Hi everybody,
I finally won some new to me phones. AE 182's with a ac cord for the dial that lights up or glows.
Here are the e-bay pics.
I will post more pics when the phones get here. stub
They look like the princess' ugly sister, the one who wears square glasses....
I have six or seven of the older Starlites. I like their look. I only have one of them with the AC cord and it works very well. They are more difficult to find. A couple of years ago a collector at the Mason, MI phone show had a snow white one for sale for $90. It went quickly.
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2010, 08:42:54 AM
They look like the princess' ugly sister, the one who wears square glasses....
That is a common response from non AE folks to the AE Starlite. They aren't quite as small and gracefull as the Princess phone but I have a hard time considering them remotely close to ugly.
My Stock reponse is "at least AE didn't just get a license and copy the Princess phone but rather they designed their own unique version from the ground up".
The Starlite had much better light distribution on the dial than the Princess. The number plate glows from the back evenly unlike the regular light bulb on one side of the Princess dial. GTE Sylvania was involved in the developement of electroluminescence in the late 50's and put it to use in the Starlite phone.
Terry
Here's a shot I took of my pink Starlite with its electroluminescent dial all lit up. Forgive the blurry focus, but the light had to be dim in order to get a picture of it.
That's sweet. Anybody know why AE stopped making them that way?
I suspect that they had no end of troubles with electrical authorities. The original sets like Harry's had 120VAC right into the base AND the base was metal. There were current limiting resistors in the base but that wouldn't matter once the phone slid off the edge of the bathtub and landed in the bath tub with you.
So they quickly redesigned them so that the current limiting resistors were in a wall plug and the installer wired to the tel set block where the already current limited 120VAC went into the phone in a 4th & 5th conductor of the set cord. Here in Canada they had to make the set cord heavier stranded conductors but it doesn't appear that they had to do that for US Starlite phones.
I don't know if they continued to have problems with the authorities after this change as this arrangement carried on for quite awhile but once they began making Touch Call versions of the 182 Starlite they dropped the illumination all together.
Terry
Wow, that's quite a nice light show. I had never seen one lit up before now.
Hi everybody,
I got the 182's in and the blue one had to be sanded to make it forget not blue again, pic looks blue but it's really ugly green. Plastic base is sanded and I cleaned up the base of the phone . I'll do the handset later.
The electroluminescent dial would not work so I took it apart and fixed it and now it works fine. I had another green one that wouldn't light up so I fixed it too. I think I can repair most of these if the the electroluminescent dial ring is not broken, most of the problems I have seen from these are loose connections at base where the wires are pluged. I'll post how later when I see how long the repair last!!
I'll post pics when I get done . Keep all your phones ringing!
stub
Here 's one of three repaired 182 electroluminescent dial lights.
stub
Terry,
Thanks again. stub
There's some interesting info on Starlites in the TCI Library. Search for Starlite or 182 or follow these links for starters...
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=3515&Itemid=2
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=691&Itemid=2
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=68&Itemid=2
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=3514&Itemid=2
Starlite telephones with glowing dials are hypnotizing me :D
So far, I have not seen any wall Starlites with glowing dials.
My only Starlite is a black wall model 1974 without glowing dial.
I would like to have a glowing dial on that one, any Ideas of what solution I could consider.
I don't want to buy something I cant use, and shipping to Norway is $40-50 for one Starlite.
I will be happy for any Ideas to solve this.
Regards
dsk
You can put the dial from a desk starlite into a wall starlite. Some early wall starlite's had illuminatIng dials but not too often.
Terry
Nice work.
Yes a kitchen wall Starlite with electroluminescent dial would be a great idea. Make it easy to find the phone in the dark.
Agreed, the early versions could be dangerous in the wrong hands.
Has anyone ever determined if the blue light spectrum from those includes enough UV to be a risk of yellowing whatever handset is hung up across them?
The UV exposure has to be much worse from the outside. Look at the picture I posted of my pink Starlite and notice how yellowed the dial face is compared to Stub's two Starlites. That's the part that really shows the UV exposure. And it's the whole top of the dial face and not just where the electroluminescent ring is located.
I think one reason the wall Starlites didn't come with luminescent dials very often was the lack of a close-by electrical outlet for the dial. Kitchens in the 1950s and 60s were not blessed with outlets like they are today. Basements and garages even more so.
d_s_k,
You mean like this ::) This one I made out of a wall set, 192, and the dial out of a early 182 . I'll show you how when I find all the stuff, cord and current limiting plug, I need to make it safe!! :o!! The dial light operates on 110 AC !! Can you post a pic of the inside of your wall Starlite? I can't never find parts in this place when I need them!!! stub
Terry, I knew about the AE 80 with a dial light but I didn't know AE made these in the wall version :o
stub
d_s_k,
You can ask some of the Forum members if they have any of the AE current limiting plugs left. You will need one like this.
Now , where did I put that cord at ??? stub
Alternately, someone who has one of those plugs and a decent ohm meter can measure the actual resistance and post that information here. Then you can make up a power cord to a terminal strip in a plastic box, with the resistor in series with the Hot lead, to an output cord that can be connected to the phone.
Also you definitely want these AC plugs plugged into an outlet equipped with a GFCI (ground fault circuit interruptor) right at the outlet, "just in case."
Here you go - Top diagram- just leave off the adj . 800K pot.
On the bottom one just leave off the bright, dim , and off switch,on the bottom of phone ( clearance issue ) and hook the dial light to C and D. stub
WE might need Bingster to move this to Technical "Stuff" stub
If I get the dial I have to measure some forth and back, and find both right current, and voltage to put into that lamp.
We have 230v here so either I have to set it up as in the wiring diagram, and use a transformer to 110V, or just find a transformer to considerable lower voltage (whatever needed to the lamp itselves) and limit the current if needed with a resistor.
Really good trim for the brain ;D
dsk
d_s_k ,
Here's what I ended up with-
Today I was supposed to be a domestic engineer ::)
stub
click on pic to enlarge
I was going to say that D_S_K had a bigger problem than finding the current limiting plugs, he has to find 120VAC!
The Electroluminescent Strip does work directly off of 120VAC so there could be a relatively wide tolerance for the correct voltage. Maybe some on-line research might tell what the voltage range can be.
I have seen 192's (Starlite Wall Phones) with the correct dial for illumination but I don't believe that I have ever seen one with he slide switch for intensity level installed so that makes me wonder if the wall phone was ever intended to be able to illuminate. The Starlite Wall phone came along quite awhile after the original Starlite Desk Phone so maybe AE had already killed the Illumination option by the time they introduced the Wall phone.
Terry
d_s_k,
Can you post an inside pic of your 192 Wall Starlite? I'll see if we can find some of the stuff you will need, give us a few days and I'll let you know . I can't help with the 230 ACV , it needs to be 120 ACV. stub
Now all we need is a picture of ::) somebodies ::) AE-82 lighted dial, lit up! :o stub
Quote from: stub1953 on November 04, 2011, 12:04:31 AM
d_s_k,
Can you post an inside pic of your 192 Wall Starlite? I'll see if we can find some of the stuff you will need, give us a few days and I'll let you know . I can't help with the 230 ACV , it needs to be 120 ACV. stub
Now all we need is a picture of ::) somebodies ::) AE-82 lighted dial, lit up! :o stub
I shall take some pictures and show them here.
(later today the time difference may be factor of the term today ;) Lunch here at job now)
d_s_k ,
Is your 192 Starlite insides like mine ? stub
As far as I can see.
dsk
d_s_k,
Do you need the current limiting resistor plug or will you have to build something to adapt your power to 115 ? stub
For me it will look better with that plug, but I have to add in additional resistors in the telephone jack.
Probably I'm the only one who ever will observe that plug is an original item to the telephone.
Technically its no need for that, everything could be fitted into a Norwegian plug, and I have all the parts needed..
Thank you
dsk
Is it possible to make it easy?
I guess so.
I just had to make an adapter after my own head.
New thinking, and ending up not far from earlier suggestions.
4x 1/4 W resistors of 91 kOhms in series between the 230V tapping out 1/2 voltage over the 2 middle resistors.
I just hope it will work. I had to test out design and production. Lots of glue :-\ but it looks not bad.
Look at the way the AE cord is secured. ;D
dsk
Edit: diagram attached.
d_s_k ,
That looks great!! You will need to move the yellow wire over to green L2 side . Will that size cable come out the bottom of your phone where the the off,dim and bright slide switch would be ?
Do you still need the AE current limiting plug? stub
Thank you, but I think this is the way to do it here, so I don't need the original plug. If it doesent work, I have to experiment a little with resistors, but I 'm quite sure this will do the job.
:D
dsk
PS Should probably been more accurate with the colors red Blue and Black but they are intended to deliver AC so it doesent really matter.
Thank you for the tip about Yellow green. Have to find a black cord to the black wall telephone.
DS
Hey Stub,
I'm Sherry from Alabama & Good Morning to you,
I'm new to the site and a Newby so I'm learning. I have a silly question-what does AE stand for?
Thanks, Sherry or (Bamagirl88)
Sherry,
Automatic Electric. Welcome to the Forum!!! I hope you can get the fading out without sanding!!!! stub