Classic Rotary Phones Forum

So what's the scoop on the Rotatone sold by Oldphoneworks?  Anyone have first hand experience with one?  Do they actually work?

Hi there,

As I mentioned in my recent post that showed my blue and my pink phones, each of them have a Rotatone installed, and it works wonderfully. About the only time it doesn't work is with an automated system that expects an especially quick response, but most are just fine with it. I also noticed that with a few automated systems you have to wait for the system to stop talking before you can "press 2" for example, but that is also rare, most of them you can just interrupt as soon as you hear the option you want, as with any touchtone. Hope this answers your questions, it never ceases to make me laugh that two of my rotary phones have speed dial, last number redial, and let me "press" # and "*"!

Hmm, been thinking about getting one for the 354 in the kitchen.  It would be the ultimate coolness to be able to beat the system, so to speak, with the 1951 rotary phone and "Press star to continue". 

I would like to be able to use an old rotary at my house. The phone has NOT been converted to tone so if I want to use it are these my only options?
Note - House is on Verizon network which I believe, does NOT support "pulse".

Options:
Purchase a rotary that has been converted to tone?
Purchase a separate converter (adapter) box that bridges pulse to tone?

Any thing else?

Third option; Purchase a Panasonic KX-T308 or T616 phone system which converts pluse to tone within itself, and allows you to use all your connected phones as an intercom and as a demo unit... :)

Fourth option; the Rotatone adaptor, fits inside your phone and does all the converting of pulses to tones for you in one simple unit... ;D

EDIT:
Helps to paste the link to the rotatone!!:
http://tinyurl.com/yjz49wu

I guess you have got it listed up now, I haven't tested the rotatone , but the external adapter Dialgizmo http://tinyurl.com/yfkovm5 (http://tinyurl.com/yfkovm5) works for me, and you need only one directly on the line.

Of course the Panasonic solution is perfect, but I don't know if you are infected by this telephone virus yet, but a Panasonic will help  :D

dsk

Everything you always wanted to know about Rotatone equipped phones:

https://picasaweb.google.com/vintagerotaryphones/RotatoneInstallationWesternElectricModel500Telephone#5447952614452490418  dead link 6/22/17

Pana 308 or 616, nice box of tricks!

I have internet phone in several locations, and they all support pulse dialing. The difference seems to be in the modem, not the network. You might call Tech Support at Verizon and ask if they have a different modem. If you can reach a real techie (who speaks English, that is the real trick), they tend to be supportive of this kind of thing - so don't settle for a Customer Support rep.

A quick question. Do you have/can you get a cheap phone that has a "Pulse/tone" switch? Does it fail to work when in the Pulse position?

"Nuther question. If you flap the hookswitch once, does it break dialtone? If so, can you "dial" with the hookswitch? If so, rotary is supported

Bill

Quote from: Bill on June 04, 2012, 08:31:16 AM
I have internet phone in several locations, and they all support pulse dialing. The difference seems to be in the modem, not the network. You might call Tech Support at Verizon and ask if they have a different modem. If you can reach a real techie (who speaks English, that is the real trick), they tend to be supportive of this kind of thing - so don't settle for a Customer Support rep.

A quick question. Do you have/can you get a cheap phone that has a "Pulse/tone" switch? Does it fail to work when in the Pulse position?

"Nuther question. If you flap the hookswitch once, does it break dialtone? If so, can you "dial" with the hookswitch? If so, rotary is supported

Bill

Thanks for the info, Bill. I will check. I am doing this for my GF and she wants to have a rotary wall phone. I have tried a couple rotary's at her house and the last one dialed but auto operator comes on and says, "please dial an area code first...", which obviously I was. When I dialed the phone, the dial tone kept going even after dialing the first 3 numbers.

I recently sold a Western Electric 302 to a customer.  It worked fine for a bit and then it wouldn't dial out anymore.  After further discussion, turns out she had just switched her service from Comcast to a service called Knology.  Frankly, I was surprised to find out the phone worked no problem with Comcast.  But it seems as though the new service (Knology) won't let her dial out - everything else about the phone works fine - rings, transmits, etc.

So, sounds like the phone is a candidate for one of those pulse converter dealies.  Does anyone have an idea on where to get a converter that will work with Knology?  She (the customer) is open to buying a converter to get the dialing back but I don't want her to get a converter that won't work with her service.  Any ideas?

I apologize for not searching the forum as this topic may or may not have been discussed before... Just looking for a quick and dirty answer here...

Hey guy's: An Inline Pulse to DTMF converter but so far not had any luck in finding 1, if any of you guys know of a supplier at a reasonable price i'd be glad to know of them.


Thanks: Andy

Go to the CRPF home page and then search rotatone. There will be lots of discussions. Rotatone looks like another candidate to put together a "Super topic" here on CRPF.

Dial Gizmo or maybe Dialgizmo might be another one.

You need to search from the Home Page in order to search all Categories and boards on the CRPF.

Terry

Thanks Guys appreciated.

Thanks A.E: Dialgizmo it is, have emailed them for a price to the UK.



Andy

Ralph Meyer's comments after testing the Oldphoneworks LPT310, Dialgizmo and Alldav.com P2Tv2.1-48 are in the November 2012 Singing Wires.

Ralph contacted the developers with his questions and observations.

His insights may help you determine the criteria most important to you.

Cheers Paul, much obliged.




Andy

There are some models that will pass dial pulses as well as the tones they produce. This won't matter if your line doesn't accept dial pulses, but would result in double dialing if used on a line that does recognize dial pulses.

Not sure if it helps anyone or not, but the Canadian Rogers dedicated VOIP router I have (Scientific Atlantic unit) supports pulse dialing just fine.  When I use a dialgizmo in series, I do not get double-dials or anything, it filters the pulse so that it doesn't get to the line (only the tone does) and interfaces with the VOIP router just fine, allowing me to dial # and *. 

DialGizmo is working great for me.    I have three rotary phones in my house and I use one dialgizmo make all three work with my cablevision VOIP.  I installed a patch panel for cat6 wiring when I wired my house so each phone line is home run to a central location.  I take the three phone lines to a parallel block and run them into the dialgizmo which I then put into the rest of the system.  I'm fairly certain I could install the dialgizmo right after the modem and it would work for everything.  It is a simple, easy and effective solution.  The only downside is the shipping cost to the states especially when compared to relatively low cost of the product.  To offset the shipping I bought two so I have a spare for the office or wherever else I might want to use a rotary.

I have 2 dialgizmos in use. One at the cabin making a WE500 working on a gsm adapter. (Also used for an alarm system)

The other one is in use with a 1930 Standard telephone with reverse dial. This one is connected to a 24V system, and requires a full short (shunt) of the line when the dial is used.

The only unit I have tested witch dont work at all with the dialgizmo is an Ericsson pabx sending pulses.

I have generally trouble sending redial, * and #.

dsk

Here is a "new" one:
http://tinyurl.com/mljn3c4
Is it a dial gizmo clone?

It does look similar, doesn't it. The price is very much different. Anyone have any experience?

Does anybody know what is going on with Dialgizmo? They put trading on hold as of august. No knews on the site. No replies to my mails.

They had a lot of quality issues this year. About 40% didn't work. I buy a lot of them. Lots of trouble.

And now this. The end of dialgizmo?

well, I don,t need this software because my provider Vidéotron accept the 2 signals.. tone and pulse. that's why I have three different phones in my house, one with a dial and the other with a touch tone...and a moderne phone for taking the message when i'm gone to...........you know what I mean? ;)

Par contre ce petit bidule peut servir si jamais un fournisseur de ligne téléphonique n'accepte pas les téléphones à cadran à pulsation ( pulse ). :)

Lucky you. Pulse dialing begins to be quite uncommon here. Only on lines on the old state network is pulsedialing possible. But most people, like me, have voip. And the voip providers here do not support pulse dialing.

I have a dialgizmo and it is perfect. There is also a Dutch manufactere of a conversion chip, for installing internally. That is sometimes is a little hard to install, but when it works, it works fine.

As I sell a lot of my phones, I also provide a lot of dialgizmo's. I'd hate to see them out of business. I never did get a rotatone working well.

Here we have an add for a new one.
Expensive (p&p included ) ??

http://tinyurl.com/nhntj6h  ( dead link 12-31-17 )

I klike the terminal block style of that.  It is a bit expensive, and I wonder where they come from?  Probably Hong Kong.  It looks like shipping is an additional charge.

Good tip, this one.

Shipping is OK, for me. Only $ 8,12 to Holland.

So all in all cheaper than a dialgizmo.

One of these days I am going to buy a couple and try them out.

By the way, the ad says they are from Hainan, mainland China. Not Hongkong.

Quote from: dsk on December 09, 2014, 04:21:36 AM
Here we have an add for a new one.
Expensive (p&p included ) ??

http://tinyurl.com/nhntj6h

Have a new working link?

Looks like it has evaporated from AliExpress pages, called Dialor 2
At this moment you may see it at this page: http://tinyurl.com/jgdcsyu (http://tinyurl.com/jgdcsyu)
When the link disappears, the only we get is this picture "stolen from the page"

dsk

PS
I have used one those as a "rotatone" in my Norwegian payphone.  This was a project I had, taking a little bit off, I just should have a working payphone with a 16 kHz tax pulse signal, and yes I got it, but spent a little bit more than whats feeling comfortable. I do actually have (as far as I know) the one and only working Norwegian payphone of that kind.  ;D
DS  http://tinyurl.com/zqo4lfb

Thank you!

Quote from: dsk on June 16, 2013, 02:47:38 PM
I have 2 dialgizmos in use. One at the cabin making a WE500 working on a gsm adapter. (Also used for an alarm system)

The other one is in use with a 1930 Standard telephone with reverse dial. This one is connected to a 24V system, and requires a full short (shunt) of the line when the dial is used.

The only unit I have tested witch dont work at all with the dialgizmo is an Ericsson pabx sending pulses.

I have generally trouble sending redial, * and #.

dsk

What is a reverse dial? I think I once had a Kellogg or Leitch that instead of pulses breaking contact, it did the reverse. Is that what you refer to?

Reverce dial is a dial with numbers "the wrong way" used in NZ and Oslo:
(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17246.0;attach=151865;image)


In addition to that Sweden have their own system.


dsk

Did a two month student tour of Europe in the summer of 1983. We stayed in the university dorms while visiting Oslo Norway. Each room had a backwards dial phone on the wall just inside the doorway I think.

Terry

I'll guess it was one like this with right positioned dial and reversed hung on the wall:
(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8478.0;attach=111764;image)

dsk

A "convertible"! I can't recall for certain. I think I have a picture somewhere in my 35 years ago file.

Terry

The xlink bluetooth gateway supports rotary pulse.
http://www.myxlink.com/store.aspx
I think it is a valid solution for many collectors.
You can dial out on your  rotary telephones  using a  bluetooth connection on your cellphone(s).
there is a version that also has landline as well as bluetooth.
You can buy find them on ebay as well.
Another option,
Jim S.

has anyone tried the 25 dollar chinese units on ebay?

Quote from: markosjal on December 31, 2017, 04:03:23 PM
has anyone tried the 25 dollar chinese units on ebay?

I think he means these. Neat, compact package. No link or image posted. These are around $25 plus around $10 shipping from China.

     https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/172604430176

     https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/182510911211

Those seem pretty cool. You should be able to use 1 as a whole house unit.
JMO,
Jim S.

This eBay listing (screen captured above)

     https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/182510911211

shows images of two different boards, one seems to be Dialor2 (#2 below) and the other a Dialor2O (#1 below) and by reading the description, it might be a Dialor2.0 but with a funny "0."

Just guessing, I would say the Dialor2 image was included to show how the wiring is attached.

Anyone familiar enough with Dialgizmo and Rotatone to tell which one is most like this unit?

(Note, the web site on the board (www.163.com) is just a Chinese news site, nothing to do with the item.

My post here was not specific to any one unit on ebay rather that there are several and they do not all look alike. Therefore I did not link to any.

Quote from: markosjal on January 01, 2018, 01:59:35 PM
My post here was not specific to any one unit on ebay rather that there are several and they do not all look alike. Therefore I did not link to any.

In that price range, I found 6 sellers with all prices about $30 including shipping and all but selling the Dialor2.0 and one selling the Dialor2.

They all look alike and vary in price a few bucks. If there is another converter that is different from this style, please post the links so we can compare. The are others but not in the price range you stated. The others that I found are in the $35 to $60 range with shipping.

The following all look alike.

Dialor2.0  (based on circuit board identification)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/182510911211
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/172604430176
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-New/332170755753
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-New/152834000911
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-New/272949688069

Dialor 2  (based on circuit board identification)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/telephone-module-Pulse-transfer-dual-tone-multiple-frequency-DTMF-converter/182312521289

This one seems to be the same as a DialGizmo, maybe even a straight copy. 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Pulse-transfer-dual-tone-multiple-frequency-DTMF-converter-normal-version-The-old-dial-telephone-pulse-dual/32708026890.html

I've never owned a RotorTone, DialGizmo or Dialor2 and am going on the manuals; the Dialor2 one is in Chinese but I got the gist via Google Translate. 

The snag for me is that both a DialGizmo or a Dialor2 come from overseas and cost more than £16 so are liable for Import VAT and the charges associated therewith.  The tax itself would be peanuts but the fee for collecting it isn't.

Thank you.

What you found is identical to the last link in reply #42 above. It shows images of what appears to be the Dialor2 but the upper left image of the collage states Dialor2.0, a different circuit board than shown.

The same image is posted at the last link of reply #42, this link.

     https://www.ebay.com/itm/telephone-module-Pulse-transfer-dual-tone-multiple-frequency-DTMF-converter/182312521289

The 2 vs 2.0 were taken from the id printed on the PC board itself. I assume the 2.0 is newer, not necessarily better, just different.

These are not equal to Dialgizmo, they may be better or worse, but they are polarity sensitive according the add. They also lack the possibility to choose type of dial, and some functions i do not remember, but this is an option on the Dialgizmo.

I used the Dialor 1.2  in a project, and yhat worked great, no polarity issues, but it was more of a rotatone unit:  https://goo.gl/dAJ7T5 (https://goo.gl/dAJ7T5)

dsk

Quote from: TelePlay on January 01, 2018, 02:16:19 PM
In that price range, I found 6 sellers with all prices about $30 including shipping and all but selling the Dialor2.0 and one selling the Dialor2.

They all look alike and vary in price a few bucks. If there is another converter that is different from this style, please post the links so we can compare. The are others but not in the price range you stated. The others that I found are in the $35 to $60 range with shipping.

The following all look alike.

Dialor2.0  (based on circuit board identification)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/182510911211
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-Plus/172604430176
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-New/332170755753
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-New/152834000911
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telephone-Module-Pulse-Transfer-Dual-Tone-Multiple-Frequency-DTMF-Converter-New/272949688069

Dialor 2  (based on circuit board identification)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/telephone-module-Pulse-transfer-dual-tone-multiple-frequency-DTMF-converter/182312521289

I elude to the post 2 uip from this quoted post of your own here. When you buy from China you should never assume 2 units are the same as there are nmany variations on the same product and most are "no name"

edit, OOPS thats YOUR OWN POST!

By the way those of you who are concerned about polarity i am sure you could stuff a bridge rectifier into that package, as a polarity guard.

Mark

Ralph Meyer at TCI did a really good write up on the differences and shortcomings of many of the converters out there.
Read it here (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/telephony-101/07b%20TCI%20Article%20on%20Pulse-toTone%20Converters.pdf)


That being said, I slapped together my own Internal converter utilizing the code from Boris Cherkasskiy's work...

(http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19468.0;attach=175346;image)


However this new(er) opensource external converter is probably a better way to go for the Do it Yourselfer.
As a side note, This newer iteration addresses several of the BIG issues that previous converters failed to deal with.

Hackaday did a write up on it a while back. All links to the resources are there as well.

https://hackaday.io/project/28557-pulse-to-tone-converter (https://hackaday.io/project/28557-pulse-to-tone-converter)

Since the Firmware source and Gerber files are available you can whip up as many as you want and make any changed to it that you like.

BTW, I ultimately removed the converter from my phone and have installed a 616.. honestly it seems that the Panasonic machine is the only way to go!

Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Sigmaz.

Oddly, I've recently been addressing some of the problems with the original Boris Cherkasskiy/Arnie Weber converter.  So far I'm pleased with the results but the real test is actual use over an extended period.

Merlin Legend systems also work well for rotary phones, i run many antiques on my and it auto converts to tone.  Their pretty cheap these days and like many ATT/WE designs are workhorses.  Just be sure you have the proper card for POTS extentions.

dailgizmo does NOT work with OOMA or A Merlix PBX, or Charter VoIP service. period, always dials 1, on a properlly aligned dial.  So your warned beforehand.  Im awaiting a roto from oldphoneworks to see if it actually works correctly, they "claim" it does, but i have my doubts until I actually test it myself on the 3 senerios, and their unwilling to sent test ones to me, so only purchased the one that is internal to the phone.  Ill report status one it gets here, hoverver if you still have a provifder that supports Rotary dialing / POTS line all is well.

Normal mode no coin control on OOMA the dialgizmo will not dial right period, and tried on other rotary phones i have as well, misdials or dial 1 thats it.

Dialgizmo dont work properlly on Charter VoIP, OOMA, or Merlin PBX lines, dont waste youyr money.

Quote from: robert_m on January 13, 2019, 06:54:06 PM
Dialgizmo dont work properlly on Charter VoIP, OOMA, or Merlin PBX lines, dont waste youyr money.

That is interesting! It stroke me that the problem might be that the units are line-powered, and those converters may give to little juice to power the converter.
Any way to test that?
dsk

I would guess they are line powered, and i know Charters ATA only provided about 20vdc, OOMA does provide proper talk battey of 48VDC but not enough current, Odd why the Merlin not accepting it, but The merlin like th Pany do its own tone/pulse convert, and my card not the true pots line card, so i suspect current loop problem with this paticular phone, but i even have signature pricenses set to pulse (Yes I still lease 2 of them from what was ATT Consumer Lease Products - now its QLT) and it dont dial right either on the Merlin, in pulse mode.

It seems to be expensive, but maybe an alternative?  https://goo.gl/Bp54Ne (https://goo.gl/Bp54Ne)

dsk

Got rotatone today from oldphoneworks, donit work (or i have wired wrong, assume thats not the case), but not sure if DOA awaiting their response.  Wierd phased tone on phone line reciever, and will not break dial tone on a OOMA LYNX or Charter VOIP.

So got replacement rotatone for OPW still not got, but the odd tone done, so first one definatly bad, still no go on OOMA TELCO or LINY, still no go on Merlin Legend (on Legend misdials 4 or 5 times), Pani 61610 didnt try with since my #6 works just fine with it properly converting every time.

Now no disrespect to OPW, but they need to be advised, it MAY NOT work with many VoIP providers PERIOD, and 30 bucks in toilet (or what ever it was).

I also orded one of those chinese ones on ebay going to be interesting to see if it works or not, as i really dont like having to have a pani plugged in just for this one problem phone.

My other candlesticks with #4, #5 or #6 dial work just fine with my merlin legend, but they DO NOT HAVE OPWs' network in them they use real subsets.

Quote from: robert_m on January 24, 2019, 03:28:16 PM
So got replacement rotatone for OPW still not got, but the odd tone done, so first one definatly bad, still no go on OOMA TELCO or LINY, still no go on Merlin Legend (on Legend misdials 4 or 5 times), Pani 61610 didnt try with since my #6 works just fine with it properly converting every time.

Now no disrespect to OPW, but they need to be advised, it MAY NOT work with many VoIP providers PERIOD, and 30 bucks in toilet (or what ever it was).

I also orded one of those chinese ones on ebay going to be interesting to see if it works or not, as i really dont like having to have a pani plugged in just for this one problem phone.

My other candlesticks with #4, #5 or #6 dial work just fine with my merlin legend, but they DO NOT HAVE OPWs' network in them they use real subsets.

Hey Robert,

Oldphoneworks have confirmed that the Rotatone unit does work with Ooma, MagicJack and other USB powered VoIP systems. There must be a wiring issue. Not sure if we have conversed over email but if you can share some pictures of your install I would be happy to look them over for you.

Also, the converter is returnable for a refund. Please contact support at: oldphoneguy@oldphoneworks.com

Thanks,
-MM

I recently acquired a HEEMAF 1955 phone and have used it with my dialgizmo  as usual it provides tone conversion for each digit, but no second order function. (#*or memory dial)

I've read this thread but still not sure what the best rotary to DTMF converter is for my application. I have a rotary SC 1553 wall phone that will be connected to an OBi202 VoIP adapter. When reviewing the technical notes for the converters, I found some of them haven't been updated in years.

I'm not looking for a lot of features - I just want a reliable rotary to DTMF converter that works well with VoIP adapters. Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Jay

I guess that the OBI adapters may struggle with more of these converters than other adapters due to some line current limitations.
I have had trouble with 1 of 5 Dialgizmos, and 1 of 3 Chinese adapters to put directly on the dial.  I still would go for the dial gizmo.
I have an adapter where I put in a sim-card even on that the dial gizmo works, but the 500 or 2500 phones is on the edge to work due to lo current.

dsk

Quote from: dsk on August 08, 2020, 03:22:34 PM
I guess that the OBI adapters may struggle with more of these converters than other adapters due to some line current limitations.
I have had trouble with 1 of 5 Dialgizmos, and 1 of 3 Chinese adapters to put directly on the dial.  I still would go for the dial gizmo.
I have an adapter where I put in a sim-card even on that the dial gizmo works, but the 500 or 2500 phones is on the edge to work due to lo current.

That's good to know the Dialgizmo draws less current than the other 2. I didn't find specs for the Chinese or Rotatone converters, but the 2009 manual shows this for the Dialgizmo:

Dialgizmo
Power supply ........................... Line powered
Line current draw (on hook) ........ Approx 100nA
Line current draw (off hook) ........ Approx 5mA
Operating temperature ............... 5°C to 35°C
Ringing pass-through ................ 2 REN

Are there any P2T converters that have an external power supply that aren't full switches?

-Jay

You get what you pay for use my mother-in-law use to say, and she may often be right.  ...... But do you need the most expensive one? 
 
 I have just started the testing of Dialor 2 since I have 2 Dialgizmos that stops working. (2 of 5)
 
 The dial gizmo has the possibility to change to Swedish dial, or to NS/Oslo dial.  If that is needed it is no alternatives!
 
 The Dialgizmo is not polarity sensitive, but the Dialor 2 does only convert pulse to tones with the right polarity, on the other hand it lets the pulses trough with reverse polarity, and that may be a pre for someone.
 
 For the most of us it does not matter after when have put it right at the first installation.
 
 They do both convert rotary (normal numbered) dial to touch tones, and they have the possibility of * and # and redial, something we do not need often.
 
 The configuration of input and output is different: The dial gizmo is plugged in the ATA, and then you plug the phone in the Dialgizmo. The Dialer 2 is different, you plug the cord from the ATA in to the unit, and wire your old phone to the screw terminals in the converter.
 
 Is that a problem?  Usually not, but I did move one wire from one screw to another, and connected a cord to the 2 in-terminals, then it was equal, and I may plug in and out both in the same way.
 That was easy.
 
 Far to early to tell about the long term quality.

Did test them with some of my phones, and the only one that not was understood by the Dialor 2 was the test push-button version of the EB 1967 made around 1975.

I have a 554 with a Rota Tone in it, and for the most part, it works well.  It does sometimes get "stuck" though.  You then have to hang up and try your call again.

Mike

these devices actually suck as you have to wait between dialing digits

Quote from: dsk on December 27, 2017, 04:58:42 AMReverce dial is a dial with numbers "the wrong way" used in NZ and Oslo:

I wonder if those dials would be more comfortable to use for left-handed people.

Wouldn't it be required to reverse the direction of rotation to make a real difference?
Then again, it is not awkward at all to dial with the "wrong" hand when the layout is the familiar one.

I'm lefthanded, but I use my right hand on the dial. :-)

I noticed that too.  I only put the Rota Tone in that phone to test Rota Tone out and see what it is like.  I still have just plain telephone service from the just plain phone company.

Mike

I'm left-handed too, and while Western/Northern Electric dials, ITT dials, and late SC dials are fine for either hand, I do find AE dials and old SC dials awkward to use left-handed.  They seem like they were laid out exclusively for right-handed folks.

Mike

Quote from: dsk on May 30, 2022, 01:47:11 PM...The configuration of input and output is different: The dial gizmo is plugged in the ATA, and then you plug the phone in the Dialgizmo. The Dialer 2 is different, you plug the cord from the ATA in to the unit, and wire your old phone to the screw terminals in the converter...

I wired up like you list here (and all the other permutations) but my 300 and 500 series phones don't seem to like it. The light comes on, but dimly, and I only hear a faint "blip" of a beep when dialing, not a DTMF tone. Perhaps it doesn't like what juice is coming from the Ooma?

Strange, I have never had problems with the my 302 on any pulse tone converter, but the 500 may somtimes fail.

Time for a little update. The dialor 2 works just as well as the dialgizmo, but only with the right line polarity.
Mine does not support reverse dials, but they claim that later versions does.
Dial gizmo works with normal +reverse + Swedish dials depending on the setting of switches. I still agree with markosjal that an ata that accepts rotary may be a better solution in most cases.