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Telephone Switching => Key Systems (Electronic, 1A2 etc) => Electro-Mehanical Key Systems (1A1, 1A2 etc) => Topic started by: RB on June 19, 2019, 12:39:40 PM

Title: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: RB on June 19, 2019, 12:39:40 PM
Can someone post a schematic for a 1a1/2 key system?
Can't for the life of me find one ???
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: Babybearjs on June 19, 2019, 01:39:21 PM
which one do you need? the TCI Library has them, but you need to know which model you need the information on....
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: RB on June 19, 2019, 02:44:10 PM
The basic model would be fine
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: Babybearjs on June 19, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
you need to go to the TCI Library and download a copy of the KSSM. its the Key System Service Manual. it will give you pretty much everything you need. also there is a copy of the 1955 1A1 manual in the library, that will help too!
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: Key2871 on June 19, 2019, 05:25:24 PM
What KSU do you have? Because that also helps to know.
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: HarrySmith on June 19, 2019, 06:14:26 PM
1A1 & 1A2 is a pretty broad description. KSU's, power supplies, telephones etc. I think you need to be a little more specific on exactly what you are looking for. Whatever it is, it will be out there somewhere.
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: RB on June 20, 2019, 06:30:38 AM
OK, did not realize I was asking such a broad question.
specifically, I am interested in the area of the lite and buzzer circuits.
I wish to see how they are powered, and how they are routed to each phone.
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: erco77 on June 08, 2022, 09:50:16 PM
I'm a little late to answer this, but just joined today, and thought: well it's never too late, lol..

First, there are some good textual descriptions of 1A2 on the web (warning: one I wrote, lol):


When I first started learning about 1A2 phones and how they interact with the KSU (control unit), I started with this "condensed functional schematic" from a Bell System Practices document (518-215-125) on the 400D line cards:

(http://seriss.com/people/erco/1a2/400d-condensed-functional-schematic.jpg)

It might be hard to read at first, as it uses a lot of Bell System symbols that take some time to get used to. But it shows a simplified view of how a single line is managed: the phone line comes in as a tip/ring (T and R) pair of wires (blue), and connects to the 1A2 phone (orange) through the KSU (just about everything else in that diagram), showing the 400D line card (purple) and the line card's connector (green).

For the phone (orange) it shows the important signals:


Of interest in that diagram are some symbols that may seem strange even to those familiar with electronic schematics: "X" and "|" symbols represent "normally open" and "normally closed" switch contacts, and when combined with thin vertical rectangles that represent a relay coil, can define various components of a single relay:

(http://seriss.com/1a2-ksu/rev-j5/data/images/fig-relay.png)

As an example, in the 400D KTU (purple), you will see a "B" thin rectangle which is the coil for the "normally open" contact for all the "X" symbols with a "B" next to it.

If all that's a bit much, some time ago I made this diagram of the phone and KSU with even more reduction in detail that is perhaps a bit clearer using more common schematic symbology for switches:

(http://seriss.com/people/erco/1a2/1a2-station-circuit-simple-on-hook-with-lamp.png)
Here's a wiring diagram for a typical 1A2 phone's amphenol connector (the 50 pin connector you see at the end of all 1A2 phone's mounting cords):
http://seriss.com/people/erco/1a2/2564-pinout.html (http://seriss.com/people/erco/1a2/2564-pinout.html)
..a diagram that's based on various Bell System documents, such as:
http://seriss.com/people/erco/1a2/2564-schematic.html (http://seriss.com/people/erco/1a2/2564-schematic.html)

Anyway, as others have mentioned, there's a lot of documentation on all this in the form of "Bell System Practices" documents, which all have 9 digit numbers (###-###-###) and are now organized pretty well by various folks on the net into PDFs so that they can easily be found by a google search for the number, or going on those websites directly.

Some websites I have bookmarked that have Bell System Practices:

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These documents are mostly intended for phone installers who are either installing or troubleshooting phone systems. One has to really immerse oneself in it to put it all together.
Title: Re: 1a1 1a2 schematics needed
Post by: 5415551212 on June 23, 2022, 10:05:45 PM
Great post welcome to the forum erco!