Western Electric 5J dial fingerwheel removal

[Jf510]

Hi. I just bought a Western Electric 302 ivory phone yesterday. I am taking it apart to clean it completely. I am stumped on the fingerwheel on this 5J dial. I have removed many fingerwheels by turning it clockwise then putting in either a fingerwheel removal tool or paper clip in the hole and turning it a bit more to release but this fingerwheel has no hole at all.  I looked carefully. How do I get this one off? I would like to clean it completely and oil the dial but I sure don't want to break it. Thanks

[unbeldi]

Attached is the procedure for this type of finger wheel, part number P-372629, from BSP ADDENDUM C30.011 Issue A.

The finger wheel mounting method changed on 5J dials in 1952.

Even when knowing how to remove this type wheel, it is still often a challenge to do so. Patience is the only remedy.

[TelePlay]

The link posted at this topic by paul-f may be what you are looking for in the TCI Library, with high quality images (one of which is attached). Seems there are 3 types of plastic dial mounts but this one is stated to be for the 5J dial.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=7491.msg83392#msg83392

[unbeldi]

Here is a picture of the parts of the finger wheel mount.
Without knowing what they look like it is even harder to figure this out.

[unbeldi]

Here is another illustration:

[poplar1]

To clarify, the 5J dial can have one of 4 different finger wheels -- not counting any post-1965 replacements with closed center fingerwheel.

5J:
ca. 1937?-1941 IV 40 has a stainless steel (unpainted) finger wheel. These were used on painted ivory, pekin red, gray-green, old rose and blue 302s and on ivory 202s.

Plastic, open center: These were used on thermplastic color sets
ca. JAN 1941- JUN 1942 has a P-298941 finger wheel that can be removed only by first taking out the number card and window
ca. APR 1947-1951 1952 has the one shown here (P-372629)
ca. 1952-1954 has the P-344837  (small hole between 9 and 0, as on 7C dials).


Note: The P-344837 transparent finger wheel, with hole for a stiff wire or paper clip to remove it, is shown inAddendum  C30.011, Issue 1,  12-17-51. Further research is needed to ascertain why the older type finger wheel would be found on 11-52 dials and this newer type only on 12-52 dials.

[Jf510]

Thanks to all so much. I would of NEVER figured that out on my own. I got it off, cleaned the parts and oiled the dial. Thanks again for your help.

[unbeldi]

ca. 1947-1951 has the one shown here

5J dials made in November 1952 still have the rotating latch, while dials made in December already have the intermediate design with a triangular mounting star, which was very short lived over all, and only used for one month on 5J dials, as the 5J dial was apparently last made in the month of December 1952.   Starting in May 1953, all new colored plastic sets had 6D dials.  It appears that they built up enough inventory to supply 12-52 made dials for four months.


Here is the intermediate type:

PS: 'short lived' is a very relative term.  It appears these were used perhaps until the end of color 302 manufacture in 1954. At least I have seen them on 6D dials as late as Dec. 1953 used on sets of 1954.  The 6D dials that were used in 1955 on Continentals, Imperials, and CAB-plastic 302s, and on 354 wall sets, used the new 5-pronged mounting star.