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Telephone Talk => Candlestick Phones => Topic started by: axil on November 27, 2012, 12:11:12 PM

Title: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
I have this reproduction bonnie & clyde series candle stick phone and everything works fine except the ringer.
Does anyone have any idea on how or what the problem might be?

(http://www.umx.ca/images-1/can-1a.png)
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: Owain on November 27, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
Are you sure it has a ringer? Many of the candlesticks don't as there isn't enough room.
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 01:33:26 PM
from what I read the ring is not a bell ringing type, but rather a more ticking / click-clack electronic sound.
thx dave
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 27, 2012, 01:40:15 PM
Dave:

Get us a picture of the inside of the base. Someone wil lbe able to recognize if there is an "Alerter" (Nortel name for a non mechanical ringer) in there.

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
here's a pic: (http://www.umx.ca/images-1/can-base-sm.jpg)

For a larger version click here: http://www.umx.ca/images-1/can-base.jpg
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 27, 2012, 02:17:08 PM
Nothing there that is obvious to me as a noise maker. Unless there is something under the metal plate to the laft side of the picture, between the circuit board and the big induction coil. Maybe someone else is more familiar with this phone, there are lots of them around.

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 27, 2012, 02:17:08 PM
Nothing there that is obvious to me as a noise maker. Unless there is something under the metal plate to the laft side of the picture, between the circuit board and the big induction coil. Maybe someone else is more familiar with this phone, there are lots of them around.

Terry

thx Terry

here's what is under the metal.

(http://www.umx.ca/images-1/can-base-22.jpg)
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 27, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Hard to say for sure but from what I can see it could easily be a coil for a buzzer. Are there 2 wires connected to the coil somewhere?

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 27, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Hard to say for sure but from what I can see it could easily be a coil for a buzzer. Are there 2 wires connected to the coil somewhere?

Terry

yes on the top 2 black wires
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 27, 2012, 03:29:22 PM
Looks like the end of the coil to the left side in the picture is mounted via a piece spring steel so that it can move. The coil attracts and releases the end plate casuing a buzzing or vibrating noise when AC ringing voltage is present. Now all that we have t odo is figure why it isn't doing anything! With the phone connected to a ringing phone line and your finger carefully on the end plate of the buzzer, do you feel any attempt at movement?

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 04:06:42 PM
I tried that and had no movement at all...here's another angle(pic), looks like a cylinder is being pushed in and out against a round plate which vibrates against another adjustable peice which hangs over when working.

(http://www.umx.ca/images-1/can-base-23.jpg)
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 27, 2012, 04:22:40 PM
That is a better angle. The plate on the right (armature) pulls in against the round centre post of the electromagnet when there is ringing voltage present. I would say that piece of metal sticking out to the far right is bent out too far. It should be holding the vibrating plate a lot closer but not touching to the centre post of the electromagnet. Give that a try.

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 04:45:19 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on November 27, 2012, 04:22:40 PM
That is a better angle. The plate on the right (armature) pulls in against the round centre post of the electromagnet when there is ringing voltage present. I would say that piece of metal sticking out to the far right is bent out too far. It should be holding the vibrating plate a lot closer but not touching to the centre post of the electromagnet. Give that a try.

Terry

tried that doesn't seem like ther is ringing voltage present??
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: Owain on November 27, 2012, 05:12:20 PM
where do the black wires go to at the other end? Is ringing (or any) voltage present? Can you test across the black wires (disconnected from anything else) for continuity?
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: HarrySmith on November 27, 2012, 05:32:08 PM
I agree the metal piece on the end is bent out of shape. It is hard to tell from that angle but there appears to be a slot in the other piece near the bottom it maybe is supposed to slip into?
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 27, 2012, 05:47:43 PM
What are you ringing it with? A "real" phone line, not a VOIP line

Do other phones with real bells ring on the line?

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 06:13:28 PM
using real line other phones are ringing on same line.
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: Phonesrfun on November 27, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Did it work before, and if so, what changed?
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on November 27, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Did it work before, and if so, what changed?

I obtained it about 6 months ago and i'm pretty sure I tested it then and it worked. So nothing changed other than sitting for 6 months. I do think someone else had it opened up as one of the screws was loose.

thx dave
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 27, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: HarrySmith on November 27, 2012, 05:32:08 PM
I agree the metal piece on the end is bent out of shape. It is hard to tell from that angle but there appears to be a slot in the other piece near the bottom it maybe is supposed to slip into?

Hi Harry if you are referring to the round plate in the middle there is no slot on it.
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: stub on November 27, 2012, 11:36:02 PM
axil,
      Clean out the air gap between the plate and round center post of the electromagnet  on reply # 10.  It looks like something is stuck there ( redneck ringer cutoff) ;D.  Hope this helps.  stub
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 28, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: stub on November 27, 2012, 11:36:02 PM
axil,
      Clean out the air gap between the plate and round center post of the electromagnet  on reply # 10.  It looks like something is stuck there ( redneck ringer cutoff) ;D.  Hope this helps.  stub

Thx stub I will do that when I get back home tonight. It does look like a felt pad(or something) so I thought it might belong there.
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: AE_Collector on November 28, 2012, 10:22:04 AM
Good eyes Stub. I couldn't see that. If so, someone "turned the ringer off" by bending the backstop and putting a piece of felt in there".

Terry
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: stub on November 28, 2012, 02:05:04 PM
Terry,
         I like your new avatar even if it is just paint!
 axil ,
        If it works, after trash removal , you may have to bend the stop back down so the clapper can strike it to make some noise . stub
Title: Re: repro candle stick ringer not working??
Post by: axil on November 28, 2012, 08:58:18 PM
well it looks like its going to work. :)
I just need to re-solder some loose wires.
Thx for all your help guys. I just got an education on these repros.  ;D

dave