Original or Reproduction? Western Electrics Model 102

[ChristmasGuy]

Greetings All! This is my Western Electric 102 phone (B1). I was just wondering if you guys can tell me if this looks to be an original or a Repro. The seller I bought this from said that he restored it many years ago. I believe the receiver is a newer version and most of the cords were replaced, and to my knoledge the bottom felt was also replaced by the guy. The Dial card is a fake. But Im not sure of the shell. It's what Im mostly concerned of. Any help provided would be wonderful. Also this phone does not work I believe something is wrong from the way its wired to the ringer box. Have a wonderful day and Adoo! ~JS

[ChristmasGuy]

Darn it. I did it once again put this under the wrong topic, should have been under Deskphones. I swear I am not doing this on purpose . I'll get it one day  

[RB]

No worries.
The over lords will fix it.
Do you have the schematic for that phone?
Very nice, by the way!

[ChristmasGuy]

Haha! Overlords lol. I wish I had the Schematic, all I can find are the configs for the 202 lol.

[RB]

can you post a pic of inside of bell box?
may help

[ChristmasGuy]

The Ringerbox goes to a Candlestick, not original to a phone of this time period
Sorry

[RB]

So, you have a phone without a ringer box, and a Ringer box without a candle?
I bet their close tho?

[poplar1]

It is not a repro.

If the ringer box is a 534A, then it could have been used with a 102 B1 (round) or 102 D1 (oval). The B1 was introduced circa 1927-28, and the smaller subsets with Bakelite covers (584A/684A) would not appear until about 1930-31.

Would help to show the inside of the subset to determine the actual model.

[Sargeguy]

The phone is original.  The subset looks correct.

[TelePlay]

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Haha! Overlords lol.

The Over Lords have deemed the topic worthy and proper of movement and has been made so . . .

[RB]

Too Funny!!!

[ChristmasGuy]

It is not a repro.

If the ringer box is a 534A, then it could have been used with a 102 B1 (round) or 102 D1 (oval). The B1 was introduced circa 1927-28, and the smaller subsets with Bakelite covers (584A/684A) would not appear until about 1930-31.

Would help to show the inside of the subset to determine the actual model.

Here is the subset! I do not know of the model, I forget what the seller listed it as.

[paul-f]

I wish I had the Schematic, ...

Look here:
   https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/wiring-diagrams/western-electric/abcde-mountings

There are also BSPs with more info on both mountings and subsets in the Library.

[Scott]

To Teleplay... FUNNY!

Scott K.

[poplar1]

Jack, your photo shows a 534A. The black wire from the B1 is not used. (It appears to be connected to a spare terminal in the subset.)

You can connect the 51-AL the same way as the B1:
Red to R
Green to GN
Yellow to Y-L2

This is a sidetone subset, which permits connecting one phone -- or several phones -- to the same subset.