Is this a military WE 302? I think so...

[Alex G. Bell]

Sorry on all that confusion.

So far, very few have chimed in on details on the phone. I have an entire thread on the repair going for a few weeks.
And as I stated a few times... I'm a complete novice. I'm no phone pro at all. All I've done is google search for details and TP 6 came up with a "wide model" phone, that looks toaster sized. And that's what's printed on the handset... pictured in the other thread.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=18256.0 SEE REPLY #12 for picture.
Everything I looked up showed the phone to be a WE302 EW.
The transmitter/receiver elements are just marked HA1 and F1. There's no numbers on the faces. On the side of the HA 1 is marked in red
-7 1 52-1
I won't assume anything here - it gets me in trouble! 


This stuff should all be moved to the other thread I think... I was attempting just to show the cosmetic repair here.

No problem.  I think the issue here is that the handset says: "Handset For TP-6-A", which is not really the same as a "TP-6-A handset"

[HarrySmith]

I found the thread that has my TP 6A in it. I ended up painting it Purple! Many other Toasters in that thread also.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3028.msg53827#msg53827

[mentalstampede]

The confusion comes in that phones meeting the TP-6-A specification were produced by several manufacturers, so there's a tremendous amount of variation in components and aesthetic design. I know they were made by North Electric and Connecticut Telephone & Electric in addition to Western Electric. The Western Electric version you have resembles a 302 and uses several 302 compatible components, including a specially produced F1 type handset. To complicate matters, they also used special A.E. type dials. But the only thing that is the same between manufacturers is the wiring diagram, dial, and maybe the transmitter and receiver elements.

I've attached a picture of the North and Connecticut variants in my collection.

[Alex G. Bell]

The confusion comes in that phones meeting the TP-6-A specification were produced by several manufacturers, so there's a tremendous amount of variation in components and aesthetic design. I know they were made by North Electric and Connecticut Telephone & Electric in addition to Western Electric. The Western Electric version you have resembles a 302 and uses several 302 compatible components, including a specially produced F1 type handset. To complicate matters, they also used special A.E. type dials. But the only thing that is the same between manufacturers is the wiring diagram, dial, and maybe the transmitter and receiver elements.

I think that's not exactly accurate.  North and CT&E both made interchangeable clones of the WECo 101A IND coil, and at least CT&E made HA1 rec. and F1 trans. unit clones.  Not sure about the capacitors.  So the esthetics were different but IIRC, key functional components were interchangeable. 

North both used WECo-made parts and made their own for the Galion "H" series sets.

[mentalstampede]

I think that's not exactly accurate.  North and CT&E both made interchangeable clones of the WECo 101A IND coil, and at least CT&E made HA1 rec. and F1 trans. unit clones.  Not sure about the capacitors.  So the esthetics were different but IIRC, key functional components were interchangeable. 

North both used WECo-made parts and made their own for the Galion "H" series sets.

That's what I was trying to say. The circuits are the same, they just look different. Pretty much all of the functional components are interchangable from my North to my CT&E.

[shortrackskater]

Looks good but you need a number card holder assembly for the middle of the finger wheel to make it look complete.

Hmmm does anyone here have a number card holder for sale? Aftermarket is fine if they make them.

[mentalstampede]

Hmmm does anyone here have a number card holder for sale? Aftermarket is fine if they make them.

Those military type dials use an Automatic Electric style number card retainer. You've got the brass lever, so you need:

1. The ring: http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-black-dial-card-ring.html

2. The celluloid cover: http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-celluloid-cover-for-dial-number-card.html

3. A number card: http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-dial-card-square-design.htm

4. The backing plate (Thanks, Alex!): http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-dial-card-plate.html

Edit: As Alex pointed out I missed a part. You need all of the above, plus the metal backing ring Everything you need is available as a kit from OPW (http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-dial-card-kit.html), and from a variety of other sources.

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[Alex G. Bell]

Those military type dials use an Automatic Electric style number card retainer. You've got the brass lever, so you need:

1. The ring: http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-black-dial-card-ring.html

2. The celluloid cover: http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-celluloid-cover-for-dial-number-card.html

3. A number card: http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-dial-card-square-design.html

Actually one other part is required: a metal backing plate which locks into the back of the ring to keep the card and clear plastic in place.

[mentalstampede]

oops! I must be having a case of the Mondays. Good catch!

Actually one other part is required: a metal backing plate which locks into the back of the ring to keep the card and clear plastic in place.

[Alex G. Bell]

oops! I must be having a case of the Mondays. Good catch!

You're welcome.  But a cursory browsing of the Oldphoneworks site did not locate it.

[mentalstampede]

You're welcome.  But a cursory browsing of the Oldphoneworks site did not locate it.

They have it. I've modified my original post to correct it as well. http://www.oldphoneworks.com/automatic-electric-dial-card-plate.html