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Telephone Talk => Auction Talk => Topic started by: LarryInMichigan on July 14, 2010, 08:39:28 PM

Title: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 14, 2010, 08:39:28 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250663886741 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250663886741)

I was expecting this to go for much more.  I guess that the lack of a dial held the price down.  I hope that this is an original 1930s SC.


Larry

Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1198(?)
Post by: Dennis Markham on July 14, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
Cool phone, Larry.  I think you got a great deal.  Congrats.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1198(?)
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 14, 2010, 10:08:53 PM
I think that this may be an 1191 which has a built-in network and ringer.

Larry

Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191(?)
Post by: Dennis Markham on July 14, 2010, 10:12:35 PM
Sure looks like it.  Great deal.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191(?)
Post by: JorgeAmely on July 15, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
Just what I thought, Losantville, IN is close to the border with Michigan.  >:(
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191(?)
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 15, 2010, 06:24:46 AM
QuoteJust what I thought, Losantville, IN is close to the border with Michigan.

Jorge,

Why don't you come to live here in Michigan?  Houses in my neighborhood have been selling in the $50-$60K range.

BTW, several of my best phones came from California.


Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 19, 2010, 12:43:47 PM
The phone arrived today.  It is an SC 1191.  It is mostly in great condition but quite dirty, dusty, and rusty, and it contains the remains of some antique arachnids (Briny, I can send them to you if you give me your address ;D).  I connected it, but I get no dial tone, though it does take the line off-hook.  The caps on the handset are quite stuck.  It looks like I now have another fun project to do.

Here are pictures of the inside of the shell and the wiring diagram inside the bottom cover.  Once everything is clean and working, i may post more pictures.

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/LarryinMichigan/SC1191/Inside.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/LarryinMichigan/SC1191/Diagram.jpg)


Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 19, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
One really interesting thing about this phone is that the round metal piece which covers the opening where one would expect a dial to be is actually the gong for the ringer.


Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: McHeath on July 19, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
Neat phone.  I've not seen anything like it, they sure packed in the components.  And the dial blank is the gong, that's clever.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: paul-f on July 19, 2010, 11:04:34 PM
Nice!

I don't think you'll find many other phones where the ringer gong is also the number card holder!
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 25, 2010, 01:25:50 PM
I finished fixing, cleaning, polishing, and reassembling the phone, and it works surprisingly well now.  There was alot of rust in the receiver capsule, and one of the wires to the coil was broken.  I soaked the rusty parts in CLR and brushed off the rust with an old toothbrush.  The diaphragm was especially rusty, and after the rust was removed, small holes were left so I can see through it.  I had to partially unwind one of the ends of the receiver coil and resolder it.  Here is a blurry picture of the back of the ringer.  The clapper strikes the tab which sticks out from the gong.

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/LarryinMichigan/SC1191/Ringer.jpg)


Another one of these phones, in worse condition, sold on ebay today for somewhat more: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130411597040 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130411597040)

Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: Kenny C on July 25, 2010, 08:47:14 PM
did you say this phone was from the 1930's if so it pretty advanced for its time didnt most desksets have external ringers in the 1930's
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 25, 2010, 09:53:59 PM
Kenny,

Stromberg Carlson did not date stamp their phones back then, so I do not know the date the this one was made, but it does appear in the 1936 Stromberg Carlson catalog, and the image with the description posted above is from 1936.  Most phones at that time, including all Western Electric models, did require an external subset.  Check out http://strombergcarlsontelephone.com/S-C%20PDF/1936%20S-C%20BUL%2036-J.pdf (http://strombergcarlsontelephone.com/S-C%20PDF/1936%20S-C%20BUL%2036-J.pdf) if you are interested.  This phone is shown on pages 11 and 12 of the document.

Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: bingster on August 07, 2010, 07:21:12 AM
Larry, have you heard it ring yet?  I'm curious as to what sort of sound it makes.  I'd think that with the dial blank fastened to the base, it wouldn't make a "ring" sound like a free gong would.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191(?)
Post by: Dan/Panther on August 07, 2010, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: JorgeAmely on July 15, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
Just what I thought, Losantville, IN is close to the border with Michigan.  >:(

Jorgew;
Ditto that  >:(
Nice phone however..
D/P
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on August 07, 2010, 10:47:25 PM
Bingster,

It does ring well, but the sound is not quite as nice as a dual-gong ringer.  The gong is not actually fastened to the base. It is held by a post in its center to a bracket which is held to the shell with two screws and to which the ringer coils are attached.  This drawing from 1936 the SC bulletin shows the construction.

Larry

Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: bingster on August 08, 2010, 09:57:10 AM
Ahh, that makes sense.  That's rather an ingenious little feature.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: AE_Collector on August 08, 2010, 03:32:27 PM
Quote from: Kennyc1955 on July 25, 2010, 08:47:14 PM
did you say this phone was from the 1930's if so it pretty advanced for its time didnt most desksets have external ringers in the 1930's

AE's first "self contained" set was the AE#2 from app 1928. I think that discussions on other lists came to the conclusion that the AE #2 was likely North America's first self contained desk phone.

When was the 302 introduced...1934?

Terry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: Kenny C on August 08, 2010, 03:36:41 PM
1937 was the first year of production.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: AE_Collector on August 08, 2010, 03:44:57 PM
Quote from: Kennyc1955 on August 08, 2010, 03:36:41 PM
1937 was the first year of production.

Okay, so WECo was quite behid AECo at that time. The self contained AE 2 was about 1928 and then the AE 34 came out about 1934. Then the WECo 302 finally in 1937 and AECo had the AE 34 upgraded to the AE 40 by 1939.

Terry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: Wallphone on August 30, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
I finally got around to finding my SC "dial ringer" and testing it. It kind of surprised me as to how well it sounded. It has a nice after ring to it. I'm hoping my attachment of a wav. file works. Here goes it.
Dougpav
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: Dennis Markham on August 30, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
Doug, your wav file sounds good on this end.  Great ring.
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on August 30, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
Doug,

It sounds fine here.  The ringer does sound good, just a bit flatter than a dual-gong ringer.

Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191(?)
Post by: JorgeAmely on August 31, 2010, 12:30:37 AM
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on July 15, 2010, 06:24:46 AM
QuoteJust what I thought, Losantville, IN is close to the border with Michigan.

Jorge,

Why don't you come to live here in Michigan?  Houses in my neighborhood have been selling in the $50-$60K range.

BTW, several of my best phones came from California.


Larry

I would face too much competition from you, Dennis, Donna, Craig and a few others from MI.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: LarryInMichigan on August 31, 2010, 09:37:15 AM
I frequently see good phones on craigslist in and around Simi Valley, CA.  There are rarely any good craigslist phones in southeastern MI.

Larry
Title: Re: I Just Won a Stromberg Carlson 1191 - Pictures Added
Post by: Doug Rose on February 08, 2015, 10:49:05 AM
Larry....that's it! What a different phone....Doug