While surfing the web looking for information on Magic Jack/VOIP I came across this broadband forum and they have a VOIP forum. I posted about C*Net which generated interest and the question of why isn't C*NET better known. One of the members stated it was because, in part, "...that they made their mailing list archive private... which means you will never see a link to a posting discussing C*NET elsewhere on the internet."
I'll pass that on to the C*MET people.
Link to the forum: http://tinyurl.com/kckvyzg
Frankly, that is not necessarily a bad thing, IMHO.
The C*Net web pages can be found easily by search engines and people who have a sincere interest should have no problem finding the community.
Quote from: unbeldi on February 05, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Frankly, that is not necessarily a bad thing, IMHO.
The C*Net web pages can be found easily by search engines and people who have a sincere interest should have no problem finding the community.
I've got to disagree with you. It is a "bad" thing if you want to expand C*NET. The people on that broadband site defiantly have a sincere interest and didn't know about C*NET. I myself only discovered C*NET because I discovered CRPF last year. Finding the C*NET site is tough. Even if you know the name and that C*NET exists and look for it with a search engine it is buried in the results after CNET, which is different. Try finding it without knowing the name.
Quote from: Fabius on February 05, 2015, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on February 05, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Frankly, that is not necessarily a bad thing, IMHO.
The C*Net web pages can be found easily by search engines and people who have a sincere interest should have no problem finding the community.
I've got to disagree with you. It is a "bad" thing if you want to expand C*NET. The people on that broadband site defiantly have a sincere interest and didn't know about C*NET. I myself only discovered C*NET because I discovered CRPF last year. Finding the C*NET site is tough. Even if you know the name and that C*NET exists and look for it with a search engine it is buried in the results after CNET, which is different. Try finding it without knowing the name.
Hmm, I had no trouble finding it, and as soon as one is somehow connected with the telephone collecting world, like the clubs, it is hard to not notice.
Perhaps this is not as visible when one has no VoIP experience previously. I knew about it when it was first started and one of the founders inquired about something on the Asterisk support or developer list where I was very active. But by the time I got interested enough myself, I had actually forgot about it.
Also, I doubt that broad 'public' participation is desirable for a speciality interest collectors group. The intent was not to be an open VoIP network, but to interconnect historic switching systems. As it stands, the N.A. numbering plan is relatively small and would quickly be exhausted as many newbies would reserve an entire four-digit block.
There are many general purpose free VoIP networks out there for other hobbyists.
As it stands, the support resources of the system are very limited already, and expansion would require substantial investment of at least time and expertise.
Broad public participation has ruined many good things of the early Internet.
The last thing C*NET needs is widespread publicity.
C*net should NOT be made public. The servers and dns is owned by 2 or 3 individuals and they do not receive any compensation. The system could go away tomarrow. ALSO there is no real standards for the system, such as longdistance or the screwed up 911 crap. No one is policing dead Numbers, and there is a lot of listings that no longer active. Some people are afraid to leave there systems on do to the fear of spending $ on electricity. The original plan was to connet old SWITCHING systems to each other. With the access to cheap ATA's others have been connected
which ALL of them are phone collectors. All it takes is a NUTJOB to screw up the FREE and fun toy that we have access to.
A very serious user.
P.S. there is very low calles over C*net
The current C*Net ENUM directory for the US, country code 1, contains almost exactly 1300 entries for individual numbering blocks of 1000 numbers, this only 40 more than a couple years or so ago when I performed a measurement the first time.
These 1300 1299 records are divided among only 186 177 Cnet nodes in country code 1.
So, on the average, the average node has allocated almost a little over seven 1000-number blocks.
At one point I measured that approx. 10% of the nodes were down.
I haven't measured the other country codes, but may do that some time. The only other really significant area is the UK.
[PS: corrections]
The stat's are interesting. Yes the U.S. is country code 1.
I know of a bunch of user's that only have 7 digit dialing. I have 11 digit dialing on my system
so i can call both PSTN and C*net numbers. I personally know all of the parties that support the C*net system. The system works OK but there is no one actively watching/policing the system.
The great thing is most Asterisk user's (not ATA users) can configure their systems however they want. The ATA users are at the mercy of the c*net provider.
My Big fear is a ATA will be used someday by accident to dial a 911 call. This will bring the FCC
and who no's else into the picture.
There was a case of child dalling 911 from a motel and their call did not go thru because of the STANDARD pbx code 9 then 911. The Parents have now screwed up a long standing well planed out standard because no one is enforcing the STANDARD's.
Thank you for bringing up some good points I wasn't aware of.
Not to steer this in a different direction, but I have an XLINK Bluetooth gateway that I use daily. I'm new to the hobby, so it may be common knowledge. It will convert pulse to tone, so you can even use your rotory for simple tone menus. It sounds great, as long as your cell is close to the gateway. It will only do about 1 REN, but Viking makes a nice ring amplifier for 4 REN and another for 10 I think. I use a 551b 1a2 set up in my office with magic jack for line 1, the XLINK for line 2, and I use 3 and 4 for my house intercom (a Viking auto ringdown with 1 half to the red/green pair and the other to the black/yellow pair). Both the XLINK and magic jack will ring through a 400D KTU issue 15 or higher, so I don't have to worry about ring amperage. Nothing like a few 565s ringing with my cell phone :)
Quote from: Fabius on February 05, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
Link to the forum: http://tinyurl.com/kckvyzg (http://tinyurl.com/kckvyzg)...
Where you said:
Quote from: Fabius on February 05, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
"C*NET is a free VOIP network of telecom enthusiasts."
With all due respect, I'm not a telecom enthusiast, I'm a vintage artifact and antique collector, of which vintage phones are one part that I have a strong interest in. I'm not on C*Net because of all it's complicated computer configurations and special equipment needed that is of more interest to computer enthusiasts. If it ever gets "dumbed down" to plug and play, I'll consider joining, but it should be kept low-profile.
Quote from: Brinybay on February 05, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
With all due respect, I'm not a telecom enthusiast, I'm a vintage artifact and antique collector, of which vintage phones are one part that I have a strong interest in. I'm not on C*Net because of all it's complicated computer configurations and special equipment needed that is of more interest to computer enthusiasts. If it ever gets "dumbed down" to plug and play, I'll consider joining, but it should be kept low-profile.
I bought an ATA from Shane Young. The price ($40 total) included him programming the unit for me and shipping. All I had to do was connect it to my router and I was in service. The nice thing about the unit I bought was it provided two lines. One line goes into my PBX which has classic rotary phones as extensions and the other line has a rotary Princess on it. Pretty much plug and play. The grandkids get a kick out of making calls on the rotary phone. My 18 year old granddaughter actually asked me how did you make a call on the 302.
It seems there may be only 25 distinct C*Net nodes in the UK. The test is a little more cumbersome there because they have an open numbering plan.
C*NET was originally conceived on the TCI listserve as a means for "Switchers" to "play with" and demonstrate their early electromechanical PBX's and keysystems. It has quickly morphed beyond its original calling, with people using blocks of numbers to terminate their single-line instruments and electronic PBX's.
If it gets collectors involved with telephony then that is good, however Phil makes a good case as to why it is not wise to publicize it to the outside world.
Perhaps if C*Net came higher than tenth result in google when searching for c*net would help...
Well, who would search for C*Net anyways, it being such a high profile name already.
But it comes up on the first page in my searches, nevertheless.
Quote from: Fabius on February 05, 2015, 11:47:51 PM
I bought an ATA from Shane Young. The price ($40 total) included him programming the unit for me and shipping. All I had to do was connect it to my router and I was in service. The nice thing about the unit I bought was it provided two lines. One line goes into my PBX which has classic rotary phones as extensions and the other line has a rotary Princess on it. Pretty much plug and play. The grandkids get a kick out of making calls on the rotary phone. My 18 year old granddaughter actually asked me how did you make a call on the 302.
I'm going to back-track a bit about the not being a telecom enthusiast. Since I started collecting vintage phones in Feb 2009, I've learned a great deal about what Ma Bell was and why we have a hobby because of it. I've read "The Rape of Ma Bell" and am just starting on "The Break Up of AT&T", so I'm at least a Telecom History enthusiast.
I'm still hesitant on getting plugged into C*NET. I need to know if the phone plugged into C*NET is a dedicated phone, i.e. will it only receive calls coming through C*NET, or will all my incoming calls be lumped into it? If the latter, I don't see much use for it. I'm also hesitant about buying another piece of hardware if there is a way to get the router I have to work for it. I don't have much patience for computer configurations, which is why it's sat here the last couple of years. I would be willing to have a local help me in person, pay would be food and beverage of their choice.
P.S. Fabius, what is with your "quote" function? Are you using the Quote link in the upper right of the post when you reply to posts?
There is nothing to be afraid when contemplating C*Net. It's has nothing to do with the PSTN. It is purely a toy delivered over your existing high-speed Internet service. You plug a server or just an ATA into another port of your Internet router.
The only purpose of it is to talk to other collectors on the network or to explore the old switching systems members have set up. There are Strowger switches, Crossbars, and probably some small ESS systems, in addition to the 555 boards, cordless boards, magneto systems, and what not people have hanging off their nodes.
However some of those system are also connected to the PSTN, either for direct dial into C*Net or for getting out, but the latter is usually not well publicized for obvious reasons.
Quote from: unbeldi on February 07, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
There is nothing to be afraid when contemplating C*Net. It's has nothing to do with the PSTN. It is purely a toy delivered over your existing high-speed Internet service. You plug a server or just an ATA into another port of your Internet router.
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So in other words, I can plug into C*NET using the ATA I have, (LynkSys Broadband router model RTP 300 with 2 phone ports, unlocked) and it would only receive calls coming from C*NET, correct? Only thing I really don't want to attempt is the computer configurations, hence my "Help Wanted" post.
Quote from: Brinybay on February 07, 2015, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on February 07, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
There is nothing to be afraid when contemplating C*Net. It's has nothing to do with the PSTN. It is purely a toy delivered over your existing high-speed Internet service. You plug a server or just an ATA into another port of your Internet router.
...
So in other words, I can plug into C*NET using the ATA I have, (LynkSys Broadband router model RTP 300 with 2 phone ports, unlocked) and it would only receive calls coming from C*NET, correct? Only thing I really don't want to attempt is the computer configurations, hence my "Help Wanted" post.
In essence that is correct, unless that RTP300 is used with another service already. Vonage used those for a while, but you are saying that it is unlocked.
You have to get in touch with someone who provides service for individual user for a single number or a few. I don't know if it is ok, to refer you to someone, but Shane Young seems to provide this to many. You won't have to do any computer configuration, except figure out how to access the web page in your RTP300 to enter configuration parameters.
Just grabbing a page from a Google search for RTP-300 setup: http://setuprouter.com/router/linksys/rtp300/login.htm
I don't know if this helps, but I am sure there are many pages like this on the WWW.
Interesting thread..... C*net is really just a toy... used by people who need to keep in touch with each other concerning telephones... and the switching... its just another Com Line.... private intercom.... on a big scale.... so it doesn't need to be worried about.... once all you guys pass away, the system will be dismantled and scrapped.... it looks like cell service has taken over in that area....
Quote from: Babybearjs on July 29, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
Interesting thread..... C*net is really just a toy... used by people who need to keep in touch with each other concerning telephones... and the switching... its just another Com Line.... private intercom.... on a big scale.... so it doesn't need to be worried about.... once all you guys pass away, the system will be dismantled and scrapped.... it looks like cell service has taken over in that area....
Though I was taken aback by your cynical and bitter comments, it is an interesting perspective. However, it also indicates that you really are not familiar with the driving concept behind C*NET.
It was created to both showcase and demonstrate automatic switching equipment. Since then it has morphed to include key systems, manual switchboards and even single-line sets.
Its use has absolutely nothing to do with
"people who need to keep in touch with each other concerning telephones." Many still use the conventional and cellular PSTN or email as a primary means to communicate.
As far as your dismissing C*NET as just a giant COM LINE, please take another look at the effort of all the planning and implementation that was necessary to get it up and running. A number of individuals worked long and hard, spending money out of their own pockets with no reimbursement to make it a reality.
Is it just a "toy?" Not anymore than the vintage equipment that you, myself and the rest of those on this forum use daily to make calls over the PSTN.
Will this equipment be dismantled as these switcher's die? Some of it will be just as assuredly as your collection (or mine) will be once our heirs feel the need to cleanout all of our "junk." Hopefully most of it will find new homes with newer upcoming collectors who will appreciate it.
I use C*Net all the time. There aren't many days I don't make at least one call over it. I use the speaking clocks all the time, listen to hiostoric recordings that people have put up on various numbers and even use it to call other people. There is a C*Net number set up on my cell phone which enables me to call home for free no matter where I am in the world. I also use it to test newly restored phones. The only disappointing thing about it is that others don't use it more.
I now have a server set up here as two local (UK) exchanges, Clowne & Staveley. The beauty of it is that it's not truely geographical though. Eg anyone anywhere in the world can have a Clowne number for their old phone, which will then be able to locally dial any other Clowne number, weather they are in reality local or not. So if you happen to have an old 706 phone somewhere in the US that you know originally was used here in Clowne, I can probably give you back the original number for it so it would be back on the C*Net using the same number it used on the PSTN 50 years ago!
Here in the UK we go to some lengths to make using our old phones as authentic an experience as possible. It's a much more complex numbering plan than in the US, but that is because our PSTN has always been quite complex.
If anyone here wants to know more about C*Net, either the technical side of setting it up or the historic numbering then I'm always happy to have a chat. My C*Net number internationally is (+44) 246 81 200 or if you're calling from a UK C*Net phone it's 0246 81 200. Calling any time before about midnight UK time is fine.
Andy.
C*NET and Ian Jolly has the great honor of getting me aware of the possibilities of using my phones. Thank You!!!
This has slowly grown to be some pabx,s among them a British Panasonic KXT61610. It is no out of use, because I got a 100 % electromagnetical PAX, and I got it working. That is not all, I have got help, and built a trunk unit for connection to IP telephony.
The European part of C*NET is fare more strict to keep the historical numbering plans than what is used in USA. From a historical point this is preferable, but it is also more complex and rigid.
I do not make a lot calls, but the services mentioned by Andy are Great!
dsk
It *IS* a big com line, just like the PSTN, AutoVoN and other systems. But it is much more, in the sense that it is a parallel universe telephone company "because we can." It was explained to be "just like ham radio without the ham and without the radio." In the beginning, only certain well-to-do collectors of telephone exchanges could afford to lease pairs from the LEC to interconnect their systems. Then the computer savvy guys figured out that the web could be used to provide (relatively) free networking among the PBX's, thus avoiding the expense of copper to and from each collector. The folks who developed the system would be kind of put off by some of the less than complimentary comments that have been written here.
As a life-long telephone collector , and a user of VoIP and a former creator and owner of a VoIP service , I would like to add the following 2 cents to this thread.
C*Net can serve MANY purposes without damage to other users.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that the FCC or other regulatory agency will make any emergency dialing requirement as long as C*Net does not offer PSTN calling , PERIOD. This means that C*Net itself must provide the gateways to the PSTN, not simply use C*Net as a tunnel to another service. It is simply not within their authority to do so and if attempting to do so would have widespread implications for things like even my dorbell which rings a private VoIP line to my Cell phone as well as a Tesla Bakelite intercom phone. on the wall in the house.
Nothing C*Net offers even implies 911 service is required.
I would however suggest that anyone that does not live alone, and in USA or Canadam have 911 service of some kind on every phone that can dial anything. Some neighbor or Grandchild may not understand that you are on a "closed" network in an emergency. This is far different from a government mandate.
Anyone who feels the need to have 911 service can do so anyway, as long as they have some integration with PSTN calling. Go to GV911.com and pay a buck a month, then change your ATA dialing plan . This is documented on that site for Obi devices but that same dialplan example works for Linksys/Sipura/Cisco ATAs and a similar dialplan substitution will work on the Grandstream Handytonen 502 as well as many others. GV911 can also work with asterisk and can probably (I am guessing) be used with any old analog switch as it dials a PSTN Number. If you have an ATA with an FXO port, or any kind of cellular gateway, you can also use this to dial 911 in an emergency. If there is no PSTN calling there is no requirement for 911.
C*Net should have no fear to promote publicly. Until I became aware of this forum a short time ago, I had no idea what C*Net was. When I first did read about C*net it was lumped in with VoIP services which I took it to be like MagicJack. Did I mention I am a life long telephone collector since 7 yeares old and now in my 50s? Did I also mention that I have been involved in VoIP practically since its inception? If something so relevant to me was virtually unknown to me then how is C*Net going to bring in the folks that could benefit from it? If DNS or whatever domain names are the issue, then lets get it moved or modified so that it can be promoted . I should have known about C*Net when it was created. Granted I am not a member of TCI or those groups, as I saw little benefit.
If C*Net is concerned about people signing up siply to have a registry proxy then ask them questions about their old phones. As I undestand it C*Net does not really offer a registry proxy anyway. That is all done by people connecting their asterisk to C*net.
I would like to create an asterisk server for C*Net and I must admit the information available seems somewhat thin, and I am an experienced asterisk user. . I would also like to be able to offer as an enhancement to said service, integration with Google Voice and perring via SIPBroker, not to mention e911, not as a requirement however as an option for those who need it by law when having access to PSTN dialing. I would not want USA/Canada E911 forced on me, as I live in Mexico and completrely understand. Even MagicJack allows you to decline e911 sevice by saying " I Live outside of the USA". However, if I lived in USA or Canada, I would make sure any phone had 911 service , somehow, some way.
Does anyone here believe that C*Net is so unique as a "closed" VoIP service? It is not. It is unique in that it is for collectors. Many like myself have never collected switch hardware and we may have no interest in doing so, but we would like to use C*Net to better communicate with each other or our families. After all why not use what we collect to do that?
Mark
@markosjal:
I think you're missing the point of C-Net entirely. It was never intended, nor is it now, or even perceived, or planned to be a VoIP service. It indeed uses VoIP, but it is not a 'service' to provide personal telephony communications. From the beginning it was simply a means to interconnect historic switching machines so that the collectors of them had a network to connect to in order to interoperate with other systems. Look at it as a provider of trunks via the Internet. Of course, that opened the door to others who didn't care so much about collecting and restoring switching gear, but found it cool to play with them by calling and listening to the clicking sounds of the old telephone networks. Of course a lot of person-to-person telephoning is going on too.
All that C-Net provides centrally as a project is an ENUM server for the numbering plan that was agreed upon by the initial organizers.
That is all that C-Net is.
If you want to participate in that numbering plan than you need to signup for a number allocation. That enables other users to call your system. You don't need to do that in order to just call other systems, you can configure your Asterisk system with the ENUM resolver and be done with it, many members publish their numbers on the web site.
Signing up is a simple process that appears sufficiently described on the web site. It's not something that is promoted and designed for novices, sure. But the lack of promotion is not because there is a perceived fear of rattling administrations, it is because there appears no interest by any of the 'members' to create any kind of VoIP calling service.
The first time I heard about C-Net was when one of the organizers asked on the Asterisk Users' or Developers' listserv whether Asterisk is suitable for that goal and how to get started... along those lines. That was probably about a dozen years ago. I had been involved with Asterisk for perhaps a couple years at the time. It wasn't until several years later when I rediscovered the C-Net group when I found out about TCI. I found it very easy to sign up and get a number allocation for my own Asterisk systems. The online documentation is somewhat sparse, and some of it actually outdated, some of it rather archaic, but it works for those willing to spend a little time with it. If you understand ENUM, it should be a snap to get started.
If you have interest in providing a VoIP telephony service, that's up to you. You can then link it with C-Net. However, just for kicks, this has already been done too, it is just not promoted. Some C-Net member provide a similar facility on their personal Asterisk system.
PS: I would suggest you start by signing up for the CNet mailing list and voice your concerns, if any, or suggestions there.
Mark,
I think your post was pretty much spot on there. C*net isn't publicised at all. And the fact it shares it's name with a tech website doesn't help when searching for it either!
Like you, I'm a phone collector. I don't have huge racks of equipment because I don't have the space for anything like that. I just use C*net to talk to fellow collectors and enthusiasts while using the old phones I have dotted around the house. Originally I didn't have my own asterisk based server, I just used an ATA box to connect to connect me to Ian Jolly's system here in the UK. However I wanted to give a little something back and help C*net to grow, so I got an asterisk server (running Astlinux on a slightly midified HP thin client) which allowed me to open my own 'exchange' and provide some lines with interesting vintage recordings that people can dial into.
I think of C*net not as a network of computer servers but more like an old telephone company that just happens to have computerized exchanges, with different individuals owning and maintaining each exchange.
For me the beauty of C*net is it's unique ability to preserve parts of our history. here in the UK our phone numbers have evilved a lot over the years, with changed dialling codes and extra digits inserted into numbers. However with C*net I can use a 1970s phone to call family and friends on exactly the same numbers I called them on in 1975!!!! All they need is an ATA connected to my 'exchange' server or the free Zoiper app on their mobile phone.
I'd like to see C*net expand because I'd like to see more people use it. We preserve all this old equipment but what's the point if it never clatters, clicks, whirrs and rings into life. There's no fun in looking at a beautifully restorred Strowger rack that isn't doing anything and it's nice when the vintage phones around the house actually ring. That's why my c*net contact details are on the bottom of every post I make on this forum.
My one criticism of C*net is that e-mail list. I absolutely hate e-mail lists in general. They clog up my e-mail and the info on them gets lost within a few hours with no easy way of going back to access it. Maybe a C*net board on this forum would be a better option?
Andy.
Quote from: unbeldi on December 25, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
@markosjal:
I think you're missing the point of C-Net entirely. It was never intended, nor is it now, or even perceived, or planned to be a VoIP service. It indeed uses VoIP, but it is not a 'service' to provide personal telephony communications. From the beginning it was simply a means to interconnect historic switching machines so that the collectors of them had a network to connect to in order to interoperate with other systems. Look at it as a provider of trunks via the Internet. Of course, that opened the door to others who didn't care so much about collecting and restoring switching gear, but found it cool to play with them by calling and listening to the clicking sounds of the old telephone networks. Of course a lot of person-to-person telephoning is going on too.
All that C-Net provides centrally as a project is an ENUM server for the numbering plan that was agreed upon by the initial organizers.
That is all that C-Net is.
If you want to participate in that numbering plan than you need to signup for a number allocation. That enables other users to call your system. You don't need to do that in order to just call other systems, you can configure your Asterisk system with the ENUM resolver and be done with it, many members publish their numbers on the web site.
Signing up is a simple process that appears sufficiently described on the web site. It's not something that is promoted and designed for novices, sure. But the lack of promotion is not because there is a perceived fear of rattling administrations, it is because there appears no interest by any of the 'members' to create any kind of VoIP calling service.
The first time I heard about C-Net was when one of the organizers asked on the Asterisk Users' or Developers' listserv whether Asterisk is suitable for that goal and how to get started... along those lines. That was probably about a dozen years ago. I had been involved with Asterisk for perhaps a couple years at the time. It wasn't until several years later when I rediscovered the C-Net group when I found out about TCI. I found it very easy to sign up and get a number allocation for my own Asterisk systems. The online documentation is somewhat sparse, and some of it actually outdated, some of it rather archaic, but it works for those willing to spend a little time with it. If you understand ENUM, it should be a snap to get started.
If you have interest in providing a VoIP telephony service, that's up to you. You can then link it with C-Net. However, just for kicks, this has already been done too, it is just not promoted. Some C-Net member provide a similar facility on their personal Asterisk system.
PS: I would suggest you start by signing up for the CNet mailing list and voice your concerns, if any, or suggestions there.
I am not missing ANY point. I see your use is different than what I would envision but it can be many different things to different people. I have been a life long telephone collector since my childhood. I never worked for a telco I was an early adopter of VoIP and made a business out of it quickly. I understand VoIP and ALL things it is capable of being.
When you say "VoIP service" you make it sound so commercial. That is not really my intention , as I am just trying to contribute. I actually am currently in Mexico and there is currently no Mexico node whatsoever. I have been in touch with some collectors here in Mexico. they would like to know what it is all about too . There is not a lick of information in Spanish from what I have seen, and little in English.
Now on the subject of SIP Peering like sipbroker , my former VoIP business was a pioneer in that we offered that kind of peering long before others did and all sipbroker codes were intergrated into our dial plan. They were all free calls and why not? I mean if your mother is on callcentric (or any one of hundeds of services that peer via sipbroker) wouldnt it be nice to actually use that old phone to talk to mom? And it is free no matter how long the distance. "SIP its the Next Best thing to being there". It does not mean you will be targeted for SPAM calls . I am available via peering I get lots of spam on the PSTN and none on peering . I see someone on C*net has already blocked out the SIP (747) prefix which should naturally allow sipbroker dialing. That 747 prefix is the most natural way to implement it given the lack of "*" in the rotary phone world.in your own words you say , "....had a network to connect to in order to interoperate with other systems...." that sounds a lot like peering to me.
By the way ENUM in the true sense represents a VoIP destination for a PSTN number. ie; +1234567890 = sip:12345678900@myhomesipserver.com
on a further note you can not have a service like c*net and have no or too little documentation. It all must come together . If for instance I exclude the use of CODECS that you and your users support then my people can not call your people .
Quote from: andy1702 on December 28, 2016, 01:23:12 PM
Mark,
I think your post was pretty much spot on there. C*net isn't publicised at all. And the fact it shares it's name with a tech website doesn't help when searching for it either!
Like you, I'm a phone collector. I don't have huge racks of equipment because I don't have the space for anything like that. I just use C*net to talk to fellow collectors and enthusiasts while using the old phones I have dotted around the house. Originally I didn't have my own asterisk based server, I just used an ATA box to connect to connect me to Ian Jolly's system here in the UK. However I wanted to give a little something back and help C*net to grow, so I got an asterisk server (running Astlinux on a slightly midified HP thin client) which allowed me to open my own 'exchange' and provide some lines with interesting vintage recordings that people can dial into.
I think of C*net not as a network of computer servers but more like an old telephone company that just happens to have computerized exchanges, with different individuals owning and maintaining each exchange.
For me the beauty of C*net is it's unique ability to preserve parts of our history. here in the UK our phone numbers have evilved a lot over the years, with changed dialling codes and extra digits inserted into numbers. However with C*net I can use a 1970s phone to call family and friends on exactly the same numbers I called them on in 1975!!!! All they need is an ATA connected to my 'exchange' server or the free Zoiper app on their mobile phone.
I'd like to see C*net expand because I'd like to see more people use it. We preserve all this old equipment but what's the point if it never clatters, clicks, whirrs and rings into life. There's no fun in looking at a beautifully restorred Strowger rack that isn't doing anything and it's nice when the vintage phones around the house actually ring. That's why my c*net contact details are on the bottom of every post I make on this forum.
My one criticism of C*net is that e-mail list. I absolutely hate e-mail lists in general. They clog up my e-mail and the info on them gets lost within a few hours with no easy way of going back to access it. Maybe a C*net board on this forum would be a better option?
Andy.
I will gladly host such a forum FREE. I have dedicated servers. I hate the email lists too.
Quote from: unbeldi on December 25, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
@markosjal:
...You don't need to do that in order to just call other systems, you can configure your Asterisk system with the ENUM resolver and be done with it...
Not without pissing some people off I discovered the hard way.
I have concluded the following:
C*Net is NOT INTERESTED IN NEW NODES, NEW USERS, NOR INNOVATION!
I never imagined how they would treat me on their list.
On a further note , I pointed out to them that I did recall leaving a message on TCI List or forum, many years ago suggesting that these guys with old switches try using asterisk . I also recall that as I did not understand all of their requirements it was not clear that it would even work at the time. I was however busy running a VoIP business at that time and did not follow up. I have been on and off that C*Net listserve many times over the years. Still however they treated me like a newbie and were even offended when I put a node up in a day without seeking their "expert" advice or help.
I have pointed out that they have the ENTIRE 1 747 prefix assigned but unused, and I requested it, and suddenly I was the enemy. I was making waves and "demanding" however the part of their own rules (which they do not publish fully anywhere) that are published do clearly state they should have reassigned it and did not.
I also requested assignment to get the first Mexico node up and nobody ever followed up. I never got any numbers assigned despite there being no +52 node in existence to date and ALL prefixes in +52 are available.
They took all the fun out of it.
Mark
It looks like it is several ways to administrate C*NET, I have had a pretty passive relation to C*NET but th politics of the European part of C*NET is very simple but limited by some simple ideas. All countries has got new dial plans, but C*NET tries to re-establish and follow the historical ones. You may host a an area wit a few numbers, or a country if you allow new members to to be hosted by you. As well as possible peaple may get their old numbers as they grew up with, wit the area-codes, preferably from as long time back as possible. If you do not have such number, you should get numbers witch would be natural from your area. Where I live we got dial telephones inn 1968, so her we are under +47 (Norway) area-code 02 (Oslo ++) 6 digits starting on 66 or 67. Other areas had 3 digit area codes, and 5 digit numbers, when you dig deeper you could maybe find a number of local under exchange. (a small cabinet along a track)
I like that, and I will give great credit to those planning all this.
On the other hand
I have had little communication over this system and most for use of test numbers, clock, weather etc.
For the common user not especially interested in this a free account in Callcentric are much easier to set up, and may easily be changed to a real account with reasonable costs for telephony services to the regular telephone network.
Obviously C*NET does not fit your needs, but with your background you may probably set up a server, and automatic registration as Callcentric and host a lot of free telephone collectors witch find C*NET bureaucratic, at least if you may convince us that you will keep this service running free for many years.
I am not very easy to reach because of my struggle to connect my PAX via a DIY trunk to the Callcentric Network.
You may call the Callcentric number 1 777 292 2141 or regular N.Y. number 1 646 570 1796
You get a voice message, then if you go for 2 and you get to my PAX with a strange dial tone, dial 6 and after a few more seconds it rings on my desk, if it not is night here in Norway. :-)
dsk
Mark, who exactly are "they" at C*net? I use the system all the time and have no problems with it. I also got lots of help setting it up. However I am in the UK, which I understand is administered differently to that in the US. C*net has US administrators and "rest of world" admins who are different. If you are in Mmexico then I'd say you're in the "rest of world" area, so the person you need to speak to about getting number allocations would be Ian Jolly in the UK.
We do have some rules about dial plans, but those are in place so the whole system replicates the old telephone system as closely as possible. Remember, C*net is for those wanting to replicate the hostoric system, it is not meant for VOIP experimentation. C*net members are encouraged to connect heritage equipment, which is exactly what people do here in the UK. It doesn't mean it can't be useful though. All my old phones at home connect to the outside world via a PBX. That PBX has three external lines, one POTS and 2x C*net. I also have the Zoiper app on my cell phone, which enables me to call home for free from anywhere in the world with a data connection.
As for recordings connected to C*net, that is entirely up to whoever is running that particular "exchange" or "local office". I have never come across any content I regard as racist at all.
Andy,
"they" being the few that seem to make rules for the rest and those that autonomously block other nodes
I requeted activation of mexico +52 , Never got it. I requested originally +1 747 which was assigned but unused , and according to their own (some of the few) published rules, they should have re-assigned that prefix and REFUSED to . I had an IP blocked by users because I had it set up and they never assigned the number range. It was through no fault of my own. It was theirs for their lazy asses. Now that IP can not dial into some other nodes. That was when I FINALLY was getting a +1 777 Block and after all attempts for +1 747 and +_52 were COMPLETELY IGNORED.
It seems if they do not like something that you are doing they shun you and prevent you from doing anything. They act as if a new user should know who to ask for what.
They stifle any innovation.
I am sorry to hear that it feels like that, as I mentioned over C*NET are not used much by me, but I have got lots of help from Ian, and would not have been up and running on my own without help.
I've had no idea of anything witch may be racism in c*net before this thread, and I have hard to believe that Ian have such things in mind. He is also a representative of a minority in the UK as a Welch man. What I write here is no guarantee of no racism, just how I have observed it.
He do have pretty strict rules about how many numbers you may get, and he want you to make and describe a setup as close to the old times number series as possible. You will not get a full series of numbers, only what you need, and it shall be possible for others in the same area to get "their old number" He will not allow to make numbers who not has been used in the old times. That is not Racism, but a struggle to make a the number plan looking as close to what it was in the old times.
dsk
Mark;
I removed that last post.
I am for one. sick and tired of that phrase.
Dan
well nobody will ever know what "that phrase" is since you removed it.
Anyone who posts racist material to c*net as Big John Novack did, or defends him is quite deserving of being labelled appropriately.
They are just a bunch of "good ole boys" l but then again so were the telcos and their employees back in the day
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So by way of the membership of this forum I can not say what I believe C*net really is ? That is way too restrictive and you know it.
So we can not adddress any "sensitive" topic as it may be "defamatorry" or otherwise priohibited by the "rules" of this forum?
I am a citizen by birth of 2 countries. . One of those countries hosts this forum both in name and IP address. Both of those countries, including wheere I sit at the moment , guarantee me the right to speak freely . I do not believe that this forum has the authority to negate that right , especially when what I say I believe to be 100% true. There is a name for that it is "censorship" I am completely willing to deal with any legal fallout that C*net or John Novack wants to bring against me , should they wish to. I REFUSE to leave constitutionally protected right at the door of Walmart when I enter there just as I REFUSE to leave them at the door when entering here. Those rights protect me in all places , including here. Those right are protected for a reason and they apply especially in a public forum which this forum is read-onlty at least to the public. Just as many states now dub things like shoppitg malls and parking lots as "public places" .
If you feel the need to ban me, go right ahead. I have been an active member in this forum and have made valid contributions.
The issue seems to be mentioning "big John Novack" by name . His offensive recording had to do with a turd left by a mechanic in a black woman's car. Maybe funny to a white (racist) guy and not so offensive to a non-black , but racist nonetheless. I am sure his opinion is no better of my non-white origins.
Truth is my people were here long before his. If I chose to be racist it can easilty apply to most any non native american or Latino , which are often times one and the same, despite of society putting them in separate boxes.
I will not stand for it here nor anywhere else, nor will I stand for this form to support big John Novack by way of censoring me. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE!
Mark....Since parts of the post have been deleted, I am not sure what was said. I know John Novak from years in the ATCA, but do not know him, Name recognition only. I find no humor in the description on what the mechanic did. If it was in a conversation, I would have told him so. ....Doug
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This is a battle no-one can win. As far as I understand markosjal's feelings are deeply hurt, whatever the meaning from the representatives from C*NET was. I will of-course think it will be better with an excuse than nothing. Still at a level like this I see no way to get a full peace. Even with an agreement of peace it takes time to heal.
Another point of importance it that this is addressed to C*NET and not to this forum, most of our members has wisely bin careful of making comments, so this case will not be anything else than a collection of monologues.
I should hereby wish that this thread was locked, and only opened for one posting from each part if they state to be willing have a dialog for peace and agreement on a pm or email basis.
When or if they reach this goal, the moderator may reopen for announcing the peace.
With a wish for peace!
dsk
Quote from: dsk on March 14, 2018, 01:17:54 PM
I should hereby wish that this thread was locked, and only opened for one posting from each part if they state to be willing have a dialog for peace and agreement on a pm or email basis.
GLOBAL MODERATOR POSTAs suggested, this topic has been locked to prevent further damage to this forum.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/the-first-amendment-what-it-means-free-speech-online/