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Title: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 07, 2011, 10:14:37 PM
Hi Everyone
I am posting some pictures of a Turquoise wall phone I just picked up on E-bay.  It is an amazing transformation with a product I found in the Pharmacy in the hair dye section.  It is called "White Magic." It contains 30% peroxide.  
The Beauty Hair Supply Store would not sell me any professional grade peroxide without a hairdressing licence.  She did however suggest that I go to the Pharmacy and purchase a hair dye, and take the bottle of peroxide out of a hair dye kit.  I didn't have to do that, as when I got to the Pharmacy, there was a 100ml. bottle of 30% grade peroxide called "White Magic."  It is like a liquid paste, so I didn't have to mix it with anything.  The cost? $1.99
Check this out.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on April 08, 2011, 04:31:28 AM
More details on your process.  How thick did you apply it, how long did you leave it on, did you put it under a light?  BTW, some beauty supply places will sell to the general public.  Around here it's Sally's Beauty Supply stores.  I also wonder if the cream version of peroxide is the same thing.  Does it list any other ingredients on the bottle?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 08, 2011, 12:28:24 PM
The product has the consistency of a creme rinse.  I put it in the sun for 4 hours (inside the house  right beside my patio door).  I didn't mix anything with it.  The ingredients are listed in this order: water, 30%peroxide,cetyl alcohol, steatryl alcohol, sodium lauryl, sulfate, celeareth 5, sodium stannate, and phosphoric acid.
Just a light coat, brushed on with a paint brush.  Then, use a tooth brush to swirl it lightly, this evens it out.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on April 08, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: 11furby11 on April 08, 2011, 12:28:24 PM
The product has the consistancy of a creame rinse.  I put it in the sun for 4 hours (inside the house  right beside my padio door).  I didn't mix anything with it.  The ingredients are listed inthis order: water, 30%peroxide,cetyl alcohol, steatryl alcohol, sodium lauryl, sulfate, celeareth 5, sodium stannate, and phosphoric acid.

A lot more ingredients than the clear peroxide.  Maybe the cream version is different, but the clear 40% only lists water, peroxide, and phosphoric acid.  Did it dry out at all during the time in the sun?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 08, 2011, 08:57:03 PM
I had it in the morning sun, so it stayed a bit greasy.  Once and a while, I took a soft damp toothbrush and just swirled the formula around lightly.  Other than that, it was the sun and the product.  I am going to do another one next week. 
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on April 09, 2011, 05:01:13 AM
Quote from: 11furby11 on April 08, 2011, 08:57:03 PM
I had it in the morning sun, so it stayed a bit greasy.  Once and a while, I took a soft damp toothbrush and just swirled the formula around lightly.  Other than that, it was the sun and the product.  I am going to do another one next week.  

Take pics of each stage of the process.  Retro-bright has been proven that it doesn't work well with colors, and many people (like me) detest sanding, so you may have stumbled on to something if it works as well with your other phone too.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 09, 2011, 07:45:13 PM
Hi
I didn't get your e-mail in time, I did the other turquoise phone, and the results are great!!  The phone was a teal green with the dial and ear pieces a turquiose blue.  Check this out.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 09, 2011, 08:07:39 PM
I put some of the "White Magic" product on in a couple of places where it still showed a bit of a greeny colour. This time I just put it on, and didn't swirl it gently with a tooth brush. That was a bit of a mistake, because the brush I used to apply it had wide bristles, so my formula didn't go on as evenly as last time.  Thus some greeny streaks.  It is better to apply it with a brush, and then lightly massage it in with a fine toothbrush.  This evens the formula out smoothly.  I reapplied more of the stuff where there were streaks.   As you can see, the consistency is like a hair creme rinse.  
Seriously, cheap and easy.  Just wear rubber gloves because this crap will cause your skin to turn white, and it burns if you don't realize you got a bit on your skin by accident.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: DavePEI on April 09, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: 11furby11 on April 09, 2011, 08:07:39 PM
I put some of the "White Magic" product on in a couple of places where it still showed a bit of a greeny colour. T

Is there any maker information on the White Magic bottle? I ask because I did a Google search for it, and couldn't find what sounded anything like it. I kept coming up with results for tooth whitening products. What is its stated use?

Is it a bleach itself, or do you have to put powdered bleach in it?

Dave
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on April 09, 2011, 10:09:29 PM
More information about White Magic and where to find it would be appreciated.  I might want to try to smuggle a bottle back from Canada.

Larry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Ed D on April 09, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
Hey guys,

It's like the White Magic is nonexistent, Google brings up nothing.  Methinks this product is the same thing - available at Sally's Beauty Supply...

http://www.sallybeauty.com/30V-creme-developer/SLNCAR62,default,pd.html?cm_vc=SEARCH

All this seems to be is a 30 Volume Creme Developer.  The link is to a 4 ounce (118 ml) bottle.

It could work!

Ed
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on April 12, 2011, 02:58:29 AM
Quote from: Ed D on April 09, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
Hey guys,

It's like the White Magic is nonexistent, Google brings up nothing.  Methinks this product is the same thing - available at Sally's Beauty Supply...

http://www.sallybeauty.com/30V-creme-developer/SLNCAR62,default,pd.html?cm_vc=SEARCH

All this seems to be is a 30 Volume Creme Developer.  The link is to a 4 ounce (118 ml) bottle.

It could work!

Ed


I went by the SBS down the road from me today.  The peroxide cream version is not the same thing, the ingredients are different.  I asked if they carried White Magic, they did not.  I couldn't find it at Walgreen's either.  I have some time tomorrow, I'll go by SBS again and compare the ingredients of WM with the developer you found.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 17, 2011, 09:58:19 PM
Hi Guys
The "White Magic" is in the hair dye section, and yes, there is a powdered bleach that you add to it, IF you are doing streaks in your hair.  I just bought the peroxide part of it.  It is distributed by a company in Montreal, Quebec  called: "Besco Beauty Corp."  It comes in a 20 volume creme, and a 30 volume creme (this is the one I used).  As I said, I got it in a Pharmacy called "Pharmasave" for those of you close to the Canadian border.

I just did a "google" search, and Besco may be linked with "Keystone Labratories."  If this is the case, it seems to be distributed across the States and Canada.  Hope this helps.
Sherry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on April 18, 2011, 03:22:00 AM
I'll take another look when I'm in Walgreen or Bartell.  If I can't find it, I'm thinking of getting the 30% creme version of peroxide and experiment with it, but, I don't have a faded phone to do that with.  Maybe I'll find one at the upcoming phone show.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: stub on April 18, 2011, 08:37:25 AM
Sherry,
            :o That is a great job there ;D  I wish I had found out about this product before I started all that sanding. Keep up the good work.
             BTW how is the dial?    stub
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: 11furby11 on April 18, 2011, 10:49:17 AM
Hi Ken!!
Thank you!! The old phone you fixed is working like a charm.  Lots of nice comments from friends on it, and I always have a nice story to tell about the details of having it restored to function.

I read alot of information on peroxiding phones that other people from the forum had posted.  They were all so helpful, but the dilemma in Canada is purchasing professional hair products without a hair dressing licence.  I was going to buy a hair colouring kit, and steal the peroxide creme out of it, so it was just lucky that this product was sold by itself.  

I will be interested in the product that ED and Brinybay try.  I am guessing the results should come out the same.  It works best in direct sunlight (I had it in the house, in front of the patio door).  I spun the phone around once and a while to, I think it activates better and faster in the heat and light.  I think you have to make sure there is no bleach in the product either, because bleach will cause yellowing.

Also, when I did reapply the "White Magic" to the second phone, because I didn't apply it evenly to start with, it streaked.  The update is that reapplying it to thoses areas worked, and it ended up with an even colour in the end.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on April 18, 2011, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: 11furby11 on April 18, 2011, 10:49:17 AM

I read alot of information on peroxiding phones that other people from the forum had posted.  They were all so helpful, but the dilemma in Canada is purchasing professional hair products without a hair dressing licence.


Are you sure that's always the case?  There are beauty supply stores here that will only sell to licensed beauticians, but there are also places that are open to the public.  Sally's Beauty Supply is the one where I and others get peroxide.  Not sure if they're in Canada, but there may be something similar.

Quote from: 11furby11 on April 18, 2011, 10:49:17 AM

I will be interested in the product that ED and Brinybay try.  I am guessing the results should come out the same.  

I'm using a home-mixed formula called "retro-bright".  It's a mixture of peroxide and Oxiclean.  It's been proven effective on white phones, but does NOT do well on colored phones, hence my interest in what you found.  It took 4 treatments at full strength 40% (no water mixed in) to get a badly yellowed white phone back to it's original white, or very close to it.

Here's a link to the retro-bright process.  I did not use the specific name brands.  I used Oxiclean and regular cornstarch that I had on hand.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1146.0 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1146.0)
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: AE_Collector on April 18, 2011, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: stub1953 on April 18, 2011, 08:37:25 AM
Sherry,
           :o That is a great job there ;D  I wish I had found out about this product before I started all that sanding.
stub

Speaking of sanding....how is the 880 doing? If you've given up on it, want a TC 95 panel in exchange for it?

Terry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on May 12, 2011, 04:33:15 PM
I stopped at a Sally Beauty Supply store yesterday and bought a bottle of "40 Volume Creme Developer".  The sales clerk was a bit confused when she asked me why I wanted it, and I said to remove discoloration from plastic.  I experimented with it a bit today, and I am really amazed at the results.  I smeared some of the product onto a couple of very badly discolored phones and left them outside for a few hours.  I didn't know if I should cover them, so I left them uncovered.  When i went back to check, most of the product had evaporated, but where the product remained, the color of the plastic had changed dramatically.  Below is a picture of a badly discolored beige Ericofon shell showing blotches where the discoloration was removed.  The real trick is going to be in keeping the surfaces properly covered with product.

BTW, I had expected the stuff to be smelly and nasty, but it has no smell and does not feel caustic.  They also had "50 volume", but the 40 was the highest strength that one is allowed to buy without a professional license.

Larry

Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Dennis Markham on May 12, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
Thanks for the info Larry.  I think someone used an old fish tank and then covered it with plastic wrap, like Saranwrap to keep the moisture inside.  Perhaps that would help.  Did you use it full strength?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on May 12, 2011, 04:50:44 PM
I placed three phone shells into a clear plastic bag and put them back outside.  I don't have a fish tank, so I will have to think of ways to improvise.  I did use the product full-strength.  Diluting it with water would make it runny.  It is designed to be a creme so that it will stay in one's hair.

Larry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Ed D on May 12, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
Larry,

Did you add anything to this, or use it straight out of the bottle?

Ed
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: JorgeAmely on May 12, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on May 12, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
Thanks for the info Larry.  I think someone used an old fish tank and then covered it with plastic wrap, like Saranwrap to keep the moisture inside.  Perhaps that would help.  Did you use it full strength?

That would be fishlover. He used to post pictures of his beautiful phone collection many months ago. Last I heard he joined a merchant ship in a worldwide fishing expedition. They departed from Texas I believe.

Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: GG on May 13, 2011, 01:46:51 AM


Cheap fish tank substitute, with a bonus:

Grocery store bakeries e.g. Safeway, often sell rectangular cakes that are just about phone-sized, in plastic boxes that consist of black bases with clear rectangular plastic domes over the top. 

After you eat the cake, peel the labels off the box, scrub it out with dish soap & water, and you have a perfect enclosure for a phone housing that's slathered in peroxide goop.  You'll need another one for the handset & caps, and another for the dial numberplate and misc small parts such as the handgrip cover from the housing. 

Turned upside down, these also make decent "project tubs" where you can put all the parts of something you're working on, and stack 'em on your workbench. 

The bonus of course, is that you can indulge your taste for bakery goods before converting the box to other uses. 

If you want to score a bunch of these all at once and baked goods aren't your thing, you could try asking the person in charge of the bakery department if you could arrange to directly buy a dozen or however-many of those boxes.  Or you could go looking online for "baked goods packaging" or some such, and see about getting them from the manufacturer or wholesale outlet. 
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: finlover on May 13, 2011, 06:16:24 AM
Quote from: JorgeAmely on May 12, 2011, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on May 12, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
Thanks for the info Larry.  I think someone used an old fish tank and then covered it with plastic wrap, like Saranwrap to keep the moisture inside.  Perhaps that would help.  Did you use it full strength?
That would be fishlover. He used to post pictures of his beautiful phone collection many months ago. Last I heard he joined a merchant ship in a worldwide fishing expedition. They departed from Texas I believe.

Yo ho ho and a bottle of peroxide!  I might try that creme developer.  In my experience, RetroBrite tends to go all watery in a couple of weeks.  Plus I wouldn't have to break out the blender.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on May 13, 2011, 06:44:05 AM
Quote from: Ed D on May 12, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
Larry,

Did you add anything to this, or use it straight out of the bottle?

Ed


Straight out of the bottle.  You might want to keep the bottle in a brown paper bag in case anyone is looking :D


Larry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on May 13, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: LarryInMichigan on May 12, 2011, 04:33:15 PM

BTW, I had expected the stuff to be smelly and nasty, but it has no smell and does not feel caustic.  They also had "50 volume", but the 40 was the highest strength that one is allowed to buy without a professional license.

Larry

It will burn a bit if you get it on you, not like sulferic acid, but you should be careful with it.  I use rubber gloves when handling it.  I was also surprised when I first made a batch of Retrobrite, I expected it to be nasty smelling, but it was odorless.  I remember my Mom and sisters used to use some sort of foul-smelling concoction in their hair, I thought it was peroxide, maybe it was something else.  But that was in the mid-60s, so maybe whatever it was is obsolete now.

Saran Wrap over the tub I put them in works, but SW is hard to handle, so I used 2-gallon zip lock bags.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Dewdrop on June 12, 2011, 02:51:43 PM
I gave this a try about two weeks ago. In my opinion it really helps in removing the fading on aqua colored phone parts.

Salon Care 30 Volume came from Sally Beauty Supply

• Cleaned the phone parts
• Used gloves
• Poured 30 Volume in a shallow container and started applying it to the parts using a small paintbrush
• After coating parts I placed them in clear salad tubs, placed lids on. Placed the tubs in the direct sun for about two hours. I checked on them about every 30 minutes.
• Brought them back in to rinse off with warm water, used a little Dawn, rinsed again and let dry

The plastic salad tubs can become warped from the sun's heat, but the phone parts did just fine.

Has anyone else used this product?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: TelePlay on June 12, 2011, 04:21:24 PM
No luck so far finding White Magik or an equivalent but did run across this very good tutorial on Peroxides, both liquid and creme, as hair care products.

     http://tinyurl.com/6596o66

Defines Volume measurements well.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: cihensley@aol.com on June 12, 2011, 06:25:10 PM
Dewdrop:

Yes, I have used both V30 and V40 for cords and the embossed areas on 500s and their handsets. After thoroughly cleaning the cord with the jsowers method, I place it in a zip-loc bag and pour in peroxide creme to cover. I apply the creme to the embossed areas of the shell and handset and cover loosely with foil or plastic wrap. I put all of the foregoing under a heat lamp (to warm, not heat) for about 5 hours. I then shut off the heat lamp and let everything stand overnight. I still micro-mesh sand the balance of the handset and shell because I have found it better at fully restoring the original color, and it removes scratches and nicks that the peroxide doesn't. The brand you showed in one of your photos I obtain from Amazon.

Chuck
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: TelePlay on June 12, 2011, 09:25:04 PM
So, is it heat alone that activates the chemical process or are there components of full spectrum sunlight, in addition to the warming IR, that enhance the activation of the chemical process?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: JimH on June 12, 2011, 11:37:49 PM
Do you think this will work on pink ABS?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Dewdrop on June 12, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
The phone parts I tried this on were dated mid 70s to early 80s.

Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Sargeguy on July 07, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
I tried it on a "Sea-Foam Green" Princess from the mid 70s with mixed results.  It did a fantastic job on the handset but in the process of removing the yellow cast it faded the body.  Also it seems that there were decals on the body at some point the residue of which (undetected prior to treatment) interfered with the process causing uneven results.  Before and after pics to follow.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: pa_bell1960 on July 22, 2011, 06:01:29 PM
Hi, Everyone,  Just picked up a bottle of the 40 volume creme develeper from Sally Beauty Supply, 32 oz bottle on sale,  $2.49.  What a deal. Going to give it a try over the weekend in 100 degree sunlight. Get it while it is on sale.  Oh by the way the lady at Sally said this is the same stuff as the White Magic. And cheaper.   Jim  Pa Bell
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on July 22, 2011, 06:04:09 PM
Don't forget to wear latex or vinyl gloves!
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: pa_bell1960 on July 29, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
Well for 2 weekends now I have been experimenting with the 40 volume creme on several parts of several different colors and I have to say I am most impressed with it, especially on white, ivory, aqua blue and turquoise.  I`ll post more pics but I wanted to show what I use to cook them in. I found these roasting pans at the Dollar General store for like 2 bucks each. They have a high lid on them and hold up under the hot TN summer sun. They work great. You can see the moisture builds up under the lid, but it does not fall onto the product. This 40 volume is just the right consistency to stay on. I let them stay out for about 2 hours and the results are amazing. More to come,  Jim
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on July 29, 2011, 11:45:57 PM
Quote from: pa_bell1960 on July 29, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
They ... hold up under the hot TN summer sun.




How hot is it?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Kenny C on July 29, 2011, 11:52:11 PM
QuoteHow hot is it?


Between 95-100 in my part of Tennessee
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: pa_bell1960 on July 30, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
About the same here in the northern part of TN.    Jim
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on July 30, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: Kenny C on July 29, 2011, 11:52:11 PM
QuoteHow hot is it?

Between 95-100 in my part of Tennessee

Reminds me of a Johnny Carson joke:  "It was so hot, I saw two trees fighting over a dog!"
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: AE_Collector on July 30, 2011, 08:49:20 PM
Heeerrrreeee's Johnny!
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on December 30, 2011, 12:28:01 AM
I'm going to try some of the White Magic soon.  GF is in Victoria BC visiting her folks, I asked her to get me some while she was there.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: AE_Collector on December 30, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Brinybay on December 30, 2011, 12:28:01 AM
I'm going to try some of the White Magic soon.  GF is in Victoria BC visiting her folks, I asked her to get me some while she was there.

Oh sure, leave us Canadians wondering about you Americans again. Your GF shows up at the beauty supply place in Victoria shopping for her boyfriend's Christmas present .....

Terry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on December 30, 2011, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: AE_collector on December 30, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: Brinybay on December 30, 2011, 12:28:01 AM
I'm going to try some of the White Magic soon.  GF is in Victoria BC visiting her folks, I asked her to get me some while she was there.

Oh sure, leave us Canadians wondering about you Americans again. Your GF shows up at the beauty supply place in Victoria shopping for her boyfriend's Christmas present .....

Terry


He he, took me a second to get it, lol!
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Charles on January 19, 2012, 09:11:07 AM
Has anyone tried this on dark colors? I have a black phone with badly yellowed numbers on the dial bezel. I would like to whiten up the numbers but I don't want to mess up the black surround.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on January 19, 2012, 09:51:33 AM
Charles,

I doubt that the peroxide would bleach the black plastic, but you can test it on the underside of the bezel first.

Larry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: alison on September 08, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
would this work on a soft plastic phone??
thanks
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on September 08, 2012, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: alison on September 08, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
would this work on a soft plastic phone??
thanks

Yes, it does work on soft plastic, but be careful not to overbleach.

Larry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Greg G. on November 20, 2012, 02:11:49 PM
I had some White Magic on hand that my wife got when she went to visit relatives in Canada last year (I can only find it in Canada).  I didn't specify which grade to get, so she got me a bottle each of 40, 30, and 20.  I was saving it for a colored phone, but thought I'd try it on a white phone.

I tried it on the receiver cap of my white AE 80 that I was preparing to treat with the home-brewed retrobrite.  I coated it with the 40, put it in a dish in a cake pan and left my work lamp on it overnight.  It seems to have worked pretty well, although I think I'll give it another dose.  I don't have enough to do the entire phone, so I'm just going to use it on the receiver cap so I can compare with the home-brewed retrobrite on the rest of the phone.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: HarrySmith on April 08, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
I just completed my third peroxide test. I did the Retrobrite, following instuctions, it worked well on the light phones but mixing it was a pain. I tried the 30 volume peroxide hair stuff in liquid which worked well but it was a pain to weight all the stuff down to keep it from floating and it took a lot to cover a phone case. I just picked up the creme one and it works great. I used a disposable paintbrush to dab the product on trying to keep it even, then put it out in the South Florida sun for about 5 hours. Pictures below. I was really surprised with the pink AE handset, neither piece is perfect but I may try another application.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: AE_Collector on April 08, 2013, 11:46:52 PM
WoW! Is that the 55 gallon size you have there Harry or just one gallon!

I like your oven (roof of the car)! Maybe for winter applications you should get a black car :)  Make sure you don't get any of that stuff on the car or it may not "restore color" like it does on phones!

Is that an ABS Pink AE handset? I thought it was usually the soft plastic Pink handsets that usually turned white like the before picture.

Terry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: HarrySmith on April 10, 2013, 08:21:40 PM
Only a gallon ;D

I think it is soft plastic, came off an old Starlite I got with my clear 2500, pics here:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=5579.0

By the way Terry, what is "Winter". It is always sunny here unless it is raining and even then there is sometimes sun.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: johnnyjt on May 21, 2013, 04:41:55 PM
Hi

Will Peroxide mixture work it a white bakelite?
I have a white 302 which has yellow areas.

Thank

JohnnyJT
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: HarrySmith on May 21, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
The 302 is not bakelite, it is tenite. I don't think anybody has tried one yet. Maybe dab a little on the inside to try it. Also the 302 is not "White" they are "Ivory" which is off white.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: LarryInMichigan on May 21, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
I have had some success removing discoloration with peroxide on ivory thermoplastic on a 354.  Use great care though.  It would be a shame to ruin one of those.

Larry
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Jim Stettler on May 22, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
Some people have had luck bleaching the white 302's and 354's. This was before "retrobrite" was developed.
I have never tried either.
Jim
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: gands-antiques on April 23, 2017, 09:55:52 PM
I've been removing the fading from a turquoise 554 wall phone casing and handset for a couple of days. I've been coating both parts with 40 volume cream and letting them sit in the sun for several hours. I didn't know about enclosing the parts in a container until I read this thread.

Anyway, the fading was finally removed from the casing and handset and when I brought them inside tonight I found a couple of places where the turquoise has lighter or white areas on both casing and handset.

Have I taken the 40 volume too far trying to remove all of the fading?  If so, is there anything that can be done to get the color back?

Thanks,
Gary
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: unbeldi on April 23, 2017, 10:57:16 PM
You mean the discoloration has been removed.
Fading happens when the plastic becomes white or grey or transparent when you bleach too much, after discoloration is gone.  The pastel colors are very susceptible to that.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on April 24, 2017, 06:34:46 PM
I have done that sometimes on heavily faded ABS.

Does it look like the plastic sort of became more pale, or are there 'wisps' of white in the plastic?

Usually, the wisps are created by peroxide staying in one place for too long on the plastic. The workaround for that would be to swish the peroxide around every 5 or 10 minutes. A more effective (but more expensive) way to avoid it would be to rinse the peroxide off every 5 or 10 minutes, and re-apply peroxide. I sometimes only apply peroxide to the areas that are still faded near the end of the peroxide treatment, to avoid going 'too far' on areas already fade-free.

Either way, you should be able to remove it by polishing with Novus or automotive compound. It won't be night and day difference immediately, but a few minutes of hand polishing should do the trick.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: gands-antiques on April 24, 2017, 09:45:23 PM
Thanks Christian...

The casing has the large lightened spot that is shown in the picture and the handset has a few smaller spots and a few lines that are lightened.

Do you recommend polishing with Novus #2 or #3 ?

Thanks again,
Gary
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: Jim Stettler on April 24, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: WEBellSystemChristian on April 24, 2017, 06:34:46 PM
I have done that sometimes on heavily faded ABS.

Does it look like the plastic sort of became more pale, or are there 'wisps' of white in the plastic?

Usually, the wisps are created by peroxide staying in one place for too long on the plastic. The workaround for that would be to either swish the peroxide around every 5 or 10 minutes. A more effective (but more expensive) way to avoid it would be to rinse the peroxide off every 5 or 10 minutes, and re-apply peroxide.

I wonder if an aquarium air pump and "bubble stone"  would work to keep it moving.
Another thought would be a water pump from a cheap table top (yard sale) fountain. stick it in the bowl and plug it in.

JMO,
Jim S.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: WEBellSystemChristian on April 25, 2017, 10:18:47 AM
I'm not very informed on Novus products; I've used Meguiar's Compound since the start. Whichever cuts better should work best.

The trick to moving the peroxide around is that none of the existing peroxide can stay in one place on the plastic for more than 5-10 minutes, but it has to stay in place long enough to remove fading. You have to sort of swirl the peroxide around on the plastic with your fingers.

I don't think it would work nearly as effectively if the peroxide were constantly moving; it needs to sit still long enough to remove fading. It's the same concept as sitting too long causes white marks.  Constantly moving peroxide would be like pulling up a plant and checking the roots constantly to make sure it's growing.

I would give the entire housing an all-over polish with the grittiest of the Novus products (#3?). I bet the entire housing has turned a little whiter than it should be.
Title: Re: Hair Product with Peroxide, Worked Great on Turquoise Phone
Post by: gands-antiques on April 25, 2017, 11:13:48 AM
Thanks, I'll give it a try.