Interested to see what you guys think.
eBay item number: 332504013651
Only one cat, that mentions 35A5 in conjunction with a PAX system. It is AA-14
No schematic seen in seller photos (but haven't contacted him.) He mentions a 20Hz ringer "...it rings but not real loudly."
Curious about the condensers (capacitors) here. What is purpose of the second one? (OldPhoneShop (I think) has one for the well heeled that looks a beauty. His has two condensers.)
Anyone have schematic for CB AE-35? Photos? This one look OK?
Never thought I'd be typing the following, but except for wish-list that follows-- that's pretty much it for AE. (In my income bracket at least!)
Thanks for reading
--Bruce, who is still patiently waiting for...
AE-2, AE-14 with dial, two line monophone, and AE-35
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"Up for offer is a beautiful antique Automatic Electric 35 Rotary Monophone that works, it rings, receives and dials out. It has no side vents and a type 38 handset with spit cup transmitter. It was manufactured some time around 1935 -1937. This phone is in nice shape but not perfect, it does have a few marks, 2 of them shown in the pictures, the one by the cradle is the worst mark but hidden by the receiver when hung up. It also has a 20 hertz ringer, it rings but not real loudly. There is also a loud click noise in the receiver earpiece when the hook button is pushed, also the cord needs more cleaning. It has a 2 wire plug for modern phone jacks. Check all pictures carefully and ask questions, I will "try" to answer them to the best of my knowledge."
Here's a couple wiring diagrams out of my 35's. The first two show two capacitors, the third I think only shows one. Don't know if this helps or not.
Thanks for reply.
Was going through diagrams thinking one would be for ringer... The other seemed to go through a big 200 ohm resistor... Its AST? Then the phone rang. Turned out it was a member here who has helped me with AE in the past.
He was kind enough to have a look at the eBay listing,and enjoyed talking phones with him. His verdict was the eBay phone was OK, but pricey.
Long & short: expensive phone, but decided it's still less than PhonecoInc, and *way* less than other on-line sources. I'm good at rationalizing. ;)
Crossing fingers that USPS doesn't destroy bakelite.
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Aside:
Anyone familiar with OldPhones (dot) com?
He has some NOS extensicords far more reasonable than eBay or another very pricey retailer, but no phone number. Anyone done business at this site? Not sure I like the idea of going through pay-pal based on someones e-mail address.
Bruce ,
I hope it makes the trip just fine . stub
The second and third diagrams are aniti-sidetone: notice that there are 3 windings on the induction coil.
The 3rd winding makes anti-sidetone.
The first diagram doesn't even have an induction coil in the phone base. It has 3 wires going to the receiver unit so it must be a PAX phone with induction coil type receiver, like the 11A Monophone.
Quote from: Slal on January 10, 2018, 08:19:24 PM
Never thought I'd be typing the following, but except for wish-list that follows-- that's pretty much it for AE. (In my income bracket at least!)
--Bruce, who is still patiently waiting for...
AE-2, AE-14 with dial, two line monophone, and AE-35
So you bought the $249 AE35? They never go cheap unless someone mistakes a 35 for a 50 which I've seen on the e-place before. 35's just don't show up very often. I have a spare 35 but it has a 50 cover on it with side vents. I need to find someone with a 35 Bakelite cover on an AE 50. There's at least one out there. Doug Pavlichek had one and I bought the spare that I have when I came upon it for him to fix his. But...he died before the swap happened :(
An AE2 isn't going to be a low cost one either. What's your bufdget like?
What's a 14...probably the Induction Coil Receiver version of the little 4A Spacesaver? The 4 doesn't have a dial and a 4A has a dial.
Terry
Terry,
4 ( induction coil ) and 14 (induction coil receiver) non-dial ,4A (induction coil ) and 14A (induction coil receiver) dial versions. stub
And the 14's are the Induction Coil Receiver versions?
Terry
Thanks for replies.
@ Stubs
Thanks for wishing me luck with post office. Cold out there PA to TX so hoping it makes it safe & sound. (If they don't send it to Montana or some place.) Wasn't there a topic called 'post office shenanigans' or something?
@ Poplar1
So 3rd winding = AST. Nice little nugget to know. If reading the second diagram correctly, bottom # of ind coil is its third winding then? Similar impedance. Difficult to make out on a 4k monitor. Need computer glasses. : )
@ AE Collector
Budget is 10k question isn’t it! Depends on what its is, condition, market value, etc. I’m fortunate to have funds in MM not doing much at .045% so if something extraordinary came along-- have to give that some serious thought. For example, been looking for a certain rare fountain for a decade. If ran across one of those, buy that puppy! Opportunity knocks but once on something like that. For everything else... Case by case basis I guess.
Funny, all this time I never knew what “A” meant! So an AE-11 A is a phone w/o coil inside and has a dial on it. Two little nuggets I learned today. So either 'AE-4 A' or 'AE 14 A' if want one with dial. : )
Thanks for reading
--Bruce
Bruce ,
This is a AE 14 A Dial Monophone Extension set.
Ken, need a picture against a light background to appreciate the dial mounting. Can see it a bit better in your Avatar.
Terry
Quote from: Slal on January 13, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
Funny, all this time I never knew what "A" meant! So an AE-11 A is a phone w/o coil inside and has a dial on it. Two little nuggets I learned today. So either 'AE-4 A' or 'AE 14 A' if want one with dial. : )
--Bruce
AE isn't THAT organized! My thoughts are that an A was added to an existing model for some sort of a major change/upgrade. In the case of the AE 4 & 14 to indicate a dial added to a phone that didn't have a spot to put a dial. This is true for the AE 1 and 1A as well. I'm trying to think of another example where an added A was for some other reason but not coming up with anything at the moment.
Phones like the 34 and 35 always had an A with an extension digit added as well...34A3 and 35A5. By the time they were introduced AE had got to the point where the model number was the year of design or introduction (not so with models prior to the 3x's. "A" could possibly mean something like "Automatic Ready" IE: either has a dial or has a built in spot for a dial and the final digit would likely indicate the item number of the new item introduced that year. So 34A3 was the 3rd new item they introduced in 1934 and a 34A4 could be some sort of switch in a CO (totally different thing). In the case of the AE 1 / 1A and the 4 / 4A, neither the 1 or the 4 have a built in place for a dial, it was an add on dial holder on the 4 making it a 4A and a different base housing on the 1 it a 1A.
Just thinking out loud here, None of this is anything other than my observations and thoughts.
Terry
Quote from: AE_Collector on January 13, 2018, 04:33:05 PM
AE isn't THAT organized! My thoughts are that an A was added to an existing model for some sort of a major change/upgrade. In the case of the AE 4 & 14 to indicate a dial added to a phone that didn't have a spot to put a dial. This is true for the AE 1 and 1A as well. I'm trying to think of another example where an added A was for some other reason but not coming up with anything at the moment.
Phones like the 34 and 35 always had an A with an extension digit added as well...34A3 and 35A5. By the time they were introduced AE had got to the point where the model number was the year of design or introduction (not so with models prior to the 3x's. "A" could possibly mean something like "Automatic Ready" IE: either has a dial or has a built in spot for a dial and the final digit would likely indicate the item number of the new item introduced that year. So 34A3 was the 3rd new item they introduced in 1934 and a 34A4 could be some sort of switch in a CO (totally different thing). In the case of the AE 1 / 1A and the 4 / 4A, neither the 1 or the 4 have a built in place for a dial, it was an add on dial holder on the 4 making it a 4A and a different base housing on the 1 it a 1A.
Just thinking out loud here, None of this is anything other than my observations and thoughts.
Terry
That's interesting. So a manual monophone is an AE-1. No dial cover plate or anything, just a round base. Also pretty cool that years might have been part of sequence, but that adds to my confusion about the coils then. (Ones place = model ; tens place = coil in it) Maybe they changed it? Guess that's why I enjoy AE. Kind of a riddle or puzzle.
Anyway, very cold out and frozen in, so have time to play with camera. Here are some shots of the AE-35 that (fortunately) arrived safe and sound.
Was able to adjust ringer and get it ringing on both bells. Don't know how loud they were supposed to be, but have a nice sound to them.
Only fly in ointment is (since the seller mainly does phones and related items) he might have kept the schematic. I would've liked to have had the number from it-- see if I could get exact model # & age.
Consolation prize... I don't think seller realized an older number card was still in it. The one with an area code had me feeling good about listing. Phone probably in service if newer looking area code, so probably maintained by telco. Didn't know it was a convenient sticker on top of old card! Now I a cool looking # card in it, and can dial friends in Jackson Mississippi, or anyone named Jackson...
It has a couple of minor scratches and one 'battle scar' but I like them 'distressed.' More in my price range, and just not into super clean and shiny. To each his own I guess.
That is a nice dial card, love the originals. That is also a very cool desk, I like all the vintage office stuff.
What is the box next to the typewriter with the Bates name on it? A kind of Rolodex?
Lots of "ifs" but if the condenser is original and if the Two Letter Code is XH and not HX then my theory is this is a December 1939 Phone which is entirely possible as 35s would be late about 1935 to 1940. See if you can find anymore Two Letter Codes anywhere including transmitter and receiver.
The fact that it is made in Chicago, not Chicago 7 puts it prior to postal zoning system introduction in 1943.
Any stamping on the back?
Terry
Quote from: HarrySmith on January 17, 2018, 05:27:16 PM
That is a nice dial card, love the originals. That is also a very cool desk, I like all the vintage office stuff.
What is the box next to the typewriter with the Bates name on it? A kind of Rolodex?
Not sure what what you'd call it. ; ) Only clue to age might be materials (brass & ferrous metal) & one entry: "Adams Kennedy 2307 - 3033."
The brass wheel reads, "Bates Rotary Index Patents Pend'g | Orange, Illinois." Late teens to 30's? Periodicals in Google docs great research tool, but PDF files are *huge* if don't have some idea of year much less decade.
Four digit numbers would have been circa?
Long way of asking if anyone knows anything about it. ; )
Quote from: AE_Collector on January 17, 2018, 06:15:07 PM
Lots of "ifs" but if the condenser is original and if the Two Letter Code is XH and not HX then my theory is this is a December 1939 Phone which is entirely possible as 35s would be late about 1935 to 1940. See if you can find anymore Two Letter Codes anywhere including transmitter and receiver.
The fact that it is made in Chicago, not Chicago 7 puts it prior to postal zoning system introduction in 1943.
Any stamping on the back?
Terry
On the wall now, but luckily seller still has photos up. Here is. Looks like 9HX along with what might be its cat # for that year? L370 'A6 20'
Nice tid-bit about "7 Chicago" is 1943 or later. Into the notebook it goes. ; )
Speaking of Chicago helping with dates, anyone ever see a name plate like this one?
Did they ever use "Registered Trademark" before "Chicago 7" ?Photo is from ended eBay listing that I took a pass on. Looked a little too shiny with chrome cradle. (I'm not sure that was an option, but certainly not an expert.)
I ask, because it's disturbing to return to hobby and find repro nameplates, and even repro 'highboy' cradles. Buyer beware on the bay or internet... That much hasn't changed, but even if a 'highboy' came up, I'd have to be very careful if they're making fake parts for them.
Back to topic:
If helps assign a date range for this phone, condenser reads, "D6(covered by bracket) 1MF XH" Screw on there pretty good. If helps date, can use a ratchet extension to get rest of part number.
No 2 letter codes on anything I could find. RCVR not marked. XMTR = "AE Co. 35A7 | D-38273-A"
HS has no imprints on it and that leads to another question since lost info on bad USB drive. When did they start or stop putting imprints on type 38 handsets?
And how do you get December 1939 out of XH! There's a method to AEs madness? : D
Seriously. The level of knowledge here never ceases to amaze.
best
--Bruce
Hi Bruce, I'm the guy you bought the AE35 from on ebay. Sorry but there was no schematic inside when I received the phone. It was from an estate of a guy who worked for a telephone company. He must have also been a collector, the auction for his estate had about 50 phones. I got 19 of them> ;D
Quote from: bob833 on February 03, 2018, 08:32:25 AM
Hi Bruce, I'm the guy you bought the AE35 from on ebay. Sorry but there was no schematic inside when I received the phone. It was from an estate of a guy who worked for a telephone company. He must have also been a collector, the auction for his estate had about 50 phones. I got 19 of them> ;D
Thanks for reply. Have to look up your handle now and see if other goodies from the estate sale. : )
As for the diagram, no biggie. Kind of icing on the cake.
best
--Bruce
PS:
I don't want to be overlong, but I've never met an EBay seller on-line. If you have the time, or care to comment, I'm curious.
How do you make a
profit on eBay?
I once made the mistake of listing an old fountain pen on the eBay, and had the reserve based what I'd pay for it via the grapevine. Pen sold for more than that, so was quite happy until I found out how much pay-pal wanted. Then eBay had the nerve to charge me a listing fee. Seems msg,
"list your spring cleaning items free!" had a price limit or something.
I ended up making a whopping $17.00 which was hardly worth the time it took to take good photographs. Want to say their combined 'take' was 33% ! Too much for me. E-mail = less overhead. ;)
Don't know how you manage it on eBay, but glad you do. Be interested to hear your thoughts (horror stories?) as eBay seller. I am sure you're not getting rich at it! :D
Welcome to the World according to eBay Bruce. Listing Fees....percentage of your selling and shipping, yes shipping!!....Paypal fees. You lose about 17% of what your item sold for. CraigsList is a real nice alternative, but you do not get the exposure. I been selling for close to 20 Years on eBay. I love eBay....I hate eBay....repeat...Doug
I've sold a couple of things on Craig's List, Facebook marketplace and local online auction groups. If buyers can be flakey on eBay, these other sites can really showcase people at their worst! Promises, arrangements, no shows, more promises, some begging, last minute "will you take", no show again...repeat as many times as necessary to get the item out of your house.
Terry
Terry....agreed...but you do get 100% of your money....if they show up 8)....Doug
Yes, agreed also, I hate it but I love selling there. I always add 20% to what I need to cover all the fees. I also have an eBay store which allows me to list almost everything for free.
Hey Bruce, here is a picture of my latest find, not your everyday buy but they do show up. I am currently "working" on the to 750b panel phones trying to get them functional, but the receiver cords are crumbling.
As for ebay, I do make a few bucks but you are right, I'm not getting rich. I look at sales and auctions as more of a treasure hunt.
I really like buying things for a buck or 2 and selling them for a few hundred. I bought a Honeywell furnace timing relay for a buck and sold it for $350, but that doesn't happen everyday.
And I do have a few horror stories, like a fragile package that had to be forwarded to 3 different addresses because the buyer thought ebay and paypal would have changed her address because she put a new credit card on her paypal account. She gave me 3 different addresses and USPS did forward it to all 3, she finally got it. She was stressing me out, she told me I need yoga or meditation.
Craigslist and Facebook are just as bad, you find many strange people. I was selling a Yamaha keyboard and an Amish guy called me. He said he doesn't own a car, can I deliver it 50 miles away. Hey must have had a computer or a smart phone to see the ad and call me.
Small world I guess. If it's not inappropriate, can you guys give store name's or how to find you on the bay? Maybe a PM since conflict of interest or something.
Don't think CRPF was meant to be advertising. I asked first if moderators/admin worried. : )
Craig's List is indeed crazy. Called about an ad for an old reel to reel-- might need a donor unit for parts. Guy claimed he was a doctor and apologized-- can't let anyone know home address. Local i-Hop OK?
Fine. Great way to get robbed...
Turns out the guy was legit if driving a Benz "S" class any indication. "The rich are different"
Anyway, kind of funny because here we are in the parking lot, chewing the fat about tape decks next to the truck of his car.
And soon visited by a deputy sheriff... Seems management at the i-Hop had seen some "shady dealings" and had called police!
Deputy quite nice about it, but maybe one of those stories where you'd have to have been there.
"Psst! Hey buddy.. Wanna buy a hot tape deck from 1972?" ;)
Not really any problem buying, selling or giving out contact info here. We are on alert a little when a brand new member starts trying to sell things with his first post but as long as no one is getting annoyed (or ripped off) by anyone's selling activities I think we are fine with it. I wouldn't mind if there was more buy & sell activity between members but I think the bottom line for anyone trying to sell quite a bit of phone stuff is that there just isn't enough traffic here. Remember that there is a fair bit of traffic that has never registered as a member thus they can't PM the seller. Sellers can include their email address in listings though.
Terry
Bruce, I noticed your typewriter in the one picture. I just picked up an Oliver No. 9 typewriter, it looks strange so I had to bid on it. Some people call it a "bat wing" because of the looped type bars the come in from the sides. I'm going to try to clean it up and get it somewhat working. I think the pencil holder on it is broken though.
Quote from: bob833 on February 05, 2018, 06:43:36 PM
Bruce, I noticed your typewriter in the one picture. I just picked up an Oliver No. 9 typewriter, it looks strange so I had to bid on it. Some people call it a "bat wing" because of the looped type bars the come in from the sides. I'm going to try to clean it up and get it somewhat working. I think the pencil holder on it is broken though.
You know, I think that I have the EXACT wooden shipping crate for that typewriter!