OK..... I saw this.... I have been wanting one for YEARS ! I didn't even think about it.... I just bought it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/332043266758
Now.... I am going to need to find a matching line cord.... and find a way to clean this baby up. LOL
honestly..... I know its going to need alot of work.... but I LOVE this color !
I haven't ever seen one of these for sale.... I guess I just have never been around when they have come up on eBay.
I don't know much about these phones.... I do know I have never really cared for the 'banjo' Kellogg.... I like these better.
Someone I once knew was selling off their collection and they had one of these..... and I missed it.
so now.... I have this one.
Did I pay too much for it ?
If I did.... oh well..... BUT ! I really wanted it. lol
thanks for your comments.... and any suggestions you have about getting the line cord.
Nice find, I don't think you overpaid, that is a HTF color on a scarce model of telephone.
K500's are kinda hard to find. They had made 15 colors (per the K500 handbook maybe more) and I have also seen clear. I have only seen 1 other example of that color, It was in a collection I bought from Mark Scola years ago.
The handsets on a K500 have a slightly different "curve" on the end when compared to a WE handset.
Here is a link to the K500 handbook.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/kellogg-book1.html
Good find,
Jim S.
I like that phone....a nice addition to any collection. I don't think you paid too much at all....
I think you hit a home run. A very nice phone, in very good condition. Curious if it has the Kellogg dial, or WE dial. It took me awhile to find an original Kellogg dial for my Banjo phone.
D/P
hey Jim.... thanks for the link... I'll have a look first chance I get.
I really don't know anything about this phone.... I can't wait to get it and look inside.
I sure need a line cord though.... where am I gonna find THAT ? lol
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 25, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
I think you hit a home run. A very nice phone, in very good condition. Curious if it has the Kellogg dial, or WE dial. It took me awhile to find an original Kellogg dial for my Banjo phone.
D/P
Yeah... it seems to be in nice condition.... I love the feet.... they look great. lol who knows what the dial is. I'll get into it when it arrives.... hopefully unbroken. I asked the seller to please pack the base and handset separately. Hope he does that.
OK ! so the phone has arrived and it seems to be in fairly good condition. I took the housing off.... there are NO DATES inside !
Is this the way it is with these Kellogg 500 type sets ?
this set is JUST Kellogg..... not ITT Kellogg.
what a shame that the line cord was cut.... I hope I can find a replacement for it at some point.
the dates on the handset pieces don't match.... they are from 66 and 78.
there is NO date on the inside of the housing either. lol
I cleaned off all the grime from the inside.... but there was no date to be seen..... not even something that might have faded.... nothing at all.
and no date on the stump of the line cord either.... that metal piece that restrains the cord.
I wasn't expecting that.... I thought there would be dates in the inside of the phone.... but there is not ONE !
That is pretty typical for the independent telephone makers.
It was completely un-useful for them to spend money on date marking components, since they sold their equipment, and didn't have to maintain it for 20 years, as did Western Electric.
Quote from: unbeldi on November 28, 2016, 09:40:18 PM
That is pretty typical for the independent telephone makers.
It was completely un-useful for them to spend money on date marking components, since they sold their equipment, and didn't have to maintain it for 20 years, as did Western Electric.
thanks.... I was wondering why.... and now it makes sense. lol
i LOVE the phone... i been looking for that one for a long time.
There are a couple of people selling mostly cordage on eBay. They have many colors and I think I have seen turquoise as well. Those are not OEM cords usually, but by companies that specialized in making replacement cords. I have bought them and they are excellent options, since they were made still when the original colors were still on the market.
Quote from: unbeldi on November 28, 2016, 10:04:57 PM
There are a couple of people selling mostly cordage on eBay. They have many colors and I think I have seen turquoise as well. Those are not OEM cords usually, but by companies that specialized in making replacement cords. I have bought them and they are excellent options, since they were made still when the original colors were still on the market.
Yes... I have seen those sellers BUT... they don't have THAT color turquoise.
that Kellogg turquoise is its own color. I already looked at the selections available but there is no match for this phone.... at least none that I saw.
Is that a 5/58 date stamped on the bottom of the phone?
Quote from: poplar1 on November 28, 2016, 10:32:14 PM
Is that a 5/58 date stamped on the bottom of the phone?
yes it is.
OK... I'm confused. The bottom of this phone says DK 591.
It is NOT a banjo phone.
I thought banjo phones were DK 591. or are they something else ?
this phone says only Kellogg on it.... and looks like any early western electric 500 set.
can someone clear up the numerical designations here.
thanks
591 = 500 less ringer
Here is a Kellogg "banjo" phone. It happens to be a DK 501, which is like a 500 but with a vacuum tube for a certain type party line.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rare-Kellogg-DK501-Black-Banjo-Style-Telephone-from-1954-Works-/172395201512
Quote from: poplar1 on November 29, 2016, 09:38:42 AM
Here is a Kellogg "banjo" phone. It happens to be a DK 501, which is like a 500 but with a vacuum tube for a certain type party line.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rare-Kellogg-DK501-Black-Banjo-Style-Telephone-from-1954-Works-/172395201512
yes... I know what a banjo phone looks like..... that is not this turquoise phone. Look at it again. it looks like a regular 500.... not like a banjo.... like this pic of the black one.
YET.... it has DK 591 stamped on the bottom of the phone.
IIRC, the model numbers did not change. The "Banjo" was the first version of the K-500 series that Kellogg produced. They did not make them for very long (ca 1954 to 1957 ?) and switched to the more rounded, or "smoother" design original to the WECo 500 set by ca. 1957/8.
The first handset was in fact rounder than the later G3-style handset, that gained some edges, but the telephone housing was less rounded in the early style.
PS: The D in front of the K-5xx series simply indicates it was a dial instrument. The manual set without dial was MK-5xx.
unbeldi seems to be correct based on these documents. Seems the subject phone is one of the early "new" style housings.
All of the links below the long double line were found on and taken from the following Telephone Collectors International page
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/kellogg_main.htm
first posted on the CRPF about 6 years ago.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=8396.msg90347#msg90347
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1954 Kellogg K500 Brochure showing the Banjo Design (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/PDF/1954%20BANJO%20K500%20BROCHURE.pdf)
1956 Kellogg K500 Brochure showing the Banjo Design and available colors (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/PDF/1956_BLTN_5603_K500_TEL.pdf)
1957 Kellogg Catalog showing the K500 Banjo Design - Scroll down to Page E3 (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/PDF/1957_CAT_12_GENERAL.pdf)
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1958 Kellogg Catalog showing the "new" K500 Housing Design (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/PDF/1958%20BUL%20KMG%20DIAL%20IC%205712.pdf)
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K500 Series Number Codes (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/PDF/1960_CODE_K500_TELEPHONES_A3.pdf)
GREAT ! thanks so much ! that clears it ALL UP !
thank you guys ! I am learning SO much on this site.
I moved and I haven't been in my new apartment very long ..... most everything is still in boxes BUT..... the 8 or so phones I have are all out on display perched on unopened boxes ....with some hooked up.
but I can see them all. LOL I have my priorities straight !
my next door neighbor and his wife came by and I asked the husband to please unscrew the ear piece cap on this kellogg telephone .... it was on SO tight.... must have been on for 30 years.... I couldn't get it off.
they saw all the phones and looked at me like I was insane. LOL .... and these folks are in their late 50's. and found it very odd that anyone would keep old telephones around.... let alone BUY more of them ! HAHAHA !
its good that there is a place like this where I can get information from like minded people.
honestly.... if you could have seen their faces....
the way they looked at me you would have thought i was collecting dead cats !
they did manage a weak smile when I proudly pointed out my mediterranean blue WE with the gray cord.
Oh MY. LOL
at least I have the ear piece cap off now on the Kellogg.
Anyway....thanks again for all your information. I really appreciate it.
Quote from: LoveOldPhones on November 29, 2016, 12:06:39 PM
the way they looked at me you would have thought i was collecting dead cats !
.... what's the difference, again, please ?
;D
Quote from: unbeldi on November 29, 2016, 12:49:28 PM
.... what's the difference, again, please ?
;D
HAHAHAHA !
I like your find very much, btw.
Not only is it a fairly early and less commonly found Kellogg color (I think), but it also is completely original including the number card on the dial.
The phone was installed in the area northeast of Altoona of rural Pennsylvania, specifically in Warriors Mark Township (Huntingdon Co.). The seller is located very closely there, on the south side of Altoona. I would ask if they know more about the history of the set.
The 814-632 prefix is today serviced by Windstream. The township is not even 2000 people large, but has an entire central office prefix allocated (632), which is switched by Northern Telecom DMS-10 equipment. I think, it is really used here as a remote concentrator, it seems. I found the address of it, but could not locate it in "town" in any specific building, not quickly anyways.
Did the number card hide an earlier version by any chance? It must have been issued sometime in the 1960s, I would say. It appears that this prefix was also installed around that time, as the previous exchange name was EVergreen (38), according to the TENP database.
Area code 814 was one of the original area codes assigned in 1947, and it is somewhat unique today, because it has so far never been split or overlaid. This almost happened a few years ago, but the proposal was abandoned because of protests and diminishing need.
Nice find.
Can you show a picture of the inside ?
What kind of ringer is installed in this set? From the factory, it came without ringer and should be marked with "LR" on the bottom. The telephone company installed the ringer separately. It is probably a frequency-selective ringer, but perhaps not. Does it ring?
WOW ! what interesting stuff about this phone. the guy I got it from told me that his father bought it a long time ago and that the family had it a while.... and that they decided to sell it. thats all he could tell me.
As far as a picture of the inside.... I don't have a good camera yet for that. I can try with the one I have on my old cell phone but for some reason... the pictures have been coming out blurry.
I don't know if it rings because someone cut the line cord and there is only stump where it was.
BUT ! I have found someone that knows someone that works on old telephones.
As soon as I get the chance.... I will get this one over to be looked at. i definitely want to have this one hooked up for use at some point.
thanks for all the info on the phone.... I'll see what else I can find out.... and check and see if there is an earlier version of the number card too.
Quote from: LoveOldPhones on November 29, 2016, 05:37:33 PM
I don't know if it rings because someone cut the line cord and there is only stump where it was.
BUT ! I have found someone that knows someone that works on old telephones.
As soon as I get the chance.... I will get this one over to be looked at. i definitely want to have this one hooked up for use at some point.
I think, with help from this Forum, you should be able to attach a new line cord yourself. Until you find the exact right color, a neutral light-gray cord will do fine for testing even displaying the phone.
Quote from: unbeldi on November 30, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
I think, with help from this Forum, you should be able to attach a new line cord yourself. Until you find the exact right color, a neutral light-gray cord will do fine for testing even displaying the phone.
yes... thats what I was thinking.... a neutral gray cord should work fine. I have NO idea how I will find the right color cord for this phone.
I was thinking that maybe that guy in AZ at navy salvage might have something.
I can give him a call and ask.... he's been pretty helpful in the past.
i wonder if maybe I could even take a cord close in color and perhaps dye it..... just a thought.
I hope I didn't confuse anyone when I mentioned about the dial. I mentioned it took me awhile to get a Kellogg dial for my Banjo. Did not mean to suggest yours was a banjo. They are two separate phones. I was just commenting on how hard it is to find the original Kellogg dials.
D/P
Both version of the K-500 used the same dial, No. 19. It was a copy of the WECo dial.
Unlike the WECo dials though, they had two numbering bezels available, one with only numbers, and the metropolitan version with letters.
The phone seems very original from the outside, I wouldn't suspect any later changes internally, and the exchange was never taken over by a Bell company, so it likely wasn't ever refurbished at a WECo shop.
Quote from: LoveOldPhones on November 30, 2016, 12:08:36 PM
yes... thats what I was thinking.... a neutral gray cord should work fine. I have NO idea how I will find the right color cord for this phone.
I was thinking that maybe that guy in AZ at navy salvage might have something.
I can give him a call and ask.... he's been pretty helpful in the past.
i wonder if maybe I could even take a cord close in color and perhaps dye it..... just a thought.
It is also possible to paint plastic jacket cords. Western Electric shops did this very routinely. The paint can be custom mixed and matched by many suppliers if you bring a sample to the store. A neutral light gray cord with soft PVC jacket would be ideal for that too.
Quote from: Dan/Panther on November 30, 2016, 12:16:59 PM
I hope I didn't confuse anyone when I mentioned about the dial. I mentioned it took me awhile to get a Kellogg dial for my Banjo. Did not mean to suggest yours was a banjo. They are two separate phones. I was just commenting on how hard it is to find the original Kellogg dials.
D/P
Hey Dan... thats OK... I am easily confused about alot of this because I don't really know that much about the phones. lol but its all cleared up now.
I like the idea of painting the cord... I will think about it if I don't find a matching cord.
however.... today I went to see that fellow that works on old phones and he was kind enough to put a line cord on this phone and now I CAN call out.
BUT ! he says it will NOT ring because of the frequency its set up on..... or something like that. ( I should have taken notes)
He knew right away when he opened it up and looked at it.... in fact... the wires to the bells were not even hooked up.
SOOO .... he told me that he has a ringer somewhere in his parts that he will be able to swap out and then the phone will ring when calls come in. but... for the time being... I am thrilled that I can call out... although that cheese smell is too overwhelming to be on the phone
for very long. lol
thanks SO much for all the information. I really love the color of this phone.... it reminds me of the waters of Lanikai beach in Hawaii.
and it IS this blue ! I have seen it..... looks just like the phone. lol
http://www.best-beaches.com/images/lanikai-beach/lanikai-beaches.jpg
now all I have to do is give her a good polishing up. there is some slight discoloration of yellow but really..... the color is still pretty good so I won't worry about it for the moment. I imagine if I could restore the original color it would be even a more brilliant color of turquoise.
still.... its slight enough I am not thinking about doing it anytime soon.
I'll be happy to just have it working.
I will try to post some pics of the inside if I can get my camera phone to work without blurring.
I don't have an example of the Kellogg #10 turquoise to compare, but I suspect that the color was originally a little less greenish than the pictures show, but it is certainly a unique color, because it was not copied from the Western Electric set of colors. WECo didn't make turquoise telephones at all until 1959 when they came out with the Princess telephone and the plastic then was ABS, not the CAB Tenite plastic used previously. For the 500-type desk set, WECo didn't introduce the color until 1964. WECo's color code was 64, coincidentally.
By the smell of your phone you identified that Kellogg was also using CAB Tenite to mold the plastic parts. The smell wasn't there when the phone was new, but has developed over the decades since, by breakdown of a very small fraction of cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB) into butyric acid, which is the same substance responsible for the smell of rancid butter. This is the origin of the name: butter <==> butyric.
Material degradation has also caused some discoloration. We find examples of WECo's turquoise also having turned almost algae green. This happens from expose to the elements. When you unscrew one of the handset caps, you should see inside the handset a closer representation of the original color.
Replacing the ringer with a standard WE C4A ringer is fairly simple, and those ringers are plentiful and cheap. I probably have a spare or two somewhere in my mess, and I am sure that many other forum members have then.
Larry
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on December 01, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
Replacing the ringer with a standard WE C4A ringer is fairly simple, and those ringers are plentiful and cheap. I probably have a spare or two somewhere in my mess, and I am sure that many other forum members have then.
Larry
yeah..... thats what my phone buddy said.... he has one and will let me know when to bring the phone around again so he can put in on.
Yes... you are right about the color... the first thing I did when I got the phone was unscrew the mouthpiece to see what the original color looked like.
and you are correct that it now has a more greenish hue. the stump of that old line cord matches the inside of the mouthpiece.
i actually can't decide which color I like better. lol its the first phone I have seen that still looks good even with the aging color change.
what I would like to know is.... how did Kellogg decide what colors to make and did they actually make these sets themselves ?
or... were they contracted out to make them?
thanks
ALSO..... was there a color chart for Kellogg telephones ?
I am wondering what other colors they offered that were different from the WE colors.... like that sea green ?
and maybe the yellows ? what did they look like ?
thanks
Kellogg did make their own telephones. They had a long history being not only a manufacturer, but a cutting edge developer of new technologies as well.
They were one of the first in the 1910s and 20s to develop a transmitter that was not as much plagued by positional dependence of performance as was needed for making usable combined handsets, i.e. a handset with both the transmitter and the receiver in one unit. They also were leading in development of frequency ringing systems that were better than the first generation harmonic system by Western Electric. The ringer in your set is likely either of the synchromonic or decimonic type, which are two kinds of frequency-selective ringing systems (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=11938.msg126866#msg126866).
As for color selection... I think it worked pretty much like today. They did market studies, or hired market consultant firms, during product development. I don't know how much documentation there still is about Kellogg's ways of business at that level of detail. We probably have more to go by about Western Electric, who did the first such market studies, for color choices, in the early 1930s.
Quote from: LoveOldPhones on December 01, 2016, 02:21:38 PM
ALSO..... was there a color chart for Kellogg telephones ?
I am wondering what other colors they offered that were different from the WE colors.... like that sea green ?
and maybe the yellows ? what did they look like ?
This may have been the colors available, at least in 1957. Being a scanned image of an old document, the colors probably don't match the actual colors of the phones back then but it seems to show at least 3 color choices plus black (link from Reply 18 above)., maybe white?, don't know. And I doubt Kellogg would have used a color number such as WE did with all their colors over all the years. Maybe someone knows better, just a guess on my part.
1956 Kellogg K500 Brochure showing the Banjo Design and available colors (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/strombergcarlson/kellogg/PDF/1956_BLTN_5603_K500_TEL.pdf)
The No. 12 catalog of 1957 advertises "... now in 8 modern decorator colors". That does sound very much like the WECo slogans, as the WECo also produced in eight colors.
The 1957 colors were:
2 red
3 brown
4 yellow
5 green
6 blue
7 beige
8 gray
9 ivory
For the redesign of K-500, which is your phone, they added
10 turquoise
11 rose pink
12 aqua blue
13 light beige
14 light gray
15 white
So, if you know the WECo color history, you can tell that they DID copy the general marketing moves of the Bell System, but your set's color was NEW !
Hey thats great !
I did see that listing on the Phones in color page where he lists all the colors of the Kellogg 500 sets.
I just wondered if there was a color chart like there was with western electric.
Anyway....thanks for all the info.... I will keep my eyes open for other Kellogg phones... wonder what that sea green color looked like.
OK... I have taken some pics of the inside of the phone... not sure they came out too well.
I have not yet gotten a camera so this is my old cell phone.
Quote from: LoveOldPhones on December 01, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
OK... I have taken some pics of the inside of the phone... not sure they came out too well.
I have not yet gotten a camera so this is my old cell phone.
The ringer is clearly enough to see to determine that it is indeed a frequency-selective ringer. However, I would give this ringer a try nevertheless. It looks like one of the lower frequency range, perhaps 25 or 30 Hz. It may also be possible to move the large weight on the clapper (between the two gongs) outward even more to tune the frequency lower. I have got such ringers originally at 33 Hz to work at 20 Hz.
Quote from: unbeldi on December 01, 2016, 06:12:56 PM
The ringer is clearly enough to see to determine that it is indeed a frequency-selective ringer. However, I would give this ringer a try nevertheless. It looks like one of the lower frequency range, perhaps 25 or 30 Hz. It may also be possible to move the large weight on the clapper (between the two gongs) outward even more to tune the frequency lower. I have got such ringers originally at 33 Hz to work at 20 Hz.
well thats real interesting... how do I do that ? does that weight unscrew or what ? how do I move it forward ?
the ringer isn't even connected right now.... the wires are just loose.
I would have to know where to connect those.
Quote from: LoveOldPhones on December 01, 2016, 08:25:14 PM
well thats real interesting... how do I do that ? does that weight unscrew or what ? how do I move it forward ?
the ringer isn't even connected right now.... the wires are just loose.
I would have to know where to connect those.
Take a deep breath and start experimenting. The highest value of the current ringer is educational.
You won't screw up your phone and if you do you can get it back together. Before long you will be the local "go-to" person for old telephone repair.
There are diagrams in the K500 handbook. (link posted earlier).
JMO,
Jim S.
Quote from: Jim S. on December 01, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Take a deep breath and start experimenting. The highest value of the current ringer is educational.
You won't screw up your phone and if you do you can get it back together. Before long you will be the local "go-to" person for old telephone repair.
There are diagrams in the K500 handbook. (link posted earlier).
JMO,
Jim S.
YEAH..... I was just looking at the diagrams. i might have missed it but I didn't see anything on moving the weight forward. there is a small screw on it.
Is that something where you unscrew and move it then screw back down ?
I am going to try connecting the wires for the ringer ... the handbook showed that.
and as far as me being the go to person for phone repair? HAHAHA ! thats a real laugh.
If i can get this phone to ring by moving the weight.... that will be an accomplishment.
I'm certainly going to try. lol
It would be a good idea to take the ringer out first and note the markings on it. It should have the specification stamped on it in form of codes and it may also specify the frequency.
Look for a code such as HA-1, 2... 5, or HB-1... 5, or HC-1...5
This tells us just how much it might be necessary to adjust the ringer, if at all.
I assume the ringer has TWO wires coming out of it ? red and black ?
The small set screw on the clapper weight hold it on to the clapper. But don't change it until we know what the frequency codes are, just in case you are lucky and it is a 20 Hz ringer, which is the frequency used today only.
I also cannot see whether there is a separate capacitor mounted near the ringer. If there isn't then most likely the ringer might ring without or with very small adjustment.
If I was correct about the wires, this diagram should help to reconnect the ringer.
PS: I see that you do have a line cord now. It has red and green wires, but they are attached in reverse of what I drew in this diagram. The diagram is the correct way, but it doesn't really matter anymore today. Polarity is not important anymore.
Quote from: unbeldi on December 01, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
If I was correct about the wires, this diagram should help to reconnect the ringer.
PS: I see that you do have a line cord now. It has red and green wires, but they are attached in reverse of what I drew in this diagram. The diagram is the correct way, but it doesn't really matter anymore today. Polarity is not important anymore.
yes... you are right. the ringer wires are red and black. I will study the diagram you sent me.
I will try doing this in the daylight. It will be easier to see at my desk by the window.
so let me get this straight then.... the red ringer wire should attach to the same connector as the GREEN line cord wire ? ( because I now have a line cord on there and its in reverse)
let me know if thats what you mean.... thats what the diagram looks like to me.
thanks
Yes, if your line cord is reversed the red ringer wire connects to the green line conductor. But since you have to loosen those two screws on the L1 and L2 terminals, you might as well swap the colors and make it consistent.
Looking at your picture again, I do not see an extra capacitor mounted on or by the ringer, but the picture is only so good... as you mentioned.
But what that means to me, is that the phone originally used the capacitor that is contained inside the network canister. The screws A and K are the terminals of that internal capacitor. This capacitor was used for 5 types of ringers tuned to these frequencies:
16 2/3 Hz & 25 Hz (harmonic),
16 Hz (synchromonic),
20 Hz (decimonic), and
30 Hz (synchromonic and decimonic).
I believe any one of these can be tuned to ring at 20 Hz simply be moving the heavy striker weight.
Did you find any small wire jumper connected to one of the terminals by any chance? You need one, and if not already present, just use any small piece of wire to connect the terminals K and L1.
Quote from: unbeldi on December 02, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Yes, if your line cord is reversed the red ringer wire connects to the green line conductor. But since you have to loosen those two screws on the L1 and L2 terminals, you might as well swap the colors and make it consistent.
Looking at your picture again, I do not see an extra capacitor mounted on or by the ringer, but the picture is only so good... as you mentioned.
But what that means to me, is that the phone originally used the capacitor that is contained inside the network canister. The screws A and K are the terminals of that internal capacitor. This capacitor was used for 5 types of ringers tuned to these frequencies:
16 2/3 Hz & 25 Hz (harmonic),
16 Hz (synchromonic),
20 Hz (decimonic), and
30 Hz (synchromonic and decimonic).
I believe any one of these can be tuned to ring at 20 Hz simply be moving the heavy striker weight.
Did you find any small wire jumper connected to one of the terminals by any chance? You need one, and if not already present, just use any small piece of wire to connect the terminals K and L1.
Hi... I just saw your post. I have not had a chance to look at things yet. I want to get to this in the daylight.... but I don't have time at the moment.
let me get into this later today and I will get back to you.
thanks for your help.
Take your time. No rush.
Quote from: unbeldi on December 02, 2016, 12:28:00 PM
Take your time. No rush.
OK ! I made all the connections and guess what ! the ringer works BUT !!!! the weight is not reaching the bells ! its just moving back and forth between the bells and not reaching them. so all the connections are making the ringer work..... but its NOT swinging wide enough to hit the bells.
so now what ?
I been trying to unscrew the little screw in the weight and it won't budge. I thought I would try to move it forward to see what happens.... but the screw is frozen in place. I just can't get it to move and I am afraid that any more trying is going to strip that slot.
let me know what you think. this is interesting because at least I have gotten the weight to vibrate but it just does not reach the bells.
Can you move the gongs closer to the clapper?
Jim S.
It appears the ringer's frequency is just off far enough to not provide strong ringing action. This is how a frequency ringer is supposed to work.
Moving the clapper would provide the solution, but don't damage it. I agree. Perhaps use some penetrating oil and try again after a few days.
The bells can't be moved very much on these ringer, I don't think, but that is how the loudness control works. It moves one of them slightly.
I tried putting the ringer switch on loud but really.... the stryker just does not even come close to the bells. I think this is a case where I will have to wait till my phone friend finds the replacement to put on it. thats ok... I don't mind. I was hoping that I could get it to ring.
it was fun trying anyway.
thanks for your help.
Loud allows a harder "hit" from the clapper to the gong, It is the furthest setting. the closest setting is the one that might sound.
JMO,
Jim S.
Quote from: Jim S. on December 02, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Loud allows a harder "hit" from the clapper to the gong, It is the furthest setting. the closest setting is the one that might sound.
JMO,
Jim S.
OK thanks Jim.... I'll give that one a try.