This sure is cool!
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Woaaaaa! A Hockender Hund (Squatting dog). Ultra rare.
One piece telephone by S&H.
Strange picture, as it sits on its seperate bell housing.
I was about to write something too, after the auction finishes.
Made in the late 1930s.
Could be called a forerunner of the Ericofon. The hookswitch is active when the handset is lifted from the table.
Where's the transmitter?
Quote from: TelePlay on June 26, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
Where's the transmitter?
The transmitter is sort of on the narrow edge in the lower part. The housing has a pattern of sound holes to permit sound to reach it.
Quite the finish. Rose from $600 and change with 2 minutes to go to $4,049, most of that in the last few seconds popping from $1,025 to the end price.
And, once again, the phone went home to one of the two last second snipers with their first and only bid of the auction, g***s ( 387 ).
I was wondering when someone was going to mention this auction. My bid didn't even get a chance to go in. I was under the impression that these were made in the 1960s... were they really made pre-WWII?
Quote from: Jon Kolger on June 26, 2016, 05:33:55 PM
I was wondering when someone was going to mention this auction. My bid didn't even get a chance to go in. I was under the impression that these were made in the 1960s... were they really made pre-WWII?
I think originally this had the informal designation
Modell 29, so it may have been made as early as 1929.
This one I think was made in 1938. The ringer box is marked T9.
As far as I know only 500 were produced as a pre-production series. I think for field test purposes. They were all made in 1929. I cannot see any date markings I recognise on the phone itself in these pictures.
Please note the ringer box is a standard external ringer. That model was for a number of years and may not be original to the phone.
Besides that, S&H phones from this period seldom have a date code on the outside. None of mine have, anyway. The earliest external date code in my collection start in 1930.
Other than the shape, the remarkable feature of this phone is perhaps the dial, which worked much like the dial in the Trimline, having a moving finger stop.
Quote from: Matilo Telephones on June 26, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
As far as I know only 500 were produced as a pre-production series. I think for field test purposes. They were all made in 1929. I cannot see any date markings I recognise on the phone itself in these pictures.
Please note the ringer box is a standard external ringer. That model was for a number of years and may not be original to the phone.
Besides that, S&H phones from this period seldom have a date code on the outside. None of mine have, anyway. The earliest external date code in my collection start in 1930.
Hmm, indeed the ringer box may not belong to the phone.
The date codes by Siemens started with A = 1920, and I have seen them used on equipment, switchboards, etc, e.g. a Klappenschrank, in the 20s.
The handset is stamped F24, which seems doubtful as a date. F would be 1925, but 24 makes no sense.
Carl, I meant to say that I have no S&H phone with a date code on the outside from before 1930. They do have plenty of those codes on the inside.
$4K for the phone & $120 shipping! that would be the last $4K phone I ever bought, my wife would take my PayPal acct away ;-)
Ah ok, Arwin, I got it.
The bell box is marked
Fg.bk.158a
Fg = telephone apparatus (Fernsprechgerät)
bk = subset (BeiKasten)
Where these designations even used in 1920s? I doubt it.
And it pops up again from the same guy...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIEMENS-ham-bone-Ericofon-ANTIQUE-RETRO-SIEMENS-TYPE-BAKELITE-TELEPH-DISC-1929-/222176707354 ?hash=item33bac3831a:g:WwYAAOSwhOVXeqqf
Highly priced, Ukraine.... mmm.
This is one of my favorite phones, so I've been following this auction closely. I have it on good authority that the original auction was voided because of significant damage on the back side of the telephone that was not disclosed in the auction listing. The damage is visible in the second to last photo if you magnify it. There is a big chunk missing out of the bakelite. Also, the seller insisted on being paid by Western Union wire transfer rather than Paypal. Apparently the seller was not able to work a deal with the back-up bidder. It will be interesting to see what happens the second time around.
I just looked at the new auction, and the photos are different from the first auction. Also, the damage has now been disclosed. $6K is a lot for this phone with such damage, but he might be able to work a deal with a deep-pocketed collector.
It is the same phone. Comparison of the subset/ringer shows the same markings in the same place and the slotted screw heads are all in the same position and the handset shows the same damage, missing chunk of Bakelite. Just saying for the record.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Siemens-Antique-Vintage-Black-Rotary-Stick-Phone-/371676616777
The damage was shown in the first listing, not pointed out and photographed so as not to point it out, but it was there. New listing has a better photo of that damage.
This phone is on my wish list too. In the top 3. But not for that kind of money. :-)
It is located in eastern Ukraine, quite a volatile area at the moment. The fact that these pictures have the old USSR flag on them, is conspicuous to say the least.
I also wondered how it got there. You would not expect such a phone in that location. War booty from the 40s?
That location, that flag and not being fortright with that damage, does not give me a good feeling.
For that kind of money I would go and pick it up myself. But to fly to the eastern Ukraine......
Both the first and the new listing are from the same location in the Ukraine. The buyer of the first auction, g***s ( 387 ) has a 100% positive feedback rating. In the last 30 days, he has placed 6 total bids on 6 total items and all with less than an hour to go, probably snipes. So, with one bid for each item he wanted, he bought the item. That's 100% on 6 snipes. The buyer gets what he wants.
For both auctions, it's the same seller (same location makes sense) so maybe g***s ( 387 ) returned the item upon seeing the damage when received? That makes sense but can not be verified/proved by me. Just saying . . .
This phone went unsold at it's $6000 asking price. It was re-listed shortly afterward for $4000, and sold quickly. There was probably a buyer waiting in the wings.
Quote from: Jon Kolger on July 17, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
This phone went unsold at it's $6000 asking price. It was re-listed shortly afterward for $4000, and sold quickly. There was probably a buyer waiting in the wings.
No doubt is was wanted.
I wonder how that California seller is doing these days after maybe finding out he sold one of these in a side deal for the eBay stated BIN of $200?
Link and eBay capture for posterity.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIEMENS-ham-bone-Ericofon-ANTIQUE-RETRO-SIEMENS-TYPE-BAKELITE-TELEPH-DISC-1929-/222188388938
What ebay sale are you referring to? That's the first I've heard of that. Just curious...
Quote from: Jon Kolger on July 17, 2016, 05:27:21 PM
What ebay sale are you referring to? That's the first I've heard of that. Just curious...
Jon,
This one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Siemens-Antique-Vintage-Black-Rotary-Stick-Phone-/371676616777
It was a 5 day auction starting $39 with no reserve. I did an auction contest (now cancelled) for it
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=16476.0
and before the first guess was placed, the seller had changed the listing to a BIN at $200 (most likely at the generous request of a back alley buyer) and it was gone. That seller left a lot of money on the table, or the buyers pocket. There was some discussion of this side deal sale in the auction contest topic link above this paragraph.
(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16476.0;attach=144790;image)