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Sargeguy:
Western Elctric candlesticks typically have patent dates around the bottom of the stems. There are several types I have seen or have in my collection.  There is a general order in which they appear and they are associated with certain other parts that give a rough indication of age but these are not hard and fast rules.  Here is a brief list of the ones I know of:

Unmarked-The earliest type?  Typically found on "Hershey's Kiss" perch phones such as the TYPE 22 and the earliest 20-B phones among others(?) Can have either a cast metal (iron or pot metal) stem bolt or the newer type.  Can have either the "screw" shaft or the later types. Has either a hard-rubber grommet or crimped one.  The metal cord hole grommets are later. under some of these metal grommets there is a threaded hole for the earliest screw-in hard rubber grommets- the metal grommet being added later. There are a number of different configurations for seating the stem.

WESTERN ELECTRIC COMPANY-Generally found on early solid perch type candlesticks

WESTERN ELECTRIC COMPANY/PAT IN USA AUG 16 04 SEPT 13 04-Generally found on later solid perch candlesticks

WESTERN ELECTRIC COMPANY/PATENT APPD FOR/PAT IN USA AUG 16 04 SEPT 13 04-"PAT APPD FOR" refers to the 1915 patent.  Have seen examples in both black and nickel plate.

WESTERN ELECTRIC COMPANY/PAT IN USA AUG 16 04 SEPT 13 04 JAN 26 1915-Generally found on "drawn" perch candlesticks.  Member wds has a steel 40-AL with these dates

WESTERN ELECTRIC COMPANY/MADE IN USA/PAT IN USA JAN 26 1915-These are all steel with Bower-Barff finish.  I don't think these were made in brass.  Found on 40ALs

Sargeguy:
Early Types

88-C

The 88-C is found on the so-called Pacific Telephone "San Francisco Potbelly" manufactured in a joint venture by California Electrical Works and Western Electric.




Single-Piece Solid Perch a.k.a. "Hershey's Kiss"

There were earlier examples of desk stands but the Western Electric TYPE 22 was the first candlestick mass-produced by Western Electric to have the classic candlestick shape.  Here are a few examples from the collection:








The TYPE 22/20-B/20-PC-Some of these early phones had a long career.  This one started as a TYPE 22, then was re-designated a 20-B, then finally a 20-PC.  I had another example marked "20-AL" in a similar fashion. 


This example from eBay appears to be a 51-AL with a single-piece solid perch.



Some had no markings.  These are often found on candlesticks from smaller manufacturers who used WE parts.



They came in black as well.



Early 20-Bs also featured this style







Here is an interesting example of a 20-S that featured a "PATENT PENDING" patent mark.  It was re-stamped once the patent was approved.  20-S is obliterated, then stamped again on the front of the perch.

Sargeguy:
Two-Piece Solid Perches (in progress)


The two piece solid perch is made of two seperate pieces that screw together.  They usually are associated with the nickel-plated desk stands of the Pre-WWI era and bear markings such as 20-B, 20-S and so on.  At this time the Interphone market was taking off for Western Electric, and so there is a huge variety of model numbers found on solid perches, compared to later and earliar phones.  Here is a solid perch 151AL:



Solid perches have the hook attached by a pin through the base of the perch, and the plate attaches by two screws. 



Drawn Perches have the hook attached to the plate, and the plate is attached to the perch via two screws.

Sargeguy:
Drawn Perches (in progress)

The "drawn" style perch is made from a single piece of brass folded into a perch.  The inside of the perch is hollow compared to earliar perches.  This style was manufactured for the longest period of any perch type, starting at the beginning of WWI and continuing until WWII (they were issued if not actually manufactured).  Phones with this style almost always came in black, notable exceptions beuing the 20-PC (nickel) and the 40-AL (Bower-Barff).  Models included the 20-AL, 40-AL, 50-AL and 151AL.  

Sargeguy:
This is intended to be a comprehensive list of Western Electric perch markings beginning with the TYPE 21 "Erie" and ending with the 151-AL.  Most of the information contained herein is from the Western Electric 1908 and 1916 catalogs, the TCI wiring diagrams library,  although some information is taken from online auction records, posts on this forum, and my personal collection.  ***Please note that I use the terms "Single-Piece Solid Perch" and "Two-Piece Solid Perch" to describe the two types of solid perches.  The term "Hershey's Kiss" is not descriptive enough and is often misapplied, especially since a drawn perch looks more like a Hershey's kiss than what I refer to as the "Single-Piece Solid Perch"

Single-Piece Solid a.k.a."Hershey's Kiss" Perch

21:  "Erie" model candlestick

22:  Appeared on Single-Piece Solid Perch type candlesticks.  The 22 marking is often obliterated/XXX'd out and re-marked as a 20-B or even a 20-AL
Finish: Nickel or Black
Transmitter:7-digit or later
Receiver:  122-W

20-A:  Found a horizontally mounted sticks used on repair boards.  Has rounded "ears" and a hole through the perches "skirt".



20-B:  For regular local battery bridging or central battery service:             
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter: 229w, *229* or 7-digit
Receiver: 122-W
Cord: 234


The 20-B designation appeared on "Hershey's Kiss" and "Solid Perch" type candlesticks.  Early versions had patent dates, later versions did not.

20=Single-Piece Solid Type.  Maybe intended to have a letter designation?  Here is an example of a 20-S that was XXX'd out and redesignated 20-AL:





Single-Piece Solid types were recycled throughout the candlestick era.  In addition to the the 20-AL, I have one marked as a 20-PC.


Two-Piece Perch Types:

The following phones are usually nickel plated.  They were available in the 1908 catalog with or without transmitter, receiver and cords. Most of the designations listed below are for Interphone service. 

20-B (see above)



Some 20-Bs appear to have had a Japanned Black finish applied and were supplied as cheaper alternatives to newer deskstands for installation in Interphone Systems.  The 1916 Telephone Apparatus Catalog seems to have them.

20-C:  Operatorís telephone set with cordless private exchange. 
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter: 229w
Receiver: 122-W
Cord: 293

20-F: Central battery service, used with No.7 coin collector
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter: 229w
Receiver: 122-W
Cord: 232

20-H: Interphone
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter: 229w
Receiver: 122-W
Cord: 289

20-J: operatorís telephone set.  No switchhook
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter: 229w
Receiver: 128-W
Cord: 6ft. No. 178 cord, 6ft. No. 10 cord, 9 in. No. 179 cord.

20-M: Central battery service w/ transmitter cut-out button
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter: 229w
Receiver: 122-W
Cord: 234

20-P: Local battery bridging or central battery service
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:269w or 271w
Receiver: 122-W
Cord: 331

20-R: 
Finish:
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:

20-S: For regular local battery bridging or central battery service:             
Finish: Black
Transmitter: 229w, *229* or 7-digit
Receiver: 122-W
Cord:

20-T:  Interphone. 
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:369
Receiver:



The model 20-T appears to be variable.  I have had examples with patent dates and without.  I have seen examples on the internet with call buttons on the base.  One of mine had a small 269 transmitter, the other had a 229w.  A search of auctions turns up one with a 302w transmitter and 122 receiver.

40-G:  Handheld with a shortened "Hershey's Kiss" perch
Finish: Black
Transmitter:229
Receiver:
Cord:

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"SP" Desk stands.  These are desk stands with "SP-" stamped in front of the designation.  Unknown what the SP stands for, most likely "SPECIAL".  Interestingly, both examples have non-WE receivers.  They include the following:

SP-20-H



SP-20-R Hand-held model with a watchcase receiver used for radio? dispatching?  The transmitter and finish varies.


Drawn Perch Type

These phones had two-digit designations and were primarily nickel-plated.  These were also available without transmitter and receiver, and some of the transmitters supplied with complete phones were changed over time.

20-AB:  Series
Finish:
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:


20-AC Bracket or arm mounted.
Finish: black
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:

20-AG  Interphone connected to a 12-Button box
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:302w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord:

20-AH  Interphone connected to a 12-Button box
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord: 406 and 389

20-AK  Series central battery service
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:293w
Receiver: 171-W
Cord: 406 and 389

20-ALFor regular bridging and magneto service.  Insulated transmitter.
Finish: Black
Transmitter:291w or 329w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord: 450

20-AM Series central battery service
Finish: Black
Transmitter:293w
Receiver: 171-W
Cord: 406 and 389

20-AP  Cut out switch on the side
Finish: Blackl
Transmitter:229w
Receiver: 122
Cord: 406 and 389

20-AS:  Interphone with 4 buttons in base
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302-W
Receiver: 197-W
Cord: 494, 360, 466 (2)

20-AT:  Interphone with 8-Buttons in base.  Alternate description:  Seperately mounted  direct current vibrating bell.
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302-W
Receiver: 197-W
Cord: 494, 360, 466 (2)

20-AU:  Direct current vibrating buzzer mounted in base
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:

20-AW: Interphone with buzzer in base?
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302-W
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord: 452, 360, 466 (2)

20-BC
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:291w or 329w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord:

20-BE
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord: 406 and 412

20-BF
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302-W
Receiver: 197-W
Cord: 494, 360, 466 (2)

20-BG:  Interphone deskstand with ringing button in the stem, signal buzzer in the base
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302-W
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord: 452, 360, 466 (2)





Interphones are highly variable and it is common for the phone perch mark  to have no relation to the specifications in the catalog, as with the 20-BG above

20-BJ:  Interphone deskstand with ringing button in the stem, signal buzzer in the base
Finish: Black
Transmitter:302-W
Receiver: watchcase
Cord:

20-CN:  Series
Finish:
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:

20-DA:  Appears to have been used as a dispatch phone
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver: headphone
Cord:



20-MC For central battery service, using transmitter cutout button
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:229w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord:

20-PC: For above-ground use
Finish: Nickel
Transmitter:291w or 329w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord:

20-SC: Local battery bridging or central battery service
Finish: Black
Transmitter:229w or 329w
Receiver: 122, 143, or 144
Cord:



40-AL
Finish: Bower-Barf
Transmitter:
Receiver: 144
Cord:

40-CM
Finish: Bower-Barf
Transmitter:
Receiver: 144
Cord:

41-CJ:  Series
Finish:
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:





42-AB:  Series
Finish:
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:


44-BG Interphone
Finish: Bower-Barf
Transmitter:302w
Receiver: Graybar 179
Cord:

46-B:  Series
Finish:
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:



48-D:  Series
Finish: black
Transmitter:635A "Bulldog"
Receiver: headset
Cord:

DIAL CANDLESTICKS

50-AL
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver: 144
Cord:

50-CM Transmitter cut-out button
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver: 144
Cord:

51-AL
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver: 144
Cord:

51-C
Finish: Black
Transmitter:353w
Receiver: 144
Cord:

52-AB
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver: watchcase
Cord:

Anti-Sidetone Sets



120-AL
Finish: Black
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:

These are usually just re-marked 20-Als

140-AL
Finish: Bower-Barf
Transmitter:
Receiver:
Cord:

These are usually just re-marked 40-Als

151-AL
Finish: Black
Transmitter:635A "Bulldog"
Receiver: 706A
Cord:

151-ALs were created during the Depression through WW2 to use up spare parts when the economic crisis and the War curtailed production of new phones.  Although the classic 151-AL came from the factory refurb shop with a "Bulldog" transmitter, 706A receiver, and 4H or 5H dial, many existing 50-AL and 51ALs were upgraded to anti-sidetone and feature earlier 323 or 337 transmitters, 144 AW receivers and 2AA or 2AB dials.  Some appear to be constructed from 20-ALs and older deskstands, I have a solid perch that was stamped 151-AL, and have seen a TYPE 22 "Hershey's kiss" that was used on a 151AL.


151-R  I could not find an actual example of this phone but there is a wiring diagram in the TCI library
Finish: Black
Transmitter:635A "Bulldog"
Receiver:
Cord:

152-AB
Finish: Black
Transmitter:635A "Bulldog"
Receiver: watchcase
Cord:
Similar to the 151-AL but with a headset receiver and corresponding hook.

Here is a reference to the Wistful Vista page that contains additional information:

http://www.oldtimephones.com/perchmarkings.html


***THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS***

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