40/50 color availability.

This is from the "Highlites of the AE 40/50 Code Breaking discussion" topic but as usual, there is more info that I need to add there.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=17454.msg180466#msg180466

Initially there were 2 or 3 of the available colors that were only available in 40's but later it seems that all colors were available for both 40's and 50's.

Terry
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Alex G. Bell on June 05, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: Doug Rose on June 05, 2017, 07:16:47 AM
Alex....we would love to see some pictures....Doug
Eventually.  I don't have the time now.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: HarrySmith on June 05, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
The seller, Jon, has an amazing collection of color AE's. He almost always has several up for sale.
I dont think he is a member here but is a long time member of the clubs.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Doug Rose on June 05, 2017, 12:52:35 PM
Jon Kolger is a memeber of the Forum and has a tremendous collection of color telephone. The King of Colors!....Doug
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: HarrySmith on June 05, 2017, 01:01:56 PM
Just listed a rare Dukane wall phone and is promising more to come!
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: unbeldi on June 05, 2017, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: TelePlay on June 04, 2017, 11:44:22 PM
Ah, might have spoken too soon. Most of the contest phones were AE 40s so maybe the colors available are different. AE_Collector would know as well as other members.

The color choices for the 50 were basically the same as for the Type 40 desk set.
This set was made in the mid 1950s, after 1952 at least, and had its ringer changed at one point from a high-impedance decimonic 20 Hz ringer to a low-impedance 33.3 Hz ringer.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: AE_Collector on June 06, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
Not the first time we have seen a set originally equipped with a high impedance ringer converted to a low impedance frequency ringer. I assume this is simply due to a telco or the installer having the correct frequency ringer on his truck even though it happens to be an older low impedance version.

Terry
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: unbeldi on June 07, 2017, 07:03:10 AM
Quote from: AE_Collector on June 06, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
Not the first time we have seen a set originally equipped with a high impedance ringer converted to a low impedance frequency ringer. I assume this is simply due to a telco or the installer having the correct frequency ringer on his truck even though it happens to be an older low impedance version.

Terry

I thought the low-Z ringer found in this set is one of the kind that appeared in the mid-1950s, which I thought were intended as replacement in 34A3 sets.  There is another type for the 40/50 series.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: TelePlay on June 07, 2017, 11:15:28 AM
Sold for $886 with 9 bidders and 4 snipes, all placed with exactly 4 seconds to go.

Don't know who bid or who one. Seller had it set up as a private listing.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Doug Rose on June 07, 2017, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: Alex G. Bell on June 05, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
Eventually.  I don't have the time now.
Alex.....find time yet....love to see them.....Doug
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: AE_Collector on June 07, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on June 07, 2017, 07:03:10 AM
I thought the low-Z ringer found in this set is one of the kind that appeared in the mid-1950s, which I thought were intended as replacement in 34A3 sets.  There is another type for the 40/50 series.

Oh sorry, I didn't even look at the pictures as I was away from my computer.

Terry
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Jon Kolger on June 10, 2017, 08:30:37 PM
I appreciate all the attention that this telephone has garnered.  If you haven't noticed yet, I have another really nice AE 50 on right now.  I am on the forum, but I keep a pretty low profile.  I only check in every few days or so.  I am constantly amazed by all the knowledge you guys have about these phones.  I never would have noticed anything different about that ringer.  To me, these phones are like pieces of art.  I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the technical details unless something is really amiss.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: Doug Rose on June 10, 2017, 09:41:17 PM
And these are Jon's extra phones. He is the King of Colors.....Doug
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: TelePlay on June 10, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: Jon Kolger on June 10, 2017, 08:30:37 PM
If you haven't noticed yet, I have another really nice AE 50 on right now.

Jon,

Some of us noticed . . .  ;)

     http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=18306.0

(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18306.0;attach=163076;image)

Feel free to take a guess. Most seller's guess $1 gazillion dollars on their listed phones. Actually, most seller's don't guess for obvious reasons.

That is a very nice Nile Green AE 50.
Title: Re: Red AE 50 Auction, Looks 100% Original, BEAUTIFUL Condition
Post by: unbeldi on June 11, 2017, 11:28:38 AM
I was surprised that this nile green set had such an old dial.

The ringer in this set is the same type as that installed in the Jon's red set, low-impedance but this time it is for 20 Hz frequency-selective ringing, so it should work on today's telephone lines.   This type of ringer,  D-56465-y, was supplied only separately as a parts kit, without gongs and without the mounting bracket.  I wasn't aware before the display of these two sets, that these ringers were also used in the Type 50 wall sets.  I was under the impression that they were only for replacement in 34A3 sets, so I am glad we got the detailed internal pictures from Jon.

The original ringer of this telephone, from the factory, was a straight-line high-impedance ringer.

I also found it interesting to note the type number of this set, L-5114.  I don't think I had seen a 5114 type before, I had my list only up to 5113, which was a Jade Green set.   From this, it is possible that the colored sets in the mid-1950s had special order numbers, in addition to the letter specifier for the color, which is J for Nile Green, as shown in the stamp on the rear of the set:   L5114 DSL J  NX-4

It is a bit hard to read the printing on the wiring diagram, but I seem to detect that it states  L5114 B SL.    This would explain the old dial, if the set was originally a manual telephone.  This is contradicted however, by the "D" in the type stamp on the rear.


PS:   I am moving this reply to the thread for the green set, already referenced.