Hi Guys
I just received a NE 2236QC chrome TT payphone with all internals.
I connected Stans Coin Controller and coin relay works perfect and
makes calls. The problem I have is that the phone will not answer.
When I pick up the handset during the ringing which I hear on another
phone on the line I hear a mid-tone warble like sound and the other
phone on the line still ringing. It does it whether the internal ringer
is connected or not. Any thoughts?
JohnnyJT ???
South Philly
You are plugging the upper housing in aren't you?
Are you using it with a subset as was intended by the manufacturer?
Doesn't the NE 2236 have the network built in to the upper housing like the WE 236?
There should be a network behind the coin chute, making it a self-contained payphone.
However, from what little I can see in the photograph it seems as if the clamp on the upper-housing that is used to secure the cable which is terminated with a DB-15 connector is missing and some of the wires have been rearranged. If this is so, then this set will need a subset; if not then a subset is NOT needed.
I suppose another more important question would be whether this set worked prior to having the controller connected?
Hi Guys
Yes, there is a network and ringer under the chute and the DB-15 plug is there.
And yes I am connecting the DB-15 plug yes it does ring and answer when
connected to the phone line. As mention before the problem is when connected
to Stan's Coin Controller it will not ring or answer. When I pick up the receiver
I hear a mid-tone warble like sound and will not answer but another phone on
the line still rings. I was hoping someone would recognize the symptom.
Even Stan is baffled. Well maybe someone will think of something, just let me know.
Thanks
JohnnyJT 8)
South Philly
Stan emailed me and asked me to take ohm reading between ring and tip
to see if 2236 was higher and it read 2K ohms while my other was 0.72 ohms.
He said if the resistance of the 2236 is higher than the other 3-slot that answers.
That's the reason it isn't answering. There's something about that 2236 that isn't factory.
Next when I get a chance I'll open up the front housing to see if the connections are correct.
The Saga continues...
JohnnyJT 8)
South Philly
Well I finally found out why the phone was not answering when
connected to Stan's Coin Controller. It was looking at me right
in my face. On the wiring diagram it says that the coin phone
is delivered wired Loop Start and if Ground Start is needed move
wire connected to pin 5 on DB-15 plug on Terminal 2 to Terminal 3
Low and behold it answered but will not ring but who cares the
main thing is that it answers. :)
I appreciate all who helped me try to correct this problem
especially Stan Schreier which I would of never got started
with this project.
Below is a pdf of NE-2236QC - NC-1236QC wiring diagram
Thank You
JohnnyJt 8)
South Philly
I just bought a 2236QC and would like to verify some information. First, I don't see a wiring diagram on the TCI website so thanks for posting that wiring diagram. Do the internals on my phone look original? Did this phone also come with the ringer as shown in the pictures? I don't see a capacitor anywhere, and the ringer doesn't seem to work. I get a dial tone, and can answer calls - is there any way to make the dial work without buying a network?
I found one of these in chrome today, no keys.
He was asking $124.95 and when I asked about the keys, he drooped to $75.00 without me even asking for a discount. I didn't buy it because I'm a little intimidated by the prospect of getting a pay phone in working order. What is a fair price and the collectibility of this model?
Buy It,
It is a great price on a hard to find phone.
JMO,
Jim S.
What do you suppose is that plug to the right of the key slot? Someone broke into it at some point?
Quote from: Pourme on March 04, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
What do you suppose is that plug to the right of the key slot? Someone broke into it at some point?
The plug most likely blocks the hole where a barrel lock once resided. I'd ha' snatched it up, boogied, trying to suppress my delight until I left the establishment, for propriety's sake. ;) Looks like a great deal, at least to this ol' fool, from internet pictures.
Heck, I'd love to have just the center info card. 8)
Best regards!
Quote from: Pourme on March 04, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
I found one of these in chrome today, no keys.
He was asking $124.95 and when I asked about the keys, he drooped to $75.00 without me even asking for a discount. I didn't buy it because I'm a little intimidated by the prospect of getting a pay phone in working order. What is a fair price and the collectibility of this model?
I went back this morning to see if this pay phone was still there & it was....I offered the guy $50.00 and he accepted it.
I have my 1st pay station phone!...You guys are enabling my weakness!
Thank you!
Why do I always have trouble just getting an extra 10% off to put towards the taxes owing on the purchase?!
Terry
Quote from: Pourme on March 05, 2016, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: Pourme on March 04, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
I found one of these in chrome today, no keys.
He was asking $124.95 and when I asked about the keys, he drooped to $75.00 without me even asking for a discount. I didn't buy it because I'm a little intimidated by the prospect of getting a pay phone in working order. What is a fair price and the collectibility of this model?
I went back this morning to see if this pay phone was still there & it was....I offered the guy $50.00 and he accepted it.
I have my 1st pay station phone!...You guys are enabling my weakness!
Thank you!
You could always sell it to fund your telephone collecting hobby....
JMO,
Jim S.
I lucked up twice in the past week!
Hello
Have you connected it to a phone line yet and does it work?
The Northern NE-1236s and NE-2236s were the best Touch Tone payphones ever made.
Makes no difference what it cost. You got a great payphone!
Stan S.
Nice one wds ;)
Quote from: Stan S on March 06, 2016, 12:36:56 PM
Hello
Have you connected it to a phone line yet and does it work?
The Northern NE-1236s and NE-2236s were the best Touch Tone payphones ever made.
Makes no difference what it cost. You got a great payphone!
Stan S.
No I haven't. The weekend has kept me busy. I plan to take some time tomorrow to tinker with it a bit. Glad to hear what a good phone it is.
Jim s...For now I think I'll hold on to it, it looks nice just sitting there!...Thanks for the advice and comments....Grateful to have y'all to guide me!
Pourme
Not much to fiddle with.
First make sure the orange plastic coin trigger in the coin hopper is pushed down.
Connect the green and red wires coming out of the phone to the phone line.
Try making a call.
If you push a button and don't get any tones, reverse the red and green connections to the phone line.
Those payphones were polarity sensitive.
Stan S.
Interesting....will do...I'll report back tomorrow....concerned about getting keys for it....
Keys are available for the top lock: If it's a Northern Electric lock, then a 21B key should open it.
The vault doors have serial numbers and different keys for each lock. You may have to remove the vault door lock from the back, by removing the back of the phone. Then it can be replaced with a Northern Elec. or Western Electric vault door lock and matching key, available for about $15.
Good morning gents.
I need your assistance. A friend gave me a very nice NE 2236 QC payphone. The chrome came up like new when polished. OK, the phone technology inside was bunged up to make it work like a normal house phone. My project is to get it working just like it did when it came from the factory. I am now looking for parts. I need the coin hopper with relay and paddle (to the vault or return), I need the coin relay a the top of the phone too.
It is hard to find (or of these past few weeks) to locate either these Northern Electric or Western Electric parts. Are the Automatic Electric parts from the same era compatible with the NE 2236 phone? ...or to you have these NE parts that I may buy from you.
I really appreciate your help.
Joseph
AE parts will not help you with a Northern paystation.Some WE parts will interchange
Thank you. I appreciate your help! I will look then for NE parts and WE parts.
Have a great day.
Joseph
Hi guys,
I need to get some parts for my really cool NE-2236 QC telephone. Do you know of a member who may have parts to rebuild the internal workings of my phone correctly? I need the hopper w/ solenoid, the coin solenoid (at the top of the phone). It also looks like two wires from the chime circuit have been cut too.
I really appreciate any help!
Joseph
Ron Knappen (PhoneCo) in Wisconsin has been selling the Northern 3 slot touchtone paystations for years. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a bunch of parts.
http://www.phonecoinc.com/
Quote from: Fabius on August 02, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
Ron Knappen (PhoneCo) in Wisconsin has been selling the Northern 3 slot touchtone paystations for years. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a bunch of parts.
http://www.phonecoinc.com/
Send an email Attention Mary regarding the parts you need. Mention you are a telephone collector .
JMO,
Jim S.
I don't intend to hijack this thread, but I'm working on an identical
NE pay phone and cannot find info about a component connected to the
relay. Keeping discussion in one place seems most likely to be
helpful to others later.
Below are pictures of this component as found in another NE-2236QC in
my collection. One of its wires connects to terminal 2 on the P-13E961
relay; the other two wires emanate from the D Sub connector block.
Even Mary at PhoneCo says that they have no knowledge of this
component, but I can see it in pictures I've found on-line of this
model pay phone.
I can locate no documentation about this phone although I did find a
reference to a relevant Northern Electric doc (510-500-450UT), but the
document itself remains elusive. Does anyone have this doc? And what
is this component? Does it have a more modern equivalent that might
substitute for it (although I'd much prefer to avoid that compromise)?
Mary can supply the relay, but I badly want a faithful restoration and
right now don't even know what name to use when searching for this part.
Thanks for anything helpful.
Looks like a ringer coil with possibly a magnetic reed switch inside.Possibly sensed ringing in
Rob, hope all is well with you.
Back to the question.
There is no modern equivalent for that part because that is the most modern part. It's a very sensitive reed relay.
That relay was added for 'dial tone first' operation in those payphones. The relay senses when a coin flips the coin trigger in the hopper.
If you don't want or need DTF just remove the assembly and wire the payphone using an old diagram. You probably won't find a diagram that shows that part to begin with.
Stan S.
Took some digging but I did find diagrams for both DTF and Coin First Northern NE2236QB and QC. Unfortunately they are copies of copies and not very clear. However, the DTF drawing shows the reed relay clearly.
Stan S.
I much appreciate this info. I'll switch the phone from DTF to coin-first, and with parts from PhoneCo, I'll have a complete phone that's also historically accurate.
I spent a long time going over the diagrams, and they supply just what I need, but I can't make out one spot in the coin-first diagram. The spot is circled in red in the picture below. Two terminals are being connected, but I can't quite see what's being done. Clarification would be welcome.
It's a 200 ohm resistor.
Wattage is probably 1/2 watt judging by the vintage of the phone and the other components.
Stan S.
These scans should be more useful.
Stan S.
The PDFs are a big improvement. Your help is much appreciated. Once the parts arrive, I can finish this project knowing what I need to know to do it right.
Thanks again.
My 2236 has issues as well. When I tackle it, these diagrams will come in handy...thanks for posting!
Benny
I'm having a devil of a time getting one I bought from that store and Wisconsin to work. I'm pulling out the coin relay and other parts and I just want to install a touch tone pad, network, and ringer from a newer 2500/2554 phone. Does that sound like something easy to do? I've had it two years and I'm tired of looking at a paperweight!