I have a WE 500 Rotary phone 425B network and a C4A Ringer. The bell won't ring. I have tried the move the bell black wire from the G terminal to the L1 terminal. Then the bell will ring on a incoming call. However, then I can't break the dial tone on an outgoing call. Any Help?
Could you post a picture, I'm not always the best to help but for other peoples reference.
Ben
I don't know how to post pictures.
Maybe I do. Here is another one.
Try connecting the yellow and black wire up to the green wire. Not sure termanal... Or just look at my drawings, the circle is selecting the wires needed to be moved and the arrow is pointing where they need to be re secured.
Ben
Thanks Ben.
This is the same results as before. The bell will ring, but I can't break the dial tone on an outgoing call.
Oh, you can't break dial tone, thats different... I thought above you said it won't ring.
Ben
All sorts of wires are connected to the wrong terminals. Try following the notes below.
Larry
Larry,
This is going to take a while. I want to make sure I can get all the wires back the way they are now if that don't work.
Kratzbfk
also try the wiring diagram under western electric 500 in the wiring diagram of this forum.good luck.
On the bottom of your phone does it read C/D 500? It may be a variant of the 500 which may have a different wiring scheme, which could be why so many of your wires are not as a normal 500 would be.
Dennis,
On the Bottom of the phone it says 500DM. It also has stamped R12-71.
Kratzbfk
Then you're going to have to make some wiring changes as suggested. Check out this thread and see if the color diagram helps you.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=2767.0
The 500 DM indicates it is a Model 500 with a Dial and Modular connections. The R12-71 indicates a Repair date of December 1971.
Thanks Dennis,
Should I still try the wiring changes Larry sent me? Do you think it is worth the trouble?
Kratzbfk
I hadn't checked his changes but I'm sure they are as the diagram depicts. Whichever way is easier for you. Just trace one component at a time...........Ringer, Dial, Cords.
Dennis & Larry,
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,
I can't say it enough. I made the changes Larry said and checked the wiring diagram with them. I can now make a call out and get a call in with the bell ringing. Phone is working great.
Thanks again,
Bernie Kratz
Larry & Dennis,
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I can't say it enough. I made the changes Larry sent and checked the wiring diagram. I can now make a call out and receive a call with the bell ringing. The phone works great.
Thanks again,
Kratzbfk
Dennis & Larry,
I'm not sure my last post went out. I just want to thank you guys for fixing my problem. I made the changes Larry sent and checked the wiring diagram and the phone works great. I can make a call out and receive a call with the bell ringing.
Thanks again,
Kratzbfk
Your post logged just fine. You're welcome. One more thing....check your ringer bias spring. Sometimes you can make it ring louder/stronger by simply moving the spring. Look at the photo here:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3151.msg42117#msg42117
This was wired for "tip party ID" on a party line. This was done by the technician in the field--remember, you couldn't even purchase your own phones if you still had a party line!
Whenever you see 2 ringer wires connected to B (where the black handset wire goes), this indicates that the set was wired for a party line---specifically, "tip party ID" for correct billing. you can convert it back to standard wiring as follows:
Remove the Slate and Red/Slate wires from B and wire it this way:
Black ringer wire to L1
Red ringer wire to L2
Slate ringer wire to K
Red/Slate ringer wire to A
Quote from: poplar1 on June 26, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
This was wired for "tip party ID" on a party line. This was done by the technician in the field--remember, you couldn't even purchase your own phones if you still had a party line!
Whenever you see 2 ringer wires connected to B (where the black handset wire goes), this indicates that the set was wired for a party line---specifically, "tip party ID" for correct billing. you can convert it back to standard wiring as follows:
Remove the Slate and Red/Slate wires from B and wire it this way:
Black ringer wire to L1
Red ringer wire to L2
Slate ringer wire to K
Red/Slate ringer wire to A
I was wondering how the phone come to be wired so strangely.
Larry