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Telephone Identification, Repair & Restoration => Telephone Wiring Diagrams => Automatic Electric Wiring Diagrams => Topic started by: stub on October 17, 2019, 06:43:01 PM

Title: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: stub on October 17, 2019, 06:43:01 PM
I won this phone the other day thanks to member zenithchromacolor . Thanks ,stub
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: stub on October 17, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
The light is not very bright but works.  stub
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: Jim Stettler on October 17, 2019, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: stub on October 17, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
The light is not very bright but works.  stub
"Works"
That is a find of the month contender , even if it didn't work. It is a very cool variation, and it is a scarce variation, and it is  a nice harder-to-find-color.You done good.
Just my observation/opinion,
Jim
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: stub on October 17, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
Jim,
       Thanks, Yes at being hard to find. AE_Collector has the only other one I've ever seen . I've been trying for years now to get it from him . stub
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: GTE Rick on October 17, 2019, 11:20:45 PM
Great addition! I have one in pink.... be very very careful with the dial bezel... I think they are glass and very brittle my has a few cracks.


ps got my vote for find of the month!
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: RB on October 18, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Man! That IS nice :)
I like the color too
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: Doug Rose on October 18, 2019, 12:29:40 PM
Stub...that is a beauty! I know it was an auction, what was the final cost to you?....Doug
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: dsk on October 18, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
Fantastic! I did not know about those at all.  Nice color too.
dsk
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: tubaman on October 18, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Very nice indeed!
What produces the light - from the circuit diagram it looks like a small filament lamp, but is there only one or a number of them?
:)
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: countryman on October 18, 2019, 02:33:55 PM
with the 54 kOhm resistance in series I can only think it's a small neon bulb.
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: dsk on October 18, 2019, 03:06:37 PM
The disk is of a type called Luminescent, it described here: https://www.britannica.com/technology/lamp/Electric-discharge-lamps#ref7598
These are really lo power, but needs high voltage or frequency to work. 

Modern product in the same range will be sold as "luminescent sheet" often with high frequency lo voltage power-source.

dsk
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: 19and41 on October 19, 2019, 09:08:56 AM
The light emitting technology was developed by Sylvania Electric around 1961 and AE and Sylvania were both subsidaries of ITT.  The paneluminescent lighting was one division helping another. 

LEC

Light-emitting capacitor, or LEC, is a term used since at least 1961[2] to describe electroluminescent panels. General Electric has patents dating to 1938 on flat electroluminescent panels that are still made as night lights and backlights for instrument panel displays. Electroluminescent panels are a capacitor where the dielectric between the outside plates is a phosphor that gives off photons when the capacitor is charged. By making one of the contacts transparent, the large area exposed emits light.[3]

Electroluminescent automotive instrument panel backlighting, with each gauge pointer also an individual light source, entered production on 1960 Chrysler and Imperial passenger cars, and was continued successfully on several Chrysler vehicles through 1967.

Night lamps

Sylvania Lighting Division in Salem and Danvers, MA, produced and marketed an EL night lamp (right), under the trade name Panelescent at roughly the same time that the Chrysler instrument panels entered production. These lamps have proven extremely reliable, with some samples known to be still functional after nearly 50 years of continuous operation. Later in the 1960s, Sylvania's Electronic Systems Division in Needham, MA developed and manufactured several instruments for the Apollo Lunar Lander and Command Module using electroluminescent display panels manufactured by the Electronic Tube Division of Sylvania at Emporium, PA. Raytheon, Sudbury, MA, manufactured the Apollo guidance computer, which used a Sylvania electroluminescent display panel as part of its display-keyboard interface (DSKY).
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: countryman on October 19, 2019, 01:52:02 PM
Thanks for the explanation!
Here's a Wikipedia link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroluminescence
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: Stormcrash on October 19, 2019, 01:59:50 PM
AE and Sylvania were owned by GTE, not ITT  ;)

But beautiful phone and dial! I actually recently picked up an AE 80 that is stamped as an 82 on the bottom but doesn't seem to have the lighted dial any longer. I'll have to take a closer look at the dial but there is no power cord. Very neat to see that they put a dial light on the 80, and a much more elegant look than the shroom light 500 though both are super cool :)
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: zenithchromacolor on October 19, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
Glad that you got that phone. I thought of getting it myself since I could pick it up, but had no idea of the value and mostly have WE phones.
It's nice that they colored the power cord for the light to match the phone color.
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: stub on October 19, 2019, 07:06:36 PM
zenithchromacolor,
                            Thanks again for the post . I've been looking a long time and would have missed it . I greatly appreciate it.  stub
Title: Re: AE Type 82 Lighted Dial Telephone
Post by: AE_Collector on October 19, 2019, 10:19:37 PM
Great score Ken! So now there are three in known existence! Mine is relatively mundane Ivory. It is great to see your Forget-Me-Not Blue version and maybe a Rick can post pictures of his Camellia Pink AE 82.

Mine is Mar 1959 and your is May 1959. What date is your Rick? The oldest Starlite 182 I have is dated January 1961 so that leaves a pretty short range for the 82 to have been made. I can't imagine these were made for more than a year before being upgraded from an AE82 to the more familiar Starlite phone which is a model 182.

I am trying to recall why it is again that almost all AE80's actually have 82xxxx coding on the base.... That is common but these phones aren't.

Here are pictures of mine.

Terry