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Telephone Talk => Auction Talk => ebaY Quirks, Complaints and Chatter => Topic started by: Sargeguy on May 11, 2009, 09:33:57 PM

Title: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Sargeguy on May 11, 2009, 09:33:57 PM
You know the guy I'm talking about, the good citizen who e-mails the eBay seller of "vintage black rotery dial phone" and tells them they have a "Western Electric 302 desk set from the 1940s" which, when added to a description, pumps up the price due to all the noobs searching for that exact phrase.  Mr. Helpful has been really active lately, dispensing his unsolicited advice to sellers who he apparently has no intention of doing business with. 

Here is an example.  The "I can't be bothered to do even a little research" seller takes one photo and writes a vague title and half-assed description.   Sellers like that are my bread and butter.  A potential $14-18 phone now jacked up to $26 thanks to Mr. Helpful.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120416028478 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120416028478)   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

This behavior is unfair to bidders who spend hours scrutinizing blurry photos in the phone section looking for poorly described deals (me), as well as for the sellers who take the time to write the correct, accurate description (also me).  It may also be unfair to the buyers who are looking for a simple 302 and end up with a ringer-less 250  or some godawful wiring scheme like a 333 that they will never be able to figure out, because they bid on a phone based upon a faulty assumption on Mr. Helpful's part.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on May 11, 2009, 10:27:32 PM
I hadn't noticed that before.  I can see where it would be an annoyance.  I do occasionally give help when it seems the seller is seeking information, but I certainly wouldn't make a steady practice of it like this guy does.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Steve on May 11, 2009, 10:56:46 PM
 I see this all the time. they have all the 302's they want, then they want to impart their knowledge onto the know-nothings. it's like they are looking for a cyber pat on the back.


ARE YOU CRAZY?!?! THATS A RARE XYZ. cancel the auction then blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: McHeath on May 11, 2009, 11:21:23 PM
Ah yes, the human urge to be helpful to ones fellows and show off a little knowledge to boot.

Don't look at me, I never tell anyone anything about an auction.  I figure that if they don't want to do a little easy online research then that's that. 

Of course if I start bidding on a phone it's a sure sign that it will end up selling for about double its real value.   :(
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 11, 2009, 11:50:11 PM
The secret to getting a good deal on eBay is to bid low and early and then high and late.  Better yet use the "watch" feature.  Decide the maximum you are willing to pay in advance.  Put your highest bid in in the last few seconds and cross your fingers.  If your highest isn't high enough then walk away.  Don't panic.  There will be another one along eventually.  Keep it cool.  I hate it when guys drive the price up early on, then come back and outbid you in the last minute.  Keep it cool and don't lose your head.  Slightly less annoying is when almost outbid you but drive the price up in the process.  On the 466 I recently acquired, I had to go out so I couldn't babysit the auction.  It was at $35 with 1/2 hour to go when I bid my max of $75.  It sold for $70.  Another bidder bid up the price in the last minute. Looking at the bid history it looks as if he would have won if he hadn't ran out of time:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=280338748774 (http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewBids&item=280338748774)    ( dead link 02-15-21 )

He bid with 15 seconds left and then again at 6 seconds.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: BDM on May 12, 2009, 12:36:29 AM
Or the other end of the spectrum, are the guys who try to sell common 302s or the like, for $150 to $250 a pop :o But hey, more power to them ;) Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't :P Of course those who put plenty of work into the set (like Frank) deserve every penny! I'm referring to those who wipe it down and called it restored ::)
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 12, 2009, 01:26:39 AM
I've gone both ways on this one. I liked ebay better when they didn't post questions and answers.
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: foots on May 12, 2009, 12:51:31 PM
I wonder if this is the same guy, that when he notices someone may be winning a phone for a decent price, always puts in only 1 bid  (to drive up the price) near the end of the auction but ALWAYS with enough time for the winning bidder to outbid him?
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on May 12, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
I think with buying phones, the most important question that I can ask, if I can only ask one.........Are there any cracks or breaks in the plastic?
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on May 12, 2009, 02:47:27 PM
And "Can you ship it so that it won't arrive in a hundred pieces."
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Tonyrotary on May 12, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
That MR. HELPFUL did the same thing to the 302 I won recently. Still no else bid on it. I had caught the auction with literally a couple of hrs left and no bids on it. I put in a bid at the last minute and crossed my fingers. I had noticed it seems to be the same person but could be wrong. Ask a question or two, yes, but why go around and volunteer information? Then not bid on it?
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 12, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
Some people never get over the hall Monitor phase of life.
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: BDM on May 12, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
Quote from: Dan/Panther on May 12, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
Some people never get over the hall Monitor phase of life.
D/P

LOL...............
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 12, 2009, 06:34:29 PM
Speaking of mislabeled 302s, I was outbid on this beauty:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270387062903 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270387062903)    ( dead link 02-15-21 )

Looking at Paul F's site, it looks  like is a 332.  Judging from the price, I would guess that the winning bidder is not expecting a 302.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on May 12, 2009, 07:45:53 PM
I don't think the phone had much to do with the price.  Cowbell subsets are very sought after.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 12, 2009, 08:42:19 PM
Really?  I didn't even look at the subset.  It doesn't even go with the phone.  I think I will ask the seller to contact the buyer for me and see if he is willing to sell it.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 12, 2009, 09:01:12 PM
Then again P should probably pay for this other mislabeled 302:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140319388941   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

It looks like a 251.  I couldn't resist.  That's an SC ringer and handset I believe.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on May 12, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Wow... $43 for what's basically a little pile of parts.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: BDM on May 12, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
Actually that's a North Electric handset, which used W.E. F1 & HA1 elements.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 12, 2009, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: bingster on May 12, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Wow... $43 for what's basically a little pile of parts.

Oh yea of little faith!!!  Tis a rare gem indeed!!!

I realize that not all collectors share my enthusiasm for obscure 300 series sets, but I love these old independent telco frankenphones.  250 series even better.  I just hope that is straight line ringer and not a harmonic ringer and that the inside of the housing is stamped with the mounting code.  I talked to some guys at Enfield who just toss the non-standard 302 parts when they encounter them, but I think that the old wacky, virtually-unusable-as-wired phones are gaining in popularity. 
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: AET on May 12, 2009, 10:39:01 PM
I hate Mr. Helpful  >:( I'm always shopping for the 'deals' and have really had my eye out for a cheap 302, but NOOOO Mr. Helpful can't let that happen. 
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 13, 2009, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: Sargeguy
The secret to getting a good deal on eBay is to bid low and early and then high and late.

What is the reason to bid low and early? I always only bid in the last few seconds and try to keep all emotion out of it, with a strict and thought out maximum bid.

As for asking revealing questions, I try to avoid any questions unless absolutely necessary (rarely). If I do ask questions I try to keep them to a minimum, especially if they might be posted. The standard questions of condition and looking for dates. But I try not to drive the price up.

And unsolicited advice for something I'm not even bidding on? Why would anyone do that? Does it make them feel smart? Sounds kind of pitiful, actually. :P

Tom it seems harder to find a cheap 302 these days but they're still out there, with patience. (Well, as long as the evil Mr. Helpful doesn't come calling... >:() Maybe get one with a repairable crack?  I've stopped buying 302s personally, as I'm looking for other less common phones of interest.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 13, 2009, 08:43:01 PM
I place the lowest possible bid on something I am interested in so I can keep track of it.  Sometimes the initial low bid is enough.  If there is any further interest in it I bid in the last few seconds with my maximum.  This can be tricky, especially with a dodgy DSL connection.  I watch items I am either interested in the final price or haven't made up my mind about.  I don't understand people who complain about sniping.  Why should I give a competing bidder enough time to outbid me or jack up the price?  The only question I ask is "can you send it in a flat rate box?"
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 13, 2009, 09:01:03 PM
I guess I don't understand why one would need to "keep track" by placing a bid, instead of just putting it on the watch list and not bidding until the end like I do.

The reason I don't bid early is because placing an early bid can draw attention to an item from other bidders, who can do a search for items with only one bid on them, I guess thinking that someone may have found some rare gem that nobody else has discovered yet. I'm not sure about that.

Yes, I've heard the complaints about "snipers" too, but as we know it's perfectly legit and common practice.  Cold, cruel, calculating and heartless perhaps, but it works for me and makes my heart beat a little faster in the last few second I must admit. But I never feel bad if I get outbid, because I've already set my reasonable maximum, as you say.

BTW, maybe someone who sells phones on Ebay could on purposefully write a vague yet not misleading description, then when the evil "Mr (or Ms) Helpful" comes a-calling, give them a helpful little talking to ourselves. >:( ;)
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: AET on May 13, 2009, 09:54:14 PM
I always just watch it until the last minute to bid.  And my only questions are about cracks, etc, or dates.

Also, I'd be plenty happy with a 302 even with a crack in it, as long as it wasn't a real attention grabber.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 13, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Seems like a decent inexpensive 302, maybe with a little easily fixable crack and some dial number wear would be pretty easy to find seeing as they're all over Ebay. I wish you happy hunting, Tom.

One of my 302s, an all matching dates 1948, was had for $20 (plus shipping) that has a little chip on the base. The chip and dial wear doesn't bother me at all.  I don't want my phones to look too new.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: AET on May 13, 2009, 11:40:37 PM
Thanks Matt!  I was all excited recently, I saw 2 302's mislisted for like 25 bucks, but Mr. Helpful stepped in!  They went for a bit more than my pocketbook can handle.  For me, 20 bucks is a lot of dough.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 14, 2009, 12:05:09 AM
I bought a matching date 1938 302 for $25 on eBay in December.  I usually don't pay more than $30 including shipping for a 302.  The "market" for 302s fluctuates but persistence pays off in the end.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: AET on May 14, 2009, 12:07:32 AM
And I'm willing to wait, my folks are on my case for wasting my money on phones.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 14, 2009, 01:09:30 AM
I have al limit I will spend on a 302 and lately they have been going for about 5 to 10 dollars over my limit.
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Tonyrotary on May 14, 2009, 09:55:48 AM
Sniping? Heck two of my phones I would not have gotten without sniping...lol. Also I believe sniping helps keep the cost down as your not getting into a bidding war. Like others here I figure my maximum wait and bid. If I get it cool, If not oh well.

Tom, there are deals to be had on 302's. I got one myself as you know. Still waiting for it to arrive( hopefully in one piece). I remember those days when I was young, $20 dollars was alot of money. What you should do  is put maybe a couple of dollars on the side each time you get paid. Slowly save for that 302 you want. Hard to do I know ;D
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 14, 2009, 12:05:46 PM
Bidding wars? We don't need no steenking bidding wars!
I just have my minions do my dirty work.
Take that, "Mr. Helpful".
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 14, 2009, 02:36:01 PM
Matt;
Great pix...
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: AET on May 14, 2009, 04:04:45 PM
Yeah, 20 bucks for a phone, or 20 bucks for a half-tank of fuel for the Caprice, it gets to be tough.  Right now, I'm trying to get a good inventory going and get my duplicates fixed up and start some re-sale on these bad-boys.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 21, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
I'm just wondering if "Mr. Helpful" is sometimes just the articles submitted by Ebayers in the Users and Guides section.

When a seller changes their description and/or pricing, they sometimes say things like "since I first listed this item I have since found out from a helpful Ebayer that..."

Whatever the case, I hope this idle speculation is not helpful to anyone, and I'm still considering calling in the elite special forces:
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Bill Cahill on May 21, 2009, 06:17:43 PM
Dear Mr. Helpful:
Will you please kindly help yourself out?
Thank you.......  ;D

Bill Cahill
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: benhutcherson on May 21, 2009, 09:10:53 PM
302s can certainly be had with patience. I've only bought one online-all the others were local purchases. My first one(with a corner crack) was $5 at a local shop.

I don't really buy all that many phones off of Ebay, as the cost of shipping drives up what would otherwise be a bargain. I'll gladly pay $30 for a 302 locally, provided that it's in decent shape, as a $30 local phone is still cheaper than an Ebay $20 phone.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: AET on May 21, 2009, 09:26:04 PM
Dear Mr. Helpful,

Here's a short pier, please take a long walk on it.

Sincerely,

AtomicEraTom
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 22, 2009, 08:29:09 PM
Last week I almost bought a very neat affordable telephone to show to everybody.

Then Mr Helpful stepped in.

This time I am waiting.; slightly impatiently.

I promise not to shoot the kindly delivery person.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 22, 2009, 09:59:47 PM
QuoteUpdate: A nice ebayer contacted us with this additional info: "This is called a 302 manual desk set." (THX!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320372360624   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 22, 2009, 11:09:26 PM
Quote from: HobieSport on May 22, 2009, 08:29:09 PM
Last week I almost bought a very neat affordable telephone to show to everybody.

Then Mr Helpful stepped in.

This time I am waiting.; slightly impatiently.

I promise not to shoot the kindly delivery person.

Matt;
If it's UPS, go ahead an shoot, they've probably already ruined the phone.
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: HobieSport on May 23, 2009, 05:58:52 AM
Rule #1:

Be friends of local delivery people.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on May 31, 2009, 10:48:53 PM
http://tinyurl.com/nywolf    ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 31, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
Dennis;
Can you chop the URL down a bit ?
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on May 31, 2009, 11:44:30 PM
If Sargeguy had some text in that posting in addition to the link, I accidentally erased it when I modified the LENGTHY link.

Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on June 01, 2009, 10:57:32 PM
You just cut out this link:

http://tinyurl.com/lu9zp5 (http://tinyurl.com/lu9zp5)   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 01, 2009, 10:59:09 PM
Good.  So we're back in business then.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on June 01, 2009, 11:07:46 PM
Speaking of all the Mr Helpfuls, there was a red 1950s 500 with both original straight grey cords up last week.  The opening bid was $100.  So many people barraged the seller with questions about doing BIN deals for more than that amount, that he upped the opening bid to $250.  The phone then went unsold.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 02, 2009, 12:06:44 AM
He priced himself right out of business.  I wonder if he contacted the highest bidder and sold it?  It hasn't been re-listed as far as I've seen.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on June 02, 2009, 01:13:53 AM
He mentioned in his explanation of the higher opening bid that he'd keep it if it didn't sell at the new price.  Said he liked the loud ring carrying through the house.  Whether that's true or not is anybody's guess.  It wouldn't surprise me a bit if it's on it's way to a new owner right about now.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: McHeath on June 02, 2009, 01:14:58 AM
Would 250 have been a fair price for that phone?  I recall looking at it as well.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 02, 2009, 09:08:21 AM
I wouldn't have been surprised to see it sell for $250 had it not started there, but that is on the high end.  I think the gray cords, especially the straight gray cord adds about $90-$100 to the price of a regular soft plastic red 500 of this vintage.   I wonder how the fact that he kept jumping the starting price effected the sale.  Maybe had he just put a reserve and a low starting bid he would have done better.

This one (attached photos) I picked up on eBay in late 2007.  It was not in as good condition cosmetically (as the current one on eBay) when I got it.  It is dated April 1955, just a few days from being another "birthday" phone for me.  I don't remember the exact price I paid but I think it was in the $150 range plus shipping.

I put together a Picasa album on the refurbish process for those that may be interested.  Maybe I have posted this before, I don't recall.

http://tinyurl.com/3uxphe   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
Love the straight cords in grey. Dennis, since you are THEE 500 guy, have you seen more straight cords on old soft plastic 500's or more curly grey ones? Thanks
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 02, 2009, 11:26:23 AM
Coiled cords are much more common.  When I see straight cords on 500 sets they are usually on black phones from 1955 or before.  I would say just based on my experience in the past few years in order of rarity, from most rare to common they are:

1:  Straight handset cords in color (i.e. yellow on a yellow phone, brown on Mahogany, etc).

2:  Neutral Gray straight handset cords (and matching mounting cords).

3:  Coiled neutral gray handset cords (often with neutral gray mounting cords).

4:  Straight black handset cords on black 500 sets.

5:  Matching colored coiled handset cord with matching mounting cord.

6:  Then you get into your modular junk, er...I mean cords.  :)

That's probably close to the progression of when these cords were released.  Probably the gray straight handset cords came on scene prior to or at the same time as the matching colored straight cords.

Recently I was able to pick up an original, never been used H4BG straight handset cord in Mahogany, dated III 55.  It will dress up my Mahogany set.  One of the collectors on the TCI/ATCA was offering a few that he came upon for sale.  They went fast and I was lucky to get one.

Another reason to be a member of one or both of these great phone clubs.  You won't find deals like that on eBay.

I don't know about being THE 500 guy but I spent more of my time playing with the early 500 sets than anything else.  I'm kind of partial to the 50's sets.  

Title: Adding to Dennis' list: Case 1.1
Post by: JorgeAmely on June 02, 2009, 02:05:54 PM
Here is a case of ivory color with ivory straight cords (ivory mounting cord as well). I have seen a case of a Rose Beige cord on a Rose Beige phone.

Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan/Panther on June 02, 2009, 02:57:11 PM
The straight handset cords may be more desirable, but it sure makes displaying them much more diffecult, simple because I'm a symmetry nut, and like the cords to lay in some form of order. So I find that all of my straight cord phones have twist ties on the cords.
D/P
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 02, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Jorge, that is one beautiful Ivory 500!
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: McHeath on June 02, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
Wow, what a nice ivory 500!
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: contraste on June 02, 2009, 05:17:52 PM
Dennis and Jorge - inspirational photos of your fantastic restoration skills.


Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 02, 2009, 05:37:13 PM
Thank you Contraste.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on June 02, 2009, 08:11:20 PM
QuoteHe mentioned in his explanation of the higher opening bid that he'd keep it if it didn't sell at the new price. 

That makes perfect sense.  God forbid you sell it at fair market value to someone who actually wants it. ::)
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Sargeguy on June 02, 2009, 10:06:57 PM
Hah!!! Just as I suspected, Mr. Helpful doesn't have a clue what he is talking about! 

http://tinyurl.com/pw26cv (http://tinyurl.com/pw26cv)   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

And, as a bonus,  I am now the proud owner of a Western Electric 410!!!
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
Thanks for the cord info Dennis, this info needs to be put in the technical section as a permanent link so new users will learn the little nuances.
Title: Mr. Helpful strikes again
Post by: JimH on June 16, 2009, 03:13:08 PM
Here's a nice quiet auction for a Mediterranean Blue 500 with a straight handset cord.  All was going well and the bidding was low until "Mr. Helpful" enlightened the seller with:

A FELLOW EBAYER PASSED ON THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION TO ME -- "THE CORRECT COLOR OF THIS PHONE IS KNOWN AS MEDITERRANEAN BLUE. THE STRAIGHT GRAY HANDSET CORD MAKES THE PHONE EXTRA SPECIAL AS COILED CORDS ARE MORE COMMON TO FIND. IT IS A SHAME THAT THERE IS NOT A TELEPHONE NUMBER CARD IN THE CENTER OF THE DIAL".

Here's the auction:

270407269081 

Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: bingster on June 16, 2009, 03:32:46 PM
Trust me, Mr Helpful isn't going to have an effect on this particular auction.  It's already been viewed more than four hundred times, so it's already on everybody's radar screens.  Everybody who has seen it knows what it is without being tipped off.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 16, 2009, 03:37:31 PM
It passed under my radar.  This is the first I've seen of it.  That is a nice phone.  The color looks very nice, not yellowed.  Over 400 viewers is a lot in the phone category. 
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: McHeath on June 16, 2009, 05:29:55 PM
Yeah I've been watching this phone for a week.  Sadly, baby needs new shoes or else I'd be in the running. 
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan on June 16, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
He says he doesn't let his auctions end early. I put him to the test with a great buy it now 20 minutes after it was listed. He declined. The offer was $450. I would never probably pay it and was just being hypothetical , but he is a man of conviction.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dennis Markham on June 16, 2009, 09:36:55 PM
I can't believe it ended with no further bids.  $202.50 is a really good price for that phone.  It's in very nice color condition with matching straight cords.  I remember paying $225 for a yellowed Med Blue a few years ago, with a gray coiled cord.  Good buy for someone.
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: Dan on June 16, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
It was a steal  @ that price. I still want that $35 one. I know they are out there ;)
Title: Re: Mr Helpful
Post by: McHeath on June 16, 2009, 11:31:54 PM
Surprising price.  E-bay remains a Byzantine mess of phone prices. 
Title: Clear Trimline & Mr. Helpful
Post by: HarrySmith on September 17, 2010, 07:48:19 AM
I think Mr. Helpful got to this one:
http://tinyurl.com/39dfxbb   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
I saw it yesterday at $9.99 and put it on watch while the Black Mushroom was ending. This morning after I missed out on the mushroom I went to bid and it was ended.
It was relisted starting at $100.00 >:(
Title: Re: Clear Trimline & Mr. Helpful
Post by: Dave F on September 18, 2010, 02:07:33 PM
It looks like yet another case of off-eBay meddling.  That sure isn't fair.  I would have liked an opportunity to bid on it as well.
Title: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Greg G. on October 02, 2010, 03:36:23 PM
This bothers me because as a buyer, I don't like others intervening if the seller hasn't taken the time to research the item they're selling.  Granted, it would have probably taken more time than they wanted to invest in order to get detailed info, but anybody interested in the phone would probably already know.  It's especially irritating in that the person who volunteered the info wasn't even interested in buying it (0 bids so far).

When I find something for sale, be it a phone or something else, I don't volunteer information, but neither do I bs them about it, I just keep my mouth shut.  That's the way buying/selling works - on ebay, CL, or anywhere else.  That may sound hard-nosed, but that's the way life is.

As a seller, I try to research items as much as I can, but if I'm not interested in it (which is why I would be selling something in the first place), I'll take what I think is a fair price and I'm not going to spend huge amounts of time getting very detailed info.  If I find out later that I could have gotten much more, oh well, now I know!

QuoteI stand corrected on my description of the phone from an ebayer who knows a lot more about this phone than I do.

The message sent was to me as follows:

Only the handset is Bakelite, the body is a thermoplastic called Tenite. Contrary to what many people believe, Western Electric never made any phone bodies from Bakelite. They felt it was too brittle when thinly cast. Yours is a model 5302. These were made in the early 1950's using older inside parts like yours from 1949, and a newer plastic housing. They looked like the new 500 models but this way Western Electric was able to use up their stock of surplus insides.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: gpo706 on October 02, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Do you think maybe Mr "Helpful" is a ruse by the seller to pretend they know little, then have someone (or themselves) post a detailed description to boost the listing?

Just a thought...
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Greg G. on October 02, 2010, 05:31:57 PM
Quote from: gpo706 on October 02, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Do you think maybe Mr "Helpful" is a ruse by the seller to pretend they know little, then have someone (or themselves) post a detailed description to boost the listing?

Just a thought...

No, because the same thing has been going on with various other phones and sellers on ebay for some time.  There have been cases where the seller, after being contacted by "Mr. Helpful", ended the bidding and relisted it at a substantially higher starting price.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dan/Panther on October 02, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
I have long felt like Brinybay, But had to capitulate due to pressure from others.
I agree, if the seller doesn't take the time to research, they deserve to get less, and all Mr. Helpful does is drive up prices.
D/P
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Wallphone on October 02, 2010, 08:12:09 PM
Here is another one from Mr. Helpful.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140458462778 <   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

I tried to help a seller one time and he told me to buzz off. He had a wooden wall phone for sale that was obviously one of those radios that was manufactured to look like a wall phone. I told him that the buyer is going to be angry that he is misleading them. He told me to mind my own business. The radio/phone went for $120. The buyer gave him a negative feedback when he found out that he was deceived. That made my day. I haven't tried to help anyone since.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: bingster on October 02, 2010, 08:42:49 PM
In Briny's example, Mr. Helpful was Mr. Encyclopedic.  Holy cow.

I don't think this sort of thing is a seller's ploy. Rather I think it's somebody who knows something and loves nothing more than letting other people in on that fact.  He's probably more of a show-off than anything else.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: deedubya3800 on October 02, 2010, 09:32:00 PM
You know, I just noticed this very thing a few minutes ago. I found it rather irritating. It is the seller's responsibility to research what they're selling, not some random putz who's not interested in buying it. It completely ruins the buyer's chance of getting a good deal. Items that are misidentified, poorly described, or misspelled are a buyer's best friend if they know how to find them. If a seller doesn't know what they've got, then they don't deserve full price. I'm not saying that the seller is the enemy, but if someone would be happy taking $40 for an item they don't know is worth $200, don't help them out!

I don't help sellers out unless they're friends, and I don't publicize active listings unless it benefits me or someone I know. I also try to be very careful what questions I ask, because since they can post the answer on the page for everyone else to see, it could give away key information that I'm trying to use to my advantage.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Adam on October 02, 2010, 10:45:07 PM
Perhaps you could surreptitiously find out who this is by using the seller contact feature after the auctions have closed and telling the seller you have additional helpful info for Mr. Helpful and could they please tell you his eBay handle?  If you do this enough times, maybe a seller will eventually tell you.

Obviously, Mr. Helpful is a collector and thinks eBay is an informational forum.  If you tell him he's ruining it for other collectors, maybe he'll stop.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Jim Stettler on October 02, 2010, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: deedubya3800 on October 02, 2010, 09:32:00 PM


I don't help sellers out unless they're friends, and I don't publicize active listings unless it benefits me or someone I know. I also try to be very careful what questions I ask, because since they can post the answer on the page for everyone else to see, it could give away key information that I'm trying to use to my advantage.

AMEN!!!
Jim
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dave F on October 02, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
Mr. Helpful has cost me money several times on eBay, and has caused some other items to be priced out of my range.  From what I have been reading on the Forum, nobody has yet identified him/her.  Let's hope that when he/she is ultimately unmasked, the do-gooder doesn't turn out to be somebody we all know and respect.  That would ruin everybody's day.

Memo to Mr. Helpful: Get a life.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Greg G. on October 03, 2010, 05:49:32 AM
Quote from: Dave F on October 02, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
Mr. Helpful has cost me money several times on eBay, and has caused some other items to be priced out of my range.  From what I have been reading on the Forum, nobody has yet identified him/her.  Let's hope that when he/she is ultimately unmasked, the do-gooder doesn't turn out to be somebody we all know and respect.  That would ruin everybody's day.

Memo to Mr. Helpful: Get a life.

It could very possibly be more than one person who does this.  I'll give them this much, they probably mean well and just haven't stopped to think that what they're doing is rather pointless and not appreciated by buyers.  If I did find out who it was, I wouldn't "out" them publicly, only ask that they stop meddling with ebay phone sales.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: gpo706 on October 03, 2010, 09:39:45 AM
I've done the Mr Helpful stuff a few times, but only to correct mistakes, not give an appraisal of any detail, for example one of my regular sellers had some un-numbered dial card inserts as being from the Scottish Highlands, whereas they were from the Borders, just a bit of info to correct his listing, it was altered overnight, and with thanks from the seller.

Whereas another seller of badges advertised one what they thought was from my local transportation system, when I informed them it was never a badge they had issued and unfortunately I didn't know what its provenance was, they emailed me back to thank me for my information and changed the listing.

Since then the same type of badge has appeared about 6 more times with the same, first innaccurate description, obviously the same seller, so I gave up...
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: LarryInMichigan on October 03, 2010, 10:18:08 AM
Once or twice, I contacted a seller to inform them that what they were selling wasn't anywhere near what they were asking for it.  I occasionally wonder if I should contact a seller to obtain more information about an item, such as the date on the bottom, or a picture of the back, etc..  I am afraid that the seller's response will trigger some high bids and leave me out.  I have therefore bought some items on scant listing information on a gamble.

Could it possibly be that ebay is behind the "Mr. Helpful" messages?  It would certainly be in their financial interest to raise bid levels.  It could be similar to the underhanded tactics the Microsoft has used, having people pose as ordinary customers on forums, praising Microsoft's products and bashing the competitions'

Larry
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dan/Panther on October 03, 2010, 11:45:06 AM
When I bought the proto or field trial 500, I was on pins and needles for a week fearing someone was going to ask for better photos, or ask the right question, I didn't even hint at it until the item was secured.
Mr. Helpful is most likely a well established collector that forgets what it was like to get a bargain when they started out, he/she most likely forgets, that there are newbies out here, looking for the same type bargains, there comments are probably made on phones they have long lost collecting interest in, they think; "why would someone want that phone anyhow, I'M so over that phase."
D/P
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Greg G. on October 03, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: Wallphone on October 02, 2010, 08:12:09 PM
Here is another one from Mr. Helpful.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140458462778 <
I tried to help a seller one time and he told me to buzz off. He had a wooden wall phone for sale that was obviously one of those radios that was manufactured to look like a wall phone. I told him that the buyer is going to be angry that he is misleading them. He told me to mind my own business. The radio/phone went for $120. The buyer gave him a negative feedback when he found out that he was deceived. That made my day. I haven't tried to help anyone since.

This same seller has other phones, and Mr. H sent an almost verbatim blurb to them as in the example I gave:  http://tinyurl.com/293f9bx (http://tinyurl.com/293f9bx)   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dennis Markham on October 03, 2010, 09:51:19 PM
We know his name is Fred now.............
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: LarryInMichigan on October 03, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Where is Mr Helpful when you need him?  Someone please send him to http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phone-/250706167974 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phone-/250706167974) or some of the other items this seller has listed.

Larry
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: JimH on October 03, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
The same guy has a 70s "Design Line" candlestick listed for a starting bid of $200 (Buy it now price for $800).  Anyone going to snap that one up?  Maybe he needs a "Mr Helpful-in-reverse" to tell some of these people that their Design Line telephones are not worth hundreds.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Wallphone on October 03, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
I think that Fred might be the seller's name.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: baldopeacock on October 03, 2010, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on October 03, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Where is Mr Helpful when you need him?  Someone please send him to http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phone-/250706167974 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phone-/250706167974) or some of the other items this seller has listed.

Larry

Nice photo.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dennis Markham on October 03, 2010, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: Wallphone on October 03, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
I think that Fred might be the seller's name.

I think you're right, Doug.  I didn't notice the "period" before his name.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: AE_Collector on October 03, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Wallphone on October 03, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
I think that Fred might be the seller's name.

??
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dennis Markham on October 03, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
Terry in the listing that Larry posted, in the Q&A the seller responded to Mr. Friendly.  I had thought he addressed Mr. Friendly as Fred.  But it appears he was signing his response (the seller's response).

http://tinyurl.com/293f9bx   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: AE_Collector on October 03, 2010, 11:54:35 PM
Okay, I just did my homework and have caught up with you now. Thought it was "Thanks Fred" but it was thanks.....Fred.

Thanks.....Terry! (er Thanks, Dennis?)
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Sargeguy on October 04, 2010, 12:09:44 AM
I think I can lay claim to coining the term "Mr. Helpful" a while back.  It was in response to his annoying habit of notifying sellers of F-1's that they had 302s.  Since then I have run across him more times than I care to.  I don't think he is a seasoned collector because he couldn't tell that a F1W handset and AE dial means 251, or that the big brass knob means 410.  One seller even had the case cracked open with a vacuum tube showing on the "302".  Another "302" had a ringer box and magneto.  One was made by Federal.  I think this guy is a moron.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dave F on October 04, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on October 03, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
Where is Mr Helpful when you need him?  Someone please send him to http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phone-/250706167974 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-phone-/250706167974) or some of the other items this seller has listed.

Larry

What a bargain!  Let me check my bank balance and see if I have enough to cover that Buy-It-Now.  Please don't anybody grab it away from me while I am checking.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: KeithB on October 04, 2010, 01:41:19 PM
Hey, if you like that one soooooooo much, I've got one exactly like it, but looks even better, and I'll sell it to you for the same B-I-N price, or maybe even a little less, since you're a board member.  ;D
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dave F on October 04, 2010, 01:50:14 PM
That's a very generous offer -- one I almost can't refuse.  If you can toss in a dozen or so boxes of AUTOVON Card Dialer cards, we'll have some serious talking to do!!
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: DARK FATHER on October 05, 2010, 11:50:14 AM
I have never been Mr. Helpful much, but the few times that I did I was trying to correct a SERIOUS error the seller made that had nothing to do with the price.  The errors were so serious that it would have gotten the seller into trouble with Ebay for misrepresentation.  But I am no longer the Ebay Samaritan, so buyer (and seller) beware!
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: KeithB on October 05, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
I'll admit to being "Mr. Helpful", but mostly with a few antique toasters (yes :o toasters!) last year. 
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Greg G. on October 07, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
Just to clarify, the type of "helpfulness" I resent is when strangers to the seller, who aren't interested in the phone, inform the seller that what they have is a highly collectible item and can fetch much more than the original starting price asked for, and consequently the seller ups the price based on that information.  

I'm not talking about friends helping friends, and I'm not referring to the reverse situation where a seller is trying to pass something off as a genuine antique, when in fact it's repro garbage.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dave F on October 07, 2010, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on October 07, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
Just to clarify, the type of "helpfulness" I resent is when strangers to the seller, who aren't interested in the phone, inform the seller that what they have is a highly collectible item and can fetch much more than the original starting price asked for, and consequently the seller ups the price based on that information. 

I'm not talking about friends helping friends, and I'm not referring to the reverse situation where a seller is trying to pass something off as a genuine antique, when in fact it's repro garbage.

As a collector, I agree 100% with you.  However, play devil's-advocate for a moment and consider the other side.  Many sellers sell all kinds of stuff that they know little about, and it is often not possible to adequately research every item before putting it up for auction.  Mr Helpful, by doing what he does, is providing a valuable service to these sellers, even as he kicks us in the teeth.  I know that if I were selling something I knew little about, I would be very grateful if Mr H sent a little of his wisdom my way.  My collector's instinct prevents me from giving out such helpful hints to sellers; as we generally believe that it's not our duty to do others' homework for them.    But it is clear that there are really two sides to this story.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Greg G. on October 09, 2010, 06:55:55 PM
Quote from: Dave F on October 07, 2010, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on October 07, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
Just to clarify, the type of "helpfulness" I resent is when strangers to the seller, who aren't interested in the phone, inform the seller that what they have is a highly collectible item and can fetch much more than the original starting price asked for, and consequently the seller ups the price based on that information. 

I'm not talking about friends helping friends, and I'm not referring to the reverse situation where a seller is trying to pass something off as a genuine antique, when in fact it's repro garbage.

As a collector, I agree 100% with you.  However, play devil's-advocate for a moment and consider the other side.  Many sellers sell all kinds of stuff that they know little about, and it is often not possible to adequately research every item before putting it up for auction.  Mr Helpful, by doing what he does, is providing a valuable service to these sellers, even as he kicks us in the teeth.  I know that if I were selling something I knew little about, I would be very grateful if Mr H sent a little of his wisdom my way.  My collector's instinct prevents me from giving out such helpful hints to sellers; as we generally believe that it's not our duty to do others' homework for them.    But it is clear that there are really two sides to this story.

Of course the sellers aren't going to complain, and I don't blame them.  Buying/selling and dickering is a hard-nosed interaction, that's why a lot of people aren't comfortable with it.  In fact, I've always stunk at it.  I'll go buy a car at a "no-dicker-sticker" dealer rather than deal with the sneaky shysters at other dealers (with apologies to any car salesmen in the group).

With that said, I hope I didn't start something that is not in keeping with the unique level of friendliness we enjoy on this board.  My intent was to start a discussion about ebay sales and the impact that Mr. H. has on them.  It wasn't my intent to stir up an online lynching against any one person or persons. 
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dave F on October 10, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
I think we are all friends here.  As others have mentioned in other postings, it's difficult to determine the tone of someone's comments when all we have is the written word.  This is an imperfect medium, and we lose the emotion that comes from face-to-face communications, or even from phone calls for that matter.  I personally think that this topic is very instructional and useful.  Certainly, from a collector's standpoint, Mr Helpful is a royal meddling busybody.  I only meant to point out that sellers would probably not look at it that way, and perhaps Mr H himself believes he is providing some kind of worthwhile service.  However, if we ever get the opportunity, I for one would absolutely vote with you and all those who would like to find a way to shut him up.
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Jim Stettler on October 10, 2010, 01:08:29 PM
Some of those helpful folks on ebay could turn into  some good members here on the forum.

It is  handy to have a large knowledge base avaliable when you are trying to do research.
I think a lot of the "helpful" phone folks are just "lost" or bored collectors. This forum gives them pleanty of fun topics.
JMO,
Jim
Title: Re: On being "Mr. Helpful" - Would you PLEASE STOP with this already?!
Post by: Dave F on October 10, 2010, 01:26:30 PM
Quote from: Jim S. on October 10, 2010, 01:08:29 PM
Some of those helpful folks on ebay could turn into  some good members here on the forum.

It is  handy to have a large knowledge base avaliable when you are trying to do research.
I think a lot of the "helpful" phone folks are just "lost" or bored collectors. This forum gives them pleanty of fun topics.
JMO,
Jim

True enough.  But you would hope that if he himself is a collector (lost, bored, or otherwise), he might take a moment to consider the cost he is inflicting on the rest of us.  I would welcome having him share his knowledge here on the forum, and leave eBay to the bidders.
Title: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Dave F on November 15, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
View Mr. Helpful's latest eBay contribution here:

http://tinyurl.com/268xkjm   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Jester on November 15, 2010, 02:37:48 PM
I'm thankful Mr. Helpful miscalled this one last week:
http://tinyurl.com/35ea4sd (http://tinyurl.com/35ea4sd)   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

I was looking for specific parts to make the 532 I won this summer function properly, and this one looked like a good gamble.  There is a good chance that what I'm after is bad on this phone, too, but the price stayed reasonable enough to try.  The right 2 cents' worth might have shot me down. 
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Dave F on November 15, 2010, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Jester on November 15, 2010, 02:37:48 PM
I'm thankful Mr. Helpful miscalled this one last week:
http://tinyurl.com/35ea4sd
(http://tinyurl.com/35ea4sd)
I was looking for specific parts to make the 532 I won this summer function properly, and this one looked like a good gamble.  There is a good chance that what I'm after is bad on this phone, too, but the price stayed reasonable enough to try.  The right 2 cents' worth might have shot me down. 
Yeah, that was probably his intern-in-training putting in some quality time!
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: JorgeAmely on November 15, 2010, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Jester on November 15, 2010, 02:37:48 PM
I'm thankful Mr. Helpful miscalled this one last week:
http://tinyurl.com/35ea4sd
(http://tinyurl.com/35ea4sd)
I was looking for specific parts to make the 532 I won this summer function properly, and this one looked like a good gamble.  There is a good chance that what I'm after is bad on this phone, too, but the price stayed reasonable enough to try.  The right 2 cents' worth might have shot me down.  

Jester:
It doesn't look like his writing style. Mr. H. has an elaborate way of explaining things. This guy's explanation was kind of short. I am not a detective, but like to watch NCIS episodes a lot.  ;D ;D ;D

Anyway, what's wrong with your 532?
 
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Jester on November 15, 2010, 04:01:12 PM
I'm a Jethro Gibbs fan myself.

The dialtone is faint, and the potentiometer has little affect. I've chased the problem to the amp., but I am not sure how to find the defective component in it.  I have been meaning to either PM you or post a request to the troubleshooting page, but this one came up & I thought I'd see if this cures the problem.  I'll probably still ask some questions later about the bad one--I'll bet that there aren't many that have pried that amp. assy. out of its little box & are dying to know what's in there! :D
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: JorgeAmely on November 15, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
Jester:

Have you tried to bypass the potentiometer out of the circuit? When the wiper travels from end to end, it shorts from wiper to either end of the potentiometer. You can do the same with a jumper to eliminate it from the circuit and see if it is bad.

Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Dan/Panther on November 15, 2010, 07:11:46 PM
I sent the following email to the seller. I wish he would post it, but he won't.

Being that the volume control is not functioning properly, your phone may have sold for a higher price if Mr. Helpful had not pointed out what the button was for. Then you said it didn't work. Collectors know what it's for.

D/P 
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Jester on November 15, 2010, 07:16:36 PM
Jorge,
I did try bypassing the switch with no result.  I also installed that potentiometer in the green 532 & got normal dialtone.  I'll start a thread on the troubleshooting page so we can discuss this further--I don't want Dennis to feel he needs to moderate this thread.

To get back to the previous topic, I now see the pattern with Mr. Helpful's descriptions that you pointed out earlier.  I was under the impression that anyone that offered an open ended, unsolicited explanation of a seller's auction was referred to by that name.  
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Jester on November 15, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
I wouldn't ding this phone because the potentiometer isn't affecting the volume.  If you look at the detail shot showing the amp., you'll notice an empty binding post in the center lefthand portion of the terminal block.  If memory serves, one of the receiver leads from the handset should terminate there--meaning the handset is probably wired directly to the 425B network & is bypassing the amp. circuit.
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: JorgeAmely on November 15, 2010, 08:33:33 PM
Jester:

Could it be the bridge rectifier (polarity guard) that sits under the dial? Here are some pictures. although mine is just plain vanilla black. I took some pictures of the network and the amplifier. As you can see, the handset cord was bad and required a couple of coils to be removed and some leads repaired with shrink sleeving. Except for some noise when you turn the pot, it works very nice.

I have to say "Hats off" to the Bell engineers for creating a cool amplifier with just one transistor.

Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: Jester on November 15, 2010, 09:39:35 PM
Jorge,
You may be right about the bridge rectifier, but I think I ruled that out, too.  BTW, this 532 is also plain vanilla black.  The base is dated 10/55 but almost everything else--including the parts inside the amp--are dated 9/57.  The dial is a 7G-3--it has an extra set of shunt contacts to short the amp. side of the receiver circuit when dialing.
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful: Still hard at work
Post by: JorgeAmely on November 15, 2010, 09:44:20 PM
Mmm, I thought yours was green. If that is the case, you could sit each next to the other and connect a battery in between both and do some basic measurements with a DVM between the good and the bad to see where the bug is.
Title: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: Dave F on December 15, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
Pink Mushroom phone for only $1149, and free shipping too!

http://cgi.ebay.com/300505194302   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

Honey, you had better forget about that weekend in Vegas, I'm buying another phone!!
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: HarrySmith on December 15, 2010, 01:08:06 PM
Dave, I sold that phone to him!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290483921722   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: Dave F on December 15, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: HarrySmith on December 15, 2010, 01:08:06 PM
Dave, I sold that phone to him!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290483921722
I'm trying to think of something clever and witty to say, but I just can't think of anything suitable for this family forum.  I know it's a "buyer beware" world, but there ought to be law....  You wanna know something Harry, somewhere out there is a poor soul who might actually buy it.

Dave
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: HarrySmith on December 15, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
I certainly hope not and it does not look too promising, this is his third time relisting it!
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: NorthernMan on December 15, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
He forgot to use the words  " RARE"  or "VERY RARE"  then it would sell easy ;).

On a similar Ebay topic do you notice more and more that sellers are using an outrageous BIN price to make the buyer feel like he got a deal.  Sheesh !  I guess that's marketing 101.
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: AE_Collector on December 15, 2010, 05:34:30 PM
I think there is another thread discussing the last time he listed it. Hasn't it gone UP in price since it didn't sell last time??

Terry
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: HarrySmith on December 15, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
Yes, I think I mentioned it last time or the first time he listed it. The price is still the same. What would make a person think something he paid $146.00 for will sell in the same venue for 10 times that?? Makes no sense to me, everyone on eBay had the same chance to buy this phone for less than $200.00. Every time I see it I really want to ask him that!
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: Dave F on December 15, 2010, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: HarrySmith on December 15, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
What would make a person think something he paid $146.00 for will sell in the same venue for 10 times that?? <snip>
He's probably hoping that some snooty interior decorator or other transient eBay user will stumble upon it and find it irresistible.  Most regular folks have never seen the likes of a mushroom phone, and the high price could convince them of it's rarity and "obvious" value.  After all, nobody with any brains (or a sense of decency) would ever try to sell something for $1100 if they knew it was only worth $150, would they?  I know it's not my job to keep the world safe for dummies, but still it is annoying seeing anybody getting taken for a ride. 
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: Dan/Panther on December 18, 2010, 02:24:57 PM
Harry;

When he got the phone from you, he got a real bargain. It should have sold for 2 or 3 times that.

Mushroom, in Pink, in that condition. I'm gonna offer him a grand.... :o

D/P
Title: Re: Where is Mr. Helpful when we need him?
Post by: HarrySmith on December 18, 2010, 02:41:50 PM
Yes, I agree. I expected it to go for $3 - 400.
Go for it ;D
Title: Once again, Mr. Helpful helps
Post by: Ed D on May 08, 2011, 09:37:27 PM
Not sure how collectible or desirable this is, but Mr. Helpful flagged another phone he cites as fairly rare...  Item # 160581926582 on the bay, a North 540.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1956-North-Electric-rotary-desk-telephone-working-cond-/160581926582   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

Title: Re: Once again, Mr. Helpful helps
Post by: ESalter on May 09, 2011, 09:59:34 AM
I've seen a heck of a lot of phones but never one of those until a few weeks ago.  I picked one up at the local antique store, I thought the flush mounted fingerwheel was pretty neat.  It's missing the numbercard retainer, sadly.  I posted on here asking if anyone has an extra one but didn't get a single reply, so maybe they are fairly rare.
Title: Re: Once again, Mr. Helpful helps
Post by: Dennis Markham on May 09, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
Jorge Amely shared one of his albums with us in the past.  Check out the restoration he did on one of these North models.

http://tinyurl.com/3lu2jhu   ( dead link 02-15-21 )
Title: Re: Once again, Mr. Helpful helps
Post by: JorgeAmely on May 09, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
Dennis:

When I restored that phone, I also created an album on how to restore the dial.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Amelyenator/NorthElectricModel541DialOverhaulProcedure#   ( dead link 02-15-21 )

I am lucky to have two of these phones: the 1956 model shown in the album and a 1958 model. The 1958 has a steel base, painted in black and features a more modern ringer, which looks like a C4A. It also has a vinyl handset cord from that year.

Title: Re: Once again, Mr. Helpful helps
Post by: Dennis Markham on May 09, 2011, 05:10:49 PM
Thank you, Jorge for reminding us about the dial restoration album.  I had forgotten about that one.

I do not have a similar desk set but I do have this model in a wall set.  It is not yet refurbished...but on the "things to do" list. :)
Title: Mr. Helpful
Post by: wds on February 28, 2012, 09:07:21 AM
It has been quiet on the "Mr Helpful" front lately, but I think he's back.  Could this be him?

http://tinyurl.com/mrhelpful  ( dead link 02-15-21 )


Q: This is a subset for a 1920's thru 1940's Western Electric telephone. Has nothing to do with a door bell or alarm. Good luck.
A: Thanks for the info. I always like to learn. Brian.
Title: Re: Mr. Helpful
Post by: Vern P on February 29, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
Well if you don't now what it is or how used, make up a good story or name for it. I guess. :<)  Looks like a nice 534 to me.

Vern P
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: AE_Collector on January 28, 2013, 11:40:45 AM
Has "Mister Helpfull" been on vacation or have we all just become bored with complaining about him?

Terry
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: JorgeAmely on January 28, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
Terry:
He lives in the northern states, so he is currently hibernating.
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Greg G. on January 28, 2013, 02:59:20 PM
Now that you mention it, I haven't seen him on ebay recently.
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: AE_Collector on January 28, 2013, 03:15:44 PM
Darn, and I made him his very own "Super Topic" here on the Forum by merging a bunch of his threads together.

Jorge: I thought he was from CA? Oh I forgot, same thing as "up north" as far as Weather goes :)

Terry
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Doug Rose on January 28, 2013, 04:07:59 PM
I think he is a she. I think she is a past contibutor to our very own Forum.
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Greg G. on January 28, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
As much as a pest we think Mr. Helpful is, you have to admit it's tempting to share your knowledge about what a seller has, especially if they have it (unintentionally) misrepresented or incorrect info.  I almost did that recently on a phone listed on ebay that I don't want, but only watching to see what it sells for because I have one that is very similar and like to keep track of what they sell for.  To be more specific, the seller thought the patent date was the manufacture date.  I was tempted to correct them, but held my tongue, or typing as the case may be.  

I have to remind myself not to bore non-collectors when the subject happens to come up, such as at yard sales.
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Cindy67 on January 28, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
I have seen so many times they have no time to fix.  I am still learning on how to spot a fake, if updated if it still needs ringer box, here's 2 good examples of ebay candlestick phone I just am not sure.  Poplar and sageguy helped in another thread but if I ask no questions I won't learn...
# 170980494751 the guys input was there were a few red flags...another they said it was geat, but this one idk item# 310579420920 & item#  130841912748...

Thank you
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Cindy67 on January 28, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on January 28, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
As much as a pest we think they are, you have to admit it's tempting to share your knowledge about what a seller has, especially if they have it (unintentionally) misrepresented or incorrect info.  I almost did that recently on a phone listed on ebay that I don't want, but only watching to see what it sells for because I have one that is very similar and like to keep track of what they sell for.  To be more specific, the seller thought the patent date was the manufacture date.  I was tempted to correct them, but held my tongue, or typing as the case may be. 

I have to remind myself not to bore non-collectors when the subject happens to come up, such as at yard sales.

No no I meant I am a pest!  I am a woman!  Idk a thing on these phones. I only posted here this question b/c I saw it involved ebay phones
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Greg G. on January 28, 2013, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: Cindy67 on January 28, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on January 28, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
As much as a pest we think they are, you have to admit it's tempting to share your knowledge about what a seller has, especially if they have it (unintentionally) misrepresented or incorrect info.  I almost did that recently on a phone listed on ebay that I don't want, but only watching to see what it sells for because I have one that is very similar and like to keep track of what they sell for.  To be more specific, the seller thought the patent date was the manufacture date.  I was tempted to correct them, but held my tongue, or typing as the case may be.  

I have to remind myself not to bore non-collectors when the subject happens to come up, such as at yard sales.

No no I meant I am a pest!  I am a woman!  Idk a thing on these phones. I only posted here this question b/c I saw it involved ebay phones

:D Cindy - I think you're posting in the wrong thread!  This thread has nothing to do with your hunt for a phone.  "Mr. Helpful" is a particular person on ebay (we don't know who, it may be more than one person) who has a bad habit of pointing out to sellers that they actually have a very valuable phone that they were selling cheap.
Title: Re: ebaY's "Mr Helpful"
Post by: Cindy67 on January 28, 2013, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Brinybay on January 28, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
:D Cindy - I think you're posting in the wrong thread!  This thread has nothing to do with your hunt for a phone.  "Mr. Helpful" is a particular person on ebay (we don't know who, it may be more than one person) who has a bad habit of pointing out to sellers that they actually have a very valuable phone that they were selling cheap.


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