Anticipating 6 Boxes and now more Goodies!

[DavePEI]

Do you have a pic of the base plate? There may be a coded date. There may also be some coding inside the handset and on the capacitors inside, and of course on the back of the dial.

I will double check the base plate earlier this afternoon. I didn't notice anything on it when I took the photo, but may have missed faint markings....

I am wondering if the black wooden box under it is the junction box you mentioned. It is original from the looks of it, and has the HS stamped logo on the top. It is just about the size of the phone base.

I will also have to remove the receiver cap to see if there is a date there. It is missing its transmitter element and cap.

Great information!

Dave

[Matilo Telephones]

The transmitter cap consists of 2 parts. In this case a metal ring (later versions have a soft plastic ring) and a half ball shaped part, with slits (halbkugel). I have a pic if you like.

The box under the phone may indeed be the junction box. But I have never seen this particular model. I have seen German ones, but they have a different housing. This model may be particular to Austria.

How did it end up with your friend? Is there some provenance?

It is quite an insteresting phone, as is that coin phone (pregnant beluge).

[DavePEI]

Do you have a pic of the base plate? There may be a coded date. There may also be some coding inside the handset and on the capacitors inside, and of course on the back of the dial.

Sorry. Arwin:  I didn't get back to this today due to visitors (my son visiting from Ottawa), and a Panasonic KSU I have been waiting for arrived. So between that, entertaining, BBQ'ing etc. I never got back at it.

I will try tomorrow to get better photos of it, of the inside of the phone and connection box, any numbers on it, etc.

Too bad the transmitter and cap are missing - it sounds as though it may be tough finding replacements.

As far as provenance is concerned, there really is none. These were given me by Don Woodbury, owner of OldPhoneWorks as part of his inventory clear out. He buys complete collections and refurbisher's stock, so this basically could have come from anywhere. There are items which needed a lot of work and likely weren't worth putting the expense and work into them to make them saleable. So these were just bits and pieces of things he doesn't deal with that were taking up space in his warehouse. Great though when someone like myself has the time and inclination to work on them.

I do have many other interesting items in the lot I hope to get photos of, too.

Will get back to you tomorrow!

Dave

[Matilo Telephones]

No hurry, there Dave. Real life is more important.

[DavePEI]

No hurry, there Dave. Real life is more important.

Ya, but this is something I really wanted to get done 

Here are the photos...

1) Marking behind Receiver of handset.

2) Schematic inside base of phone.

3) S&H marking on top of wooden connection box.

4) Interior of wooden connection box showing connections and a relay.

5) Diagram inside cover of connection box.

6) Interior of phone.

All photos can be enlarged by clicking on them.

No luck finding a transmitter cover or parts to fit or for a transmitter to fit...


Dave

[DavePEI]

Ok, here's a question for those ,ore familiar with early German phones... I suspect this is the round disk brought out to the lower front panel of the phone. What is it, what is it for? Counter of some sort?

Dave

[dsk]

Yes, it is an visible indicator, like a lamp, but needs less current. The same system are used on the US field telephone TA-1/TP.

dsk

PS may you try to post the complete wiring diagram from the phone?

DS

[DavePEI]

PS may you try to post the complete wiring diagram from the phone?

Best I can do. The diagram isn't in great shape and is filthy. But, if I clean it it will obliterate it. The last one got cut off on the right hand side a bit.

Dave

[Matilo Telephones]

Ok, here's a question for those ,ore familiar with early German phones... I suspect this is the round disk brought out to the lower front panel of the phone. What is it, what is it for? Counter of some sort?

Dave

As Dag said, it is an indicator. We call it a blinker. There is a white star shaped part hidden. It turns when current is applied. The white star appears behind the window.

Some phones have more of these. You see them often on these types of European phones.

There is a date stamp in the handset. I´ll decode it. I´ll post more about that later. If we are lucky it also gives the place of manufacture.

[Matilo Telephones]

Here we go:

On the inside of the receiver end of the handset there is the code WL11

W is the place of manufacture. In this case Wien Apostelgasse, Vienna Apostle street

So Austria, as I expected.

L is for the year of production. In this case 1930.

11 is the month.

So, Vienna 1930 november.

See here for more info about decoding Siemens date stamps (in German):

http://www.wasser.de/telefon-alt/forum/index.pl?job=thema&tnr=100000000003004

[DavePEI]

Hi Arwin:

That is really neat to know all of that about it. Thank you so much!

Dave

[dsk]

  I guess someone e.g. Arwin may help to make this translation better.

dsk

[LarryInMichigan]

I read that Austrian dials were originally numbered 0-9 like the Swedish ones, but when Germany annexed Austria, that was changed: http://www.henderson-tele.com/vtm/de/de/1933-1948.html.

Larry

[Matilo Telephones]

I guess someone e.g. Arwin may help to make this translation better.

dsk

I have been looking at those and I am a bit puzzled by these terms. They are unusual. I think because they are archaic Austrian. The word Hebel means switch. But the Germans normally say Schalter, which has the same meaning.

Anyway, my thoughts:

Battery, Dial. I agree. N near the word dial might mean Numernschalter, dial.

To the left the letters F and M. F is Fernsprecher, telephone, receiver. M microphon transmitter.

Abfr Feders Abfrage Feders. Something like outgoing Springblades. There is another one on the other side called  Ruf Feders. Outgoing Springblades. These correspond with the double hookswitch like parts, show on the picture of the inside.

I think you press one switch for incoming calls, and one for outgoing?

Amtshebel: Amt is exchange. Exchangeswitch.

a and b are the outside line, trunk line

Then ringer, there is a W for Wecker, which means ringer.

And that other part, I agree, is to the other phones. I think the row of switches on the front is represented there.

[Matilo Telephones]

I read that Austrian dials were originally numbered 0-9 like the Swedish ones, but when Germany annexed Austria, that was changed: http://www.henderson-tele.com/vtm/de/de/1933-1948.html.

Larry

Ah yes, Larry. That would explain it. Very informative site there. Really good info and a lot of it. I read it often. A brilliant source of info on German and central european phones with a lot of good background info.