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Telephone Talk => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: Dennis Markham on April 27, 2010, 07:06:50 PM

Title: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dennis Markham on April 27, 2010, 07:06:50 PM
While working on an E1 handset today I noticed a small red star on the transmitter end.  I've not cleaned a lot of E1's but never saw this before.  Can anyone enlighten me?

It's a Western Electric, circa 1935.
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Phonesrfun on April 27, 2010, 09:41:55 PM
Maybe it's like a golden ticket.  You just won the Willie Wonka Chocolate Factory Sweepstakes.

Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: JorgeAmely on April 27, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
Dennis:

You just found a very rare phone sold by WE to the Soviet Union. You didn't know about this?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dennis Markham on April 27, 2010, 10:17:23 PM
I thought maybe it was made to use at a Texaco gasoline station.  I guess I have the peanut gallery stumped so far.
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Jim Stettler on April 27, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
You can trust your call to the phone that wears the star.
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 27, 2010, 11:48:27 PM
Based on seeing the star in two other instances, I'm going to stick my neck out and say, I'll guess it's property of Illinois Bell.
D/P
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dennis Markham on April 27, 2010, 11:58:48 PM
I don't recall seeing a red star before on any of the W.E. sets (or any for that matter).  But that could be Dan.  Did Illinois Bell put red stars on their stuff?
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: McHeath on April 28, 2010, 12:06:50 AM
1935, hmm, I think you have a Lenin special issue E1 handset, sold in limited numbers to the Leningrad phone company as part of a little known deal where Bell was trying to expand it's sales into foreign markets.  Ultimately it failed when the Soviets hijacked the design and produced 750 million copies, none of which actually worked as the bakelite was made from leaves and brittle and the handsets all snapped in two upon use.  The Soviets ended up using the mountain of handsets as awards for collective farmers who exceeded their quota of wheat production for two months running.  Since none of the collective farms had phone service until the late 60's the handsets mostly ended up being used as potato scrapers, goat milking aids, and veggie strainers.  

Or something like that... ;)
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: JorgeAmely on April 28, 2010, 12:16:08 AM
McHeath:

I believe you are right. I read it on the internet.

Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 28, 2010, 12:20:58 AM
I have only seen it three times, on 500 sets, but a small star was embossed on the bottom of the set, and all 3 were Illinois bell property, I've never seen the star on any other of my 500 sets. I know that's a stretch, but Like I said, It's purely a wild guess based on 3 instances.
I have the sets packed away, I'm slowly converting to my numbered box system, I'll skip through a few boxes tomorrow to see if the handsets might have a red star.
Neither of my E1 have the star.

D/P
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 28, 2010, 12:24:27 AM
Dennis;
I'd go with Heaths explanation. Didn't they use the spit cups for vodka shot glasses
D/P
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: rp2813 on April 29, 2010, 05:52:28 PM
I wonder if the red star means the same thing as this blue star?
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dennis Markham on April 29, 2010, 09:11:41 PM
Interesting Ralph.  What's the date on that capacitor?  Is that thing from 1930???
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: JorgeAmely on April 29, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
I can faintly see a 29 there.

PS: D/P, I was referring to the capacitor, right in the center of the assembly.
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: rp2813 on April 29, 2010, 11:17:17 PM
D/P, I think Dennis was asking about the information on the capacitor in the center, but you are correct with OCT 30 followed by the blue star.

The capacitor info reads:

129A
PAT APP
FOR IN USA

There is no other date on this transmitter other than the 10/30 as far as I know. 

Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dennis Markham on April 29, 2010, 11:21:45 PM
Dan, I see the Oct 30, I was talking about the capacitor.  Now that Jorge mentioned it, I can see the faint 29 there too.  It probably has IV 29 which would be the last quarter of 1929.  That's an old one.
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 29, 2010, 11:42:07 PM
Sorry, maybe this will redeem me.
D/P
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: rp2813 on April 30, 2010, 12:15:01 PM
You guys must be seeing a "29" that I can't, even with the transmitter right in front of me!  I see "129A" but that's it.
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: benhutcherson on April 30, 2010, 12:43:12 PM
I've seen a star on the receiver end, but not on the transmitter end.
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 30, 2010, 01:20:39 PM
Ralph did you see my enlarged enhanced photo of the writing on the capacitor above ? I also see 129A. Also it appears to say I 33, or I35. My two say 129A followed by I-36, the other III-33.
D/P
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dennis Markham on April 30, 2010, 02:12:26 PM
Well Ralph, that answers that.  It's a 129A capacitor.  I just wondered if the capacitor date confirmed or was consistent with the date stamped on the transmitter piece.
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 30, 2010, 02:57:07 PM
I used the computer to best match the colors so It could highlight the words and letters as close as possible. The photo is a close up of my cap. I selected the color that showed the most writing in the drawing, then asked it to match all like colors in the immediate vicinity. the top portion of the 36 was already very clear, so it just picked up the colors that matched in the brighter area.


D/P
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: rp2813 on April 30, 2010, 03:50:01 PM
I guess maybe my transmitter is an early type before they started dating them the way D/P's are.

Interesting that yours are dated 36, D/P, as I have an F1 from 5/36, which would be II/36 on a 129A.  Did they overlap production of both types?  I would think they would have stopped making 129A's as soon as the F1's were in production since the F1 really brought things up to standards of even modern day carbon transmitters.
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: rp2813 on May 01, 2010, 08:18:39 AM
So getting back to the original question, does anyone know what these stars mean?
Title: Re: E1 Hanset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: AET on May 03, 2010, 03:45:40 AM
The big red Texaco star?

Quote from: Jim S. on April 27, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
You can trust your call to the phone that wears the star.
Title: Re: E1 Handset - Red Star - Has Anyone Seen One Before???
Post by: Dan/Panther on May 05, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
This may not have anything to do with the E1 handset, but here is part of a BSP for the F-1 handset I found.
D/P