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Telephone Talk => Forum News => Topic started by: Dennis Markham on December 21, 2013, 07:54:08 PM

Title: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 21, 2013, 07:54:08 PM
You may notice some changes to the look of things.  The Forum software has been updated to the latest version, thanks to a close friend that is also my web guru.  I've been hounding him for a while to help me get it updated (which means do it for me so I don't screw things up).

Also, I have had a suggestion from a couple of people to put a PayPal tab on the site to help off-set costs associated with keeping the Forum going.  I'm not soliciting funds at all from any of you members.  I think there are lots of people that visit that never become members that use the forum for information.  The "Donate" button is there for them to donate if they so choose.

Let me know please if you experience any problems with the upgraded software.

Thank you.

~Dennis
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 21, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
Dang it, Dennis, It's about time you put a donate button there!  :)

I am glad you did.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: unbeldi on December 21, 2013, 08:05:50 PM
Perhaps the email notification could be enabled?
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 21, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on December 21, 2013, 08:05:50 PM
Perhaps the email notification could be enabled?

Working on that issue next unbeldi.  I should have mentioned that in my post.  Thanks for keeping me honest.

Thank you, Bill.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 21, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
Things aren't working 100% correctly as far as the appearance goes.  The software update was complicated (I'm told) but each step of the way the upgrade went smoothly.  All the messages generated said that each step of the operations was complete and correct but the process was very cumbersome and difficult,  So for now it is what it is....

One of the members reported photos appeared to be missing.  I don't see that happening.  The last thread I posted photos in earlier tonight were all there.

~Dennis
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Mr. Bones on December 21, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
Big Boss Man (Dennis),

     I am so glad to hear from you; seems way too long... I tried out the PayPal link, just to make sure it was working properly; all seems fine, at this point, but one can never be too sure. I highly recommend others that are able continue to test it...

     Software upgrade seems to have disabled absolutely all font, formatting, color, emoticons, and other forum options for me, compared to earlier this day. I am utilizing Firefox, if that helps isolate the glitch.

     Since I no longer have the bold, italics, or emoticons to emphasize / accentuate, let me utilize plain-old language: Please test the paypal link... let's keep the Forum going, thanks to Dennis.

     With my very best regards to you and yours...


Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: tallguy58 on December 21, 2013, 08:55:15 PM
Some photos are there and the others require downloading. Some avatars can be seen, others are missing.

Anyone else have this issue??
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 21, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
I'm guessing the theme is probably not compatible with the upgrades, hence the rather mucked up appearance, as the copyright on it is 5 years old, so SMF has probably changed things enough to not make it work right...

And I can't see the options for text styles and whatnot or the smilies...
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: poplar1 on December 21, 2013, 09:03:20 PM
I don't see the tab for reading the last 100 messages. I used that sometimes because it would show 0 unread after logging in, even though there were new messages.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 21, 2013, 09:22:13 PM
Yes, there are some glitches.  Not sure what's next.  Hopefully we can get things back in the groove.

Thanks everyone for the information.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Doug Rose on December 21, 2013, 09:31:36 PM
Dennis ,,,,no troubles at all with me. I like the changes....Doug
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 21, 2013, 09:32:59 PM
Quote from: tallguy58 on December 21, 2013, 08:55:15 PM
Some avatars can be seen, others are missing.

Anyone else have this issue??

Looks like TwoCV's Avatar is working just fine....it was a red X in a box before the upgrade wasn't it TwoCV? :)

My Avatar went away with the upgrade so I have a new one "On Loan" now. It appears tha tyou have to go to your profile and put the avatar back.

I see the Quotes of previous posts are just indented now with "quote" over top but maybe that will improve.

What I was really hoping for was a "Reply" button on each post in addition to the already existing "quote" button. That would cut down on a lot of the unneccesary quoting of the previous post in replies. Youu have to go to the bottom of the page to find a "Reply" button currently.

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 21, 2013, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 21, 2013, 09:32:59 PMLooks like TwoCV's Avatar is working just fine....it was a red X in a box before the upgrade wasn't it TwoCV? :)

Not quite, no, it was more a black WE500DM (and it's still there as far as I can see!)... :D

(and I'm having to do smilies from memory too!! :D )
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: paul-f on December 21, 2013, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 21, 2013, 08:44:55 PM

One of the members reported photos appeared to be missing.  I don't see that happening.  The last thread I posted photos in earlier tonight were all there.


Here are some examples of missing photos:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10763.msg114751#msg114751

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10677.msg114887#msg114887

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10755.msg115162#msg115162
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10755.msg115167#msg115167
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10755.msg115183#msg115183

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=5796.msg115184#msg115184
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=5796.msg115204#msg115204

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg112694#msg112694
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg112899#msg112899
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg111655#msg111655
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg112129#msg112129
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg111313#msg111313
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg111328#msg111328
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg107548#msg107548
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg107555#msg107555
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg107556#msg107556
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg108165#msg108165
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=1351.msg108485#msg108485

etc.

The button to review a post before posting is not labeled (but still works).


Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 21, 2013, 10:16:11 PM
This is actually pretty smooth compared to some software upgrades I have seen done at places I have worked.  Here, we can still post and do most of the things we need to. 

Some US health care web sites (which shall remain anonymous) even had worse luck recently! 

You can still underscore and bold if you know how to do it with html.

** update ** the html tag of (u)xxxxx(/u)  (substitute the parentheses for square brackets [ ]) doesn't seem to be working


Cheers
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 21, 2013, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: twocvbloke on December 21, 2013, 09:42:41 PM
(and it's still there as far as I can see!)... :D

Not for me using IE, just a red X in a box like many others as well.

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 21, 2013, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 21, 2013, 10:17:38 PMNot for me using IE, just a red X in a box like many others as well.

Terry

Try pressing the Ctrl and F5, this will flush out the cache to update what IE can't be bothered to reload post-update... :)

Then go and download a decent browser... :D
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 01:41:11 AM
Here's where we are at the moment.  The "theme" was changed to bring things back in line.  Obviously things look much different.  The little Model 302 icons are gone as is the banner at the top of the page.  Things that will be modified in the near future.  But meantime, I think things should be working normally.  It's just a matter of getting used to the current changes. 

I will keep everyone updated as I (we) move forward from this upgrade.  It may be one of those times that we say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Dennis
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 05:55:28 AM
Hello Everyone,

Dennis asked me to update the software that runs this forum because apparently there were some enhancements in the new software that were beneficial to how the forum functions. Although I'm fairly computer savvy, I had no previous experience with the Simple Machines software that runs this website.

Yesterday evening I did a backup of the full website and installed the update. Things went smoothly and the software advised me that every step of the way the upgrade went fine resulting in a successful upgrade to the current version of the software.

It became immediately apparent that things just didn't "look right" after the upgrade in terms of page layout, missing data, etc. My review of the problems led me to believe that the current theme (the visual interface of the forum - not the data itself) was not compatible with the new version of the software. So I modified the theme to what you see now and it appears to me that things are now working properly. By that I mean it appears that all of the data from the back end database is being properly rendered on the screen.

I understand that the look and feel of the forum is different. Based on the fact that the previous theme is no longer compatible, moving forward from here it's apparent that the forum is going to look different. What that final look turns out to be is something Dennis will have to decide.

Your comments about the new theme / upgrade are important to me, but in my mind I separate them into two different areas:

1) Comments about "What's not working or missing" (Most important)
2) Comments about "I don't like this or that" (Less important)

From what I have read there are suggestions that photographs are missing after the upgrade. It appears to me that all photos are working as in the past.  I see dozens and dozens of photos and have yet to see a broken link indicating a missing photo.

Someone else suggested that avatars are missing.  My avatar is right where it always was and I did not have to add or modify my account in any way.  I think some issues may be related to "cache" and each user might have to clear their browser cache and cookies to see the new upgrade properly. If you don't know how to do that you can Google it for your particular browser and you'll learn how to easily clear both the cache and the cookies of your browser.

Others have suggested that some of the editing features when writing or replying to posts are missing. I see all standard editing features while I am writing this post - actually, there's so many features that I think most of them just garbage up the actual posts - but that's my opinion and yors may be different. But to me, all normal editing features are present with the current theme that is being used.

So...I'll try to review this post for the next few days to see what other comments are made, and I'll work with Dennis to make things just how he wants them if it is possible to do so. But remember that whatever the end result is won't be how the forum "looked and felt" before.

I'm just glad the tens of thousands of users and posts didn't get blown up during the upgrade and that all the *data* is still here!

- Dave Zemens
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 08:38:28 AM
Hi Dave:

Things are looking different, but good. So far, at least, it looks as though all the data is there, and the message options/smilies are there again. Of course, it has only been back on a few minutes, and it will take a while to find any bugs, but it is looking better than last night.

Thanks to you and to Dennis for taking on this chore - it is much appreciated. From my own web experience over the past 20 years, I know how tricky upgrades can be. I know that heart in the mouth feeling waiting to see is all is still there when the upgrade is done. So, you can swallow it again, things are looking pretty good, and if anything is still worng and awaiting discovery, I am sure it will work out ok.

I agree with you - it was the Theme which didn't appear to be compatible with the newer software... Thanks for taking on this chore. We appreciate it, and I know Dennis does, too!

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 08:44:01 AM
@Dave in PEI:  Thanks for the comments. Much appreciated. Things do look pretty good at the moment. I'm quite certain all the functionality is in place just as before. Only difference is the look and feel. To be honest, I like the new theme better, but I'm not as used to the old theme as you regulars were.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 08:44:01 AM
@Dave in PEI:  Thanks for the comments. Much appreciated. Things do look pretty good at the moment. I'm quite certain all the functionality is in place just as before. Only difference is the look and feel. To be honest, I like the new theme better, but I'm not as used to the old theme as you regulars were.
Yes, it is going to take a while to get used to it, but it is functional. I just noticed one change - the messages notification is no longer on the main page - the notification of PMs for a member. It used to be above the topic lists...

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Yes, it looks like the private message notification now shows up in the horizontal menu with an indicator of how many messages you have waiting to be read.  Different, but functional!   :P
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 09:12:03 AM
I should point out to other users, if you don't like the new last to first method of listing messages, you can change that in your profile settings. Likewise, you can shut off the quick editor there if you don't like it....

Everything is looking different, but fantastic!

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bridie on December 22, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
It's looking fab.  The only thing I didn't like was the most recent posts displaying first, but I changed that easily in my Profile > Account settings.  I'm not having any issues here, using Google Chrome.


Many thanks for creating and maintaining this forum - it's been a huge source of assistance for me.


Bridget
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 09:25:31 AM
Based on previous comments I *believe* that I change the default theme settings to show posts in the order of first -> last which is apparently how the old theme handled them.

I *believe* that I also removed the default setting of "Quick Reply" for post replies as well.

Let me know.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 09:35:06 AM
Hi Dave:

I think most used first to last, but there were some who preferred last to first. As far as the quick editor is concerned, I hadn't yet made up my mind whether I liked it, but it would serve the purpose of reducing the amount of quoting used on the fortune.

You might want to turn them both on again, and let the users decide for themselves which they prefer - everyone has different likes and dislikes.

I an sure the odd problem may show up, but overall, it is excellent. I am sure it was nerve wracking for you and for Dennis!

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 09:38:08 AM
I believe you are correct Dave. I set them back to the defaults of "Most recent post shown first" and "Quick Reply on". Both can be controlled by individual users in their own profiles.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: dsk on December 22, 2013, 09:57:13 AM
 8) We resist every change by nature, but this really looks to be better, just not familiar with it yet, different colors etc.
:) You have done a great job!

dsk
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Contempra on December 22, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
Well, this is a big change of your forum Dennis !
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 09:25:31 AM
Based on previous comments I *believe* that I change the default theme settings to show posts in the order of first -> last which is apparently how the old theme handled them.

I *believe* that I also removed the default setting of "Quick Reply" for post replies as well.

Let me know.


Went into the auction contest section to find the default sort order is newest first.

As noted in Dave's post, it can be changed to newest last by unchecking the box shown at the bottom of this screen shot, which can be found in individual user profile setting. Unchecked the box, saved the changes and my view is back to the sort order we were used to seeing.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: david@london on December 22, 2013, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: Bridie on December 22, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
Many thanks for creating and maintaining this forum - it's been a huge source of assistance for me.

i agree with bridget 100%........& the new look is great.

functionally, once i'd reversed the order of posts by unchecking the box on the profile area, everything's hunky dory.
i'm noticing that quite a few photographs are cut off on the right-hand side......quite noticeable here, on the second page .............

edit........ignore that about the photos, i had my monitor zoomed in a bit too much

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
@david@london:  Weird. Those photos look perfectly fine to me.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 22, 2013, 11:53:26 AM
I have always preferred the most recent posts to be at the top, so I don't have to scroll down, down, down on long threads.

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2013, 11:59:39 AM
Quick check. Looking for the old "Charter Member" avatar showing the 302. Are these avatars gone? Can we (I) get them back?

[And there it is! I'm happy - I really liked that one.]

Bill
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 12:07:39 PM
First and foremost I would like to publicly thank Dave (Zemens) for all of his hard work on this software upgrade.  He worked late into last night and was at it early this morning....and with Christmas knocking at the door.  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

It looks great.  Yes, things appear different but it's cleaner now for the most part.  Changes are often a tough pill to swallow.  For me too.  Right now I miss the little Model 302's that light up indicating new messages.  Perhaps we can later get that working again....or maybe a time to change to a different icon for that.

I want to spend some time using the Forum in its current form and see how things are going.  I would like to get the e-mail notification system working again.  That would be huge.  Not only from a personal stand-point but from a moderation stand-point too.  That system allows users to get an automatic response when their password is forgotten.  Now if someone has to click that forgotten password link they must e-mail me so I can manually go in and make a temporary password for them.  They then log in with the temporary password and then change it to whatever they want.  The server had shut down the Forum because of spambot computer registrations.  A compromise was to disable e-mail (temporarily) so that the forum could be used.

Thank you to everyone for their input as well.  As Dave suggested, just make a post here if you find things that appear to be glitches.  As far as your personal settings, you can take care of that individually in your account settings area.  I prefer to have the newest message at the top.  Tomato-tomato.

Thank you, Dave!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2013, 12:31:25 PM
The page that lists all the posts in any given forum has a bunch of icons, some only subtly different from others, whose meaning is (at least to me) not obvious. Somewhere I'm sure there is a list of icons, but I can't find it. Anyone?

Bill
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
@Bill: If I understand which icons you are referring to correctly I think if you scroll to the footer of the page you are on there is a list of icons and definitions on the left side of the footer.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: david@london on December 22, 2013, 12:40:21 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
@david@london:  Weird. Those photos look perfectly fine to me.

dave-
apologies, it was me......i had my monitor setting zoomed in to 175%. at 125% it's fine.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2013, 12:45:02 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
@Bill: If I understand which icons you are referring to correctly I think if you scroll to the footer of the page you are on there is a list of icons and definitions on the left side of the footer.
Well, I feel dumb! I got so involved in trying to find the list in the FAQ that I never got to the bottom of the page.

Many thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: david@london on December 22, 2013, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: Bridie on December 22, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
Many thanks for creating and maintaining this forum - it's been a huge source of assistance for me.

i'm noticing that quite a few photographs are cut off on the right-hand side......quite noticeable here, on the second page .............

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10406.msg114792#new

Well, I see only half of the avatars and half of the pictures. If I click on the jpg link below the picture box, the photo opens up in my image software so it seems to be there. The pdf of that screen from the link above is attached.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 22, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: david@london on December 22, 2013, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: Bridie on December 22, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
Many thanks for creating and maintaining this forum - it's been a huge source of assistance for me.

i'm noticing that quite a few photographs are cut off on the right-hand side......quite noticeable here, on the second page .............

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10406.msg114792#new

Well, I see only half of the avatars and half of the pictures. If I click on the jpg link below the picture box, the photo opens up in my image software so it seems to be there. The pdf of that screen from the link above is attached.
I am getting the same thing. Already cleared browser cache and reloaded page, same thing.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: Phonesrfun on December 22, 2013, 11:53:26 AM
I have always preferred the most recent posts to be at the top, so I don't have to scroll down, down, down on long threads.



After using the site for several years by going to the last page and scrolling down to find the newest post, I discovered that the little red "new" button next to the topic on the "unread" page would take me there, to the newest post, with one click on the red button. I can't believe I didn't know that or try that earlier.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 01:11:03 PM
The first thing everyone needs to remember is that we all have individual control over our web browser. It's possible to make the font larger, the images larger and the over all layout of the browser larger. In other words, we all have the ability to break just about any website by increasing the sizes of things in our browser. This is done through the preferences of the individual browser and has nothing to do with this forum.

As noted by one of the other folks who commented earlier about photos being "too large", he later found that he had increased the size of his viewport within his web browser and that was the cause of the problem.

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 01:13:24 PM
@TelePlay: This theme is a lot cleaner than the last one, so it was easier for you to learn that new technique!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: unbeldi on December 22, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
The software is upgraded, yes, but the user interface looks terrible.
I am greeted with 2/3 of the page empty with scattered donation explanations and advertisements.
Very cluttered.
The default SMF theme looks better.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on December 22, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
The software is upgraded, yes, but the user interface looks terrible.
I am greeted with 2/3 of the page empty with scattered donation explanations and advertisements.
Very cluttered.
The default SMF theme looks better.

unbeldi: What browser and browser version are you using? Looks great on Firefox and Internet Explorer 10.0
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 22, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on December 22, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
The software is upgraded, yes, but the user interface looks terrible.
I am greeted with 2/3 of the page empty with scattered donation explanations and advertisements.
Very cluttered.
The default SMF theme looks better.

I wonder if it depends on the device you are viewing it on.  My PC shows all that stuff in the top 1/3 of the screen.  My iphone shows almost all of the opening screen to be all that stuff so I have to scroll down.  The paragraph about donations takes up 7 lines on my screen where it could only take up one or two if it were formatted to have more text on a line.  My browser is not showing ads any more.  I wonder if the ads were done away with in favor of the donation button.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 01:41:57 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: unbeldi on December 22, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
The software is upgraded, yes, but the user interface looks terrible.
I am greeted with 2/3 of the page empty with scattered donation explanations and advertisements.
Very cluttered.
The default SMF theme looks better.

unbeldi: What browser and browser version are you using? Looks great on Firefox and Internet Explorer 10.0
Looks great in IE 10, Firefox 26, and in Google Chrome Version 31.0.1650.63. People having problems may have a very small screen setting or be viewing on a portable device.

The new layout is very clean (as compared to it with the original theme installed last night)

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 01:43:47 PM
I've modified those little phone icons that show unread posts in each forum. Take a look and see if you like the new like. Red 302 if there are unread posts and a greyed out 302 if there are no unread posts. If I say so myself it looks way better than the old theme.  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Awesome, Dave!  I like the Red 302's.  Beautiful job!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 22, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
So here is what I see RE: the Header information:

My PC running IE 10  My Avatar and Show unread posts, etc is at the very upper right hand corner across the screen from the Classic Rotary phone forum heading.  No advertisements whatsoever, except that the donate info is directly below the forum heading.

My iPhone and iPad have similar displays:

They display the Forum header.  Nothing to the right of that
Next down is the donate information,
Then down below that is an advertisement.  I get ads on both mobile devices and not on my PC
Then down below that is my avatar and the usual stuff that belongs with that.

No wonder it takes 2/3 of a screen on a mobile device.  Maybe it could be paginated better, but if there are other more critical issues, I, for one, could live with that.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 22, 2013, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Awesome, Dave!  I like the Red 302's.  Beautiful job!

I do too!  Now if I could only HAVE a real pekin red 302.  You got that, Santa??
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 01:43:47 PM
I've modified those little phone icons that show unread posts in each forum. Take a look and see if you like the new like. Red 302 if there are unread posts and a greyed out 302 if there are no unread posts. If I say so myself it looks way better than the old theme.  ;)

Hi Dave:

Looking great!

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Mr. Bones on December 22, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
Dave Z.,

     The red 302 icons are a welcome addition; very intuitive, easy to spot. Thanks to you and Dennis for all your hard work. We'll get all the hiccups out and roll on, with a little time and patience.

Best regards!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Contempra on December 22, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
for my part I have no problem to view the forum with my 10.0 IE and Firefox 25.01
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: JimH on December 22, 2013, 03:01:31 PM
It's looking great!  Thanks for all your effort and hard work.  I really appreciate it.  I was having withdrawls, though, for just one night  ;D.

Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: old_stuff_hound on December 22, 2013, 03:56:00 PM
?normal to back and order chronological reverse of out get I do How

NM, found it.

    Classic Rotary Phones Forum »Profile of old_stuff_hound »Look and Layout

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 04:20:19 PM
Quote from: old_stuff_hound on December 22, 2013, 03:56:00 PM
?normal to back and order chronological reverse of out get I do How

NM, found it.

    Classic Rotary Phones Forum »Profile of old_stuff_hound »Look and Layout

And for anyone else looking for that fix,

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.msg115280#msg115280
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
Still can't see some avatars and some photos  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
Still can't see some avatars and some photos  :'( :'(
Give us links to the ones you can't see. Many photos in the past were hosted off the Forum and the links are no longer good, having noting to do with the updates...

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: paul-f on December 22, 2013, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
Still can't see some avatars and some photos  :'( :'(
Give us links to the ones you can't see. Many photos in the past were hosted off the Forum and the links are no longer good, having noting to do with the updates...

Dave
I still can't see photos in the messages cited earlier - using IE9.  They are visible using Firefox.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.msg115259#msg115259 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.msg115259#msg115259)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 04:34:06 PM
Here's a recent one:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.0

No pics of the toolbox

Avatars missing:

Teleplay, WEBellsystemChristian, Matilo Telephones


Using IE9
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 04:38:12 PM
They are all there for me using Firefox. It has to be an IE thing...

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 22, 2013, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 04:38:12 PMIt has to be an IE thing...

That's why IE is the best browser, to download another browser to replace it... ;D
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Mr. Bones on December 22, 2013, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: twocvbloke on December 22, 2013, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 04:38:12 PMIt has to be an IE thing...

That's why IE is the best browser, to download another browser to replace it... ;D
You said it, twocv!!! Lol!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 22, 2013, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Bones on December 22, 2013, 04:53:03 PMYou said it, twocv!!! Lol!

Technically it was someone else, I just like repeating it... ;D
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
@tallguy58:  Not sure what to tell you about Internet Explorer. I've tested that post with the tool box photo in current versions of Firefox, Safari & Google Chrome and the images and avatars work great. I switched from Internet Explorer over a decade ago.  It's better than it was then, but still is deficient as a browser.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Mr. Bones on December 22, 2013, 05:21:23 PM
     Well, it was nice while it lasted, but now the (only mildly annoying) ads are back in the upper LH.

     For a brief, shining moment, nothing inhabited that area, except the PayPal donate area. Sigh.

     I tested this out last night, in order to make sure that Dennis' PayPal was working properly. I am sure that you are all welcome to do the same, in order to assure the site is once again fully functional, and will continue to be. ;) How often do you get to be a Beta / Field tester?

Best regards!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Nick in Manitou on December 22, 2013, 05:40:56 PM
I am probably being a bit thick, but all of a sudden, the first posting I see on a topic is the most recent instead of the original (oldest) posting on the topic.

Is there a setting somewhere that I need to reset, or should I just get used to the new world order?

I am using Firefox at the moment.

Nick
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
Quote from: Nick in Manitou on December 22, 2013, 05:40:56 PM
I am probably being a bit thick, but all of a sudden, the first posting I see on a topic is the most recent instead of the original (oldest) posting on the topic.

Is there a setting somewhere that I need to reset, or should I just get used to the new world order?

I am using Firefox at the moment.

Nick

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.msg115280#msg115280

and

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.msg115339#msg115339
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 22, 2013, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 04:34:06 PM
Here's a recent one:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.0

No pics of the toolbox

Avatars missing:

Teleplay, WEBellsystemChristian, Matilo Telephones


Using IE9

Again, I am getting the same thing. I am downloading the newest IE while we speak. I will let you know if it helps.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: HarrySmith on December 22, 2013, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 04:34:06 PM
Here's a recent one:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.0

No pics of the toolbox

Avatars missing:

Teleplay, WEBellsystemChristian, Matilo Telephones


Using IE9

Again, I am getting the same thing. I am downloading the newest IE while we speak. I will let you know if it helps.

Harry,

Over the past 12 hours, I've seen avatars and photos go and come and go and come and go . . .

I'm running several different versions of IE on XP and W7 platforms and there is no consistency. One hour, they are all there. The next, some are gone. The following hour, they are all back. I assume this is part of what's being done behind the scenes and will just wait a week or so to see if it remains a consistant intermittent problem or becomes resolved over time.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 06:09:25 PM
Make no mistake, the "missing" images in Internet Explorer are not a function of what's going on behind the scenes. I am doing nothing behind the scenes any longer. The images are all "there" and not "missing" at all. Why Internet Explorer does not properly render them is unknown - other than the fact that it's been widely recognized for over ten years as a non-standards compliant web browser that does not follow accepted practices.

No need to download the "newest version" of Internet Explorer. It won't work properly either. Just as the version before it didn't and the version before that one didn't etc. etc.

The photos are as good as they are going to be for folks choosing to use Internet Explorer. The browser is what is broken, not the forum.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: paul-f on December 22, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 06:09:25 PM
Make no mistake, the "missing" images in Internet Explorer are not a function of what's going on behind the scenes. I am doing nothing behind the scenes any longer. The images are all "there" and not "missing" at all. Why Internet Explorer does not properly render them is unknown - other than the fact that it's been widely recognized for over ten years as a non-standards compliant web browser that does not follow accepted practices.

No need to download the "newest version" of Internet Explorer. It won't work properly either. Just as the version before it didn't and the version before that one didn't etc. etc.

The photos are as good as they are going to be for folks choosing to use Internet Explorer. The browser is what is broken, not the forum.

Dave,

While I appreciate your hard work and continuing support, your response is the typical finger-pointing response that makes users livid with software.

The fact remains that the photos worked fine with IE before the update and don't work well now.

While you certainly didn't personally cause the change, something in the software update did.

Given the number of users that are hooked on IE, for whatever reasons, the software developers should do whatever it takes to work with Microsoft to make the user experience as positive as possible.  This is worth a trouble report to the tool provider.

(I have worked in software support during my career, so have been on both sides of this type of situation.)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Greg G. on December 22, 2013, 07:06:39 PM
I like the new look!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
I guess my point Paul is that there's nothing else *I* can do as the person who processed this update for Dennis. Standards compliant browsers work properly and show the images as the software developer intended. The problem is with the browser. That's all I can offer to those who are frustrated.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 08:11:32 PM
Hi all:

I just did some experimentation with Doug's post of the wooden box:
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.msg115158#msg115158

This is one of those people using IE are having difficulty with. It works great in Firefox, Google Chrome, but fails to show the photos in IE (but has a link to download those photos, just won't display them.).

I saved a copy of the last photo to my machine, then deleted if from the message (w6.jpg). Then I opened up the photo in Photoshop and saved a fresh copy. Finally, I uploaded it to the server and re-attached it to the message.

Finally I checked it in all three browsers once again. All photos showed in Firefox and Chrome, and the last photo (the one I had re-saved) now showes in IE.

What does this tell us? That it isn't the board software that is the problem, it is the variety of JPEG or amount of compression of it. By re-saving it, note it now shows.

My best recommendation is to do as I and many others did years ago, and switch away from using IE. It is a very susceptible browser and the newer Firefox and Chrome are less so (note: all browsers are susceptible to exploits - IE is just more-so because the hackers hate Microsoft).

I should note that I was one who fought changing over from IE for a number of years, but since I did, would never change back.

However, with that argument out of the way, the point is that IE doesn't like the flavour of JPG. Re-saving it eliminates the problem. That we now know. Why exactly it makes a difference is anyone's guess.

I do want to point out that you can still view the photos in IE 8, 9, and 10, but you just have to download the image to your computer, and view the photo outside of your browser.

I realize a lot of people don't wish to change browsers lest they lose their bookmarks, but both Firefox and Chrome will import your IE bookmarks. Both are free. Both work very well.

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
I am doing a test here and adding one of the photographs from the post that won't display images properly in Internet Explorer. Bear with me as I conduct this test. 

Very strange, because when I view this post with Internet Explorer I *can* see the image, which is the same image that is *not* visible in this post:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.msg115158#msg115158 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.msg115158#msg115158)

I'd be curious to hear from those using Internet Explorer if you can see the image in *this* post.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: m1898 on December 22, 2013, 08:55:16 PM
Just installed IE 10 and it looks a little better. Still have some photos not showing up. May try IE 11, not sure. I did download Firefox, but not sure about installing it yet. I know I will not go with Google, period. Since my reasons are political, and out of respect for Dennis's wishes, I will not state them on this forum. I know I will get some flak from some, but that's okay.   Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 22, 2013, 09:05:34 PM
Quote from: m1898 on December 22, 2013, 08:55:16 PM
Just installed IE 10 and it looks a little better. Still have some photos not showing up. May try IE 11, not sure. I did download Firefox, but not sure about installing it yet. I know I will not go with Google, period. Since my reasons are political, and out of respect for Dennis's wishes, I will not state them on this forum. I know I will get some flak from some, but that's okay.   Jim
I don't think you need to worry about being political with that. I find Google intrusive, as well, and for that reason, though I do have Chrome on my machine for software testing purposes, I use Firefox as my normal browser, and use IE and Chrome only for testing purposes.

I think a lot of people feel that way about Chrome. However, it does work well as a browser but I am concerned about Google's propensity for data collection..

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 22, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
I'd be curious to hear from those using Internet Explorer if you can see the image in *this* post.

With IE 10, I can see the photo you put up in you post, the W6 photo Dave re-posted but none of the W1 to W5 pics Doug originally posted at the link provided. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: m1898 on December 22, 2013, 09:08:36 PM
Thanks Dave.             Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Thanks Dave,

Just installed Firefox. Got my avatar back and can see all the pictures of Doug's box at the link given above.

Install was easy and fast and yes, it imported my IE links, favorites etc.

I'm a no to Chrome for all of the above . . .  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
I have been using Firefox for many years now and it has been trouble-free.

I seem to recall a thread some time ago where we talked about this issue.  I think there was some advice for I.E. users to make a minor adjustment in the settings to make things work properly.  I will have to search the Forum and see if I can find the info.  Maybe it is pertinent to this issue that some are having.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Nick in Manitou on December 22, 2013, 09:45:46 PM
TelePlay,
Thanks for the links showing where to reset the order things are presented in. 
I had gone looking for that when I first had the problem, but I could not find it.  Sorry that I asked a question that had already been covered!

Nick
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 09:49:18 PM
Here's a thread that has the discussion I mentioned in my previous post.  This problem was a "jumping cursor" in Internet Explorer.  On reply #30 from Terry (AE_Collector), he suggested clicking the compatibility mode button at the top of Internet Explorer.  Don't know if that will work in the case of the missing photos but may be worth a try.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=3690.msg105224#msg105224
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 22, 2013, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: Nick in Manitou on December 22, 2013, 09:45:46 PM
TelePlay,
Thanks for the links showing where to reset the order things are presented in. 
I had gone looking for that when I first had the problem, but I could not find it.  Sorry that I asked a question that had already been covered!

Nick

Hey, Nick, glad to help. No need to apologize for that. Took me a bit of learning to make the change so just passing what I learned along to anyone who may have missed an earlier post. This is very quite active topic with a lot of posts making it easy to miss one post. Dave Z. was the first one to tell us how to make that change many pages ago  ;).
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
How do I get my signature bigger?

I've tried the usual BBCode without success.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 22, 2013, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: tallguy58 on December 22, 2013, 09:58:50 PM
How do I get my signature bigger?

I've tried the usual BBCode without success.

In the profile settings, just before the sig, put [size=XXpt] Sig goes here [/size]

xx = number of points.  My sig is 13 pts, bold and italics
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 23, 2013, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 22, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
I have been using Firefox for many years now and it has been trouble-free.

I've been using it for about 5 years, and it's always been a pain in the rear, but it's a lot better than having the lack of security, browser exploits and excessive "back doors" in IE or the never ending snooping and data harvesting from google with Chrome... ;D

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 23, 2013, 06:00:41 AM
Quote from: twocvbloke on December 23, 2013, 12:00:30 AM
I've been using it for about 5 years, and it's always been a pain in the rear, but it's a lot better than having the lack of security, browser exploits and excessive "back doors" in IE or the never ending snooping and data harvesting from google with Chrome... ;D
Strange. I have been using Firefox for many years and like Dennis, have never had any problem with it - none at all on several generations of machines. I changed to Firefox because of the problems I had previously had with IE, and would never go back (other than for brief tests).

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 23, 2013, 07:23:40 AM
The problem with images within posts not displaying properly in Internet Explorer has continued to bug me. I've tweaked some more things this morning. Would those of you running Internet Explorer (particularly those who've had trouble viewing these photos before) take another look at this post with the wooden box images and tell me if you can see the photos now. Please remember to refresh your page so that a new copy of the page is rendered and it's not a cache from yesterday.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10796.msg115158#msg115158

After the tweaks I did I *can* see the photos using Internet Explorer 11.  I'll be curious to hear if others are having the same experience. 
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 23, 2013, 07:32:26 AM
Hi Dave Z.:

By jove, I think you've got it. I switched over to IE to give it a try, and all images now show, not only the one I modified yesterday... What did you do?

Dave H.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 23, 2013, 07:39:58 AM
It's a secret Dave. That's why I get paid the big bucks to be a web site guru.  :P
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 23, 2013, 08:30:37 AM
Works great! Thanks Dave!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: m1898 on December 23, 2013, 08:40:59 AM
I can see it now, too. I am using IE 10. Thank you. Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bridie on December 23, 2013, 08:50:14 AM
I can see the photos with no problems.  Using IE 8 here at work this morning.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 23, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
I can see all the photos and my avatar in IE 7, but really like Firefox now that I'm using it.  ;D
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: paul-f on December 23, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 23, 2013, 07:23:40 AM

Would those of you running Internet Explorer (particularly those who've had trouble viewing these photos before) take another look at this post with the wooden box images and tell me if you can see the photos now.


Looks good.
Thanks for the extra effort, Dave!   :)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 23, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: TelePlay on December 23, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
I can see all the photos and my avatar in IE 7, but really like Firefox now that I'm using it.  ;D

Everybody likes Firefox! Don't resist, make the switch!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bridie on December 23, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
I started using Firefox when I got my Macbook but find it a bit of a memory hog.  It really drags at times and doing image searches is a pain in the butt; after about five minutes it freezes up and I have to force a quit. Argh.  I bought more RAM but haven't put it in yet, so that might solve the problem.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bridie on December 23, 2013, 10:35:24 AM
Oops spoke too soon.  In IE 8 I'm no longer seeing my own avatar.  I can see it in Chrome, however.  Weird.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 23, 2013, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Bridie on December 23, 2013, 10:35:24 AM
Oops spoke too soon.  In IE 8 I'm no longer seeing my own avatar.  I can see it in Chrome, however.  Weird.

Okay, worked on IE 7 but only partially on IE 8 (on another machine). In IE 8, can see the photos but not the avatars.

Downloading Firefox on this machine as I type this.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 23, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
I'm happy that the images work (for the most part) in Internet Explorer. I have to admit I have given up on the avatars.

My suggestion to people who are having avatar issues is to try and upload a *new* avatar and see if it displays properly. I suspect there is some type of image corruption issue in some of the avatar files that Internet Explorer refuses to work around.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 23, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
Is there a notification icon if we get a PM?
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 23, 2013, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: HarrySmith on December 23, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
Is there a notification icon if we get a PM?
At the top where the menu bar is:

Home Help Search Profile My Messages Calendar Members Logout

if you have a message it will show as:

Home Help Search Profile My Messages (1) Calendar Members Logout

The brackets will show the total number of new messages.

Dave H.

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 23, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
You get a number in a bracket after "MyMessages" in the drop down bar.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Bridie on December 23, 2013, 01:02:55 PM
I believe the avatars that aren't loading for people are .png format.  That was the problem with mine.  I resaved it as a .jpg, reuploaded to my profile and all is well.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 23, 2013, 01:09:01 PM
On behalf of all the Rotary Phone Forum Users, I would like to thank Dave Z. for this wonderful Christmas present!

Dave has most of the bugs worked out, and the new board should hopefully allow us to get our email notifications going again in time, and if you read through the Simple Machines site, you will note there are a number of security and other improvements.

Dave managed to do it without the loss of any data or messages, and that is always a fear when upgrading software. There had been a number of changes to the software since the last time the forum was upgraded. It seems the only loss was the odd avatar, and those can be replaced by the affected users.  Over time, this upgrade will allow the option of a number of improvements to the Forum.

So thanks to Dennis for talking Dave into doing the upgrade, and thanks to Dave for finding the time to do it.

Dave H.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Mr. Bones on December 23, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
Dave Z.,
     Thought I had ought to weigh in for the portable device crowd: all looks fine and well on my (work-issued) iPod 5.
Best regards!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 23, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
HERE, HERE ;D Many thanks to Dave Z. for doing this upgrade and for putting up with our whining 8)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: twocvbloke on December 23, 2013, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 23, 2013, 06:00:41 AMStrange. I have been using Firefox for many years and like Dennis, have never had any problem with it - none at all on several generations of machines. I changed to Firefox because of the problems I had previously had with IE, and would never go back (other than for brief tests).

Dave

For me it's been a memory hog (currently using 388MB for not a lot of work done!!), which is compounded by things like Adobe's products (Flash player, Shockwave, Acrobat Reader, and a few other things they can't code properly) taking up more memory and CPU time, and on an old laptop like what I have now, it's not very good at being snappy, but, like I say, it's better than IE or Chrome, and I'll recommend it to anyone who's looking to replace their browser... ;D

And at least it's a proper universal browser, if IE can't load certain images that are industry standards, then IE ain't a universal browser... ;)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 23, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
I really like the way the Red 302 comes up for new topics ;D
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: m1898 on December 23, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
I see you are still tweaking (notice I did say tweaking not twerking) the software. I now have a boarder around my info on right side above header.     Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 23, 2013, 10:52:31 PM
Jim: Everybody now has a border around their info at the top right of the header. That's what I wanted it to look like!  :)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: m1898 on December 23, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
I am starting to like the changes more. You are doing a good job. Thank you for your work.  Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 24, 2013, 02:46:59 AM
Is it me, or did the link to messages that used to be in the header vanish?  I do see another way to get to them via the menu ribbon.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: m1898 on December 24, 2013, 03:18:01 AM
Bill, if you are talking about "my messages" in the header, it is still on mine (at present).            Jim
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 24, 2013, 11:05:20 AM
I guess that there is no easy way to have PM info appear in the info box along with the numbers of unread posts and replies to posts....is there? Probably not but that would seem like an ideal place for it.

My thanks to Dave Z as well. I haven't been around here much for the last month and a half but I knew that the needed software upgrade had been bothering Dennis for awhile now. Thank you so much Dave for all of the time you put into making it happen, It is much appreciated by all of us CRPF "Regulars".

Merry Christmas,
Terry

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 24, 2013, 03:29:22 PM
There is a feature that will have new personal messages "pop up" if one is logged-in when the message is sent.  Works well.

It's under Profile>Modify Profile>Personal Messaging
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 24, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
It looks as though Dave is working on adding PM's to the info box. That will be nice to have everything there to check when first logging in.  Someone tell Dave to take it easy for a few days!

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 06:15:51 PM
I love a challenge Terry. It took me a while to figure out - deep in the code - how to add a module to show private messages in that top header login area. I'll have it done by nights end and have it looking good, too!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 24, 2013, 06:28:21 PM
That's great Dave though take a bit of down time over the next few days. Someone buy Dave a coffee! I know what oyu mean with loving a challenge though not with ANYTHING to do with IT for me!

We appreciate ALL of your "Over the Top" efforts here!

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 24, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
It looks as though Dave is working on adding PM's to the info box. That will be nice to have everything there to check when first logging in.
Finished! The private message indicator is now in the info box at the top right. Everything is in one spot!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 24, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 24, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
It looks as though Dave is working on adding PM's to the info box. That will be nice to have everything there to check when first logging in.
Finished! The private message indicator is now in the info box at the top right. Everything is in one spot!
Hi Gave:

Looks good. Just one little thing I notice that we had before and don't have now, but it is something that should be way down the list... Our Global Moderators used to show up in a different colour from normal members and now only the Admins do. Not that it makes much difference :)

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 24, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
Looks good. Just one little thing I notice that we had before and don't have now, but it is something that should be way down the list... Our Global Moderators used to show up in a different colour from normal members and now only the Admins do. Not that it makes much difference :)
Dave: Can you explain more clearly what colors you are referring to as I am not familiar enough with the old theme to know what you mean.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 24, 2013, 09:38:07 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 24, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
Looks good. Just one little thing I notice that we had before and don't have now, but it is something that should be way down the list... Our Global Moderators used to show up in a different colour from normal members and now only the Admins do. Not that it makes much difference :)
Dave: Can you explain more clearly what colors you are referring to as I am not familiar enough with the old theme to know what you mean.
Hi Dave:

It used to be that the moderators and global moderators would show in blue, while admins in red, and normal users in black at the bottom of the page in the user list, and in a number of other places. Now admins show red, and the moderators, global moderators and users all show as the same colours... For example in the list below, both Teleplay and myself are G. Moderators.

Also as in the next image, the Global Moderator used to be highlighted in colour... Excuse me, Terry for using yours as an example.....

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
Weird. Moderators show as bright blue when I am viewing the page as in the image below.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 10:05:03 PM
I tweaked the code a bit more and moderators now show as a brighter blue on the bottom of the page. Let me know if that looks OK to you!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 24, 2013, 10:18:52 PM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 10:05:03 PM
I tweaked the code a bit more and moderators now show as a brighter blue on the bottom of the page. Let me know if that looks OK to you!

Hi Dave:

That looks good now... I hate mentioning these little things - not exactly important  :)

Thanks,

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 25, 2013, 02:17:13 AM
Wouldn't the persons color on that "Users Online" thing have matched the color on the left side of posts below their user name? The 5 colored boxes. Admin is red there and Global Moderators are blue. The rest of the colors relate to number of posts I presume, Hero Member etc. Would sort of be nice if the colors matched in each place though as Dave says, really not a big deal.

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 25, 2013, 02:29:42 AM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 24, 2013, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 24, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
It looks as though Dave is working on adding PM's to the info box. That will be nice to have everything there to check when first logging in.
Finished! The private message indicator is now in the info box at the top right. Everything is in one spot!

That works great for me Dave and looks good as well. Thanks.

I quoted this previous post that already had a quote in it to illlistrate what it looks like when there are multiple levels of quotes in a message. The new software makes it look pretty good and relatively easy to follow but I wonder if it is neccesary to keeep adding more and more levels of quotes within a message. Some other forums automatically drop the oldest quote when a message with a quote in it already is again quoted. Is this a simple setting to accomplish? I don't think tha tmultiple levels of quotes are very often neccesary.

On a related subject, is it possible to have both a "quote" and a "reply" button on the top right of each post? Currently there is just the "quote" button on each post which leads to many unneccesary quotes of previous messages in new messages. There is only a straight "reply" button at the bottom of each page of posts and after the most recent post. PM messages DO have a "quote" and a "reply" button on each message.

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 25, 2013, 07:52:16 AM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 25, 2013, 02:29:42 AM
On a related subject, is it possible to have both a "quote" and a "reply" button on the top right of each post? Currently there is just the "quote" button on each post which leads to many unneccesary quotes of previous messages in new messages. There is only a straight "reply" button at the bottom of each page of posts and after the most recent post. PM messages DO have a "quote" and a "reply" button on each message.
This is an interesting idea. After thinking about it for a bit and tinkering with the backend code I can't quite figure out how to do it, to be honest with you.

I did read up on the concept a bit at the Simple Machines forum and one school of thought on the matter suggest that having a "Reply" button on each post would suggest to many users that they were replying to that particular post itself and not to the thread in general. In fact, I think that some other software for forums actually has threaded comments that can flow below a particular post and not as a generic component of the thread itself.

So, to me, it might not be the best idea. But be that as it may, I can't figure out how to do it anyway!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Mr. Bones on December 25, 2013, 08:57:53 AM
Quote from: AE_Collector on December 25, 2013, 02:29:42 AM
<snip>I wonder if it is necessary to keep adding more and more levels of quotes within a message. I don't think that multiple levels of quotes are very often necessary.</snip>
Terry
It is, in fact, not very often necessary. I'll happily post a tutorial on editing replies down to the essentials, should anyone wish it so.

Best regards, Terry, Sir!!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 25, 2013, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Bones on December 25, 2013, 08:57:53 AM
. . . I'll happily post a tutorial on editing replies down to the essentials . . .

That is a good point. Almost always a "quote" reply only refers to one point in the long post being quoted.

And, the reply button only at the end is fine for how can one really reply to a post in a topic thread until they have read the last comment?

IMHO, the quote and reply buttons are fine as they are now.

Just as cropping and sizing photos before posting them should be the norm, the norm for posting a quoted reply should be text editing so the next reader sees the point being made.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 25, 2013, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: TelePlay on December 25, 2013, 09:48:30 AM
That is a good point. Almost always a "quote" reply only refers to one point in the long post being quoted.

That is my thought as well.This is all my opinion only so any other thoughts are more than welcome to generate discussion.

I feel that in a way we are all contributing to a "story" here, a story about old/antique phones that in theory could survive in some form forever. Thus there is a reason to make the story a "good read" for each of us here now and in the future.

A good post adds to the discussion and may quote a previous post to clarify the exact part of the previous post that the reply is referring to....if necessary. Therefore if a quote is included it almost certainly should be stripped down to a sentence or two only, not the entire previous post. Doing this makes reading the topic a much better read.

If feel that if someone is writing something here they need to keep in mind that hundreds or thousands of people may invest their time in reading these comments in the future and with that in mind, one should probably spend a few extra seconds or a minute when writing their post to ensure that their comments are clear and easy to read. That would preclude doing a quote of the preceding post that is a paragraphs long. No one is going to actually re-read the post that was quoted in its entirety but they are going to have to take the extra fractions of a second scrolling past it all to get to the points in the new post and then they may have to pause to try to determine just which part of the preceding page long post your comments are referring to.

When replying to the very last post in a thread there is almost no reason to quote at all unless identifying via a very short quote the specific part of the post that you are referring to. I frequently remove unnecessary quotes from people's posts here just to save storage space and make the thread more readable. I have always felt that many of these quotes exist because the only easy way to add your two cents to a topic as you read through the posts is to use the quote button on the post since there isn't a reply button. If you wait until you get to the end of the topic where the reply button is you may have lost the thought by then. I would prefer to see one of each buttons on each post even though there is some validity to the thought that you should have read the entire topic before replying.

I have posted to a topic thinking that I was at the end of the discussion without realizing that there is another page of replies still to read. After reading these newer replies I see that my reply is now irrelevant so then I either modify or delete my post. I like the fact that we are able to modify our posts at any time whereas some other forums have a short timer for editing that expires preventing any further modifications to a post.

Terry
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 26, 2013, 04:35:03 AM
One thing I noticed tonight with larger photos, is they no longer open in a new window as they used to when clicked on. e.g. the payphone photo in:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10805.new#new (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10805.new#new)

Now, it is an over-sized photo, but using the older version of the software, if you clicked on it, it would have opened up a new window with the larger photo - seems to me even with his version it did until a couple of days ago.

However, not it just expands the photo as much as it can, and half of the photo is off the right hand side of the screen... Before, it would open up a new window over the main one showing the photo, and the photo could be scrolled to view all in that window. Click it again, the window closed and back to the default size. This makes if difficult to see/show details where necessary.

If the user has a long handle such as WesternElectricBen, it spaces it even more off the right hand side of the screen. There is still a scroll bar below the photo, but there is less screen space to show what is visible since the photo doesn't begin until after the area reserved for user information on the left.

Is there an option to allow the oversize photos to open in a new browser window as before?

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 26, 2013, 06:23:33 AM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 26, 2013, 04:35:03 AM
One thing I noticed tonight with larger photos, is they no longer open in a new window as they used to when clicked on. e.g. the payphone photo in:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10805.new#new (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10805.new#new)
I noticed that change too Dave. After a quick check of the configuration settings in the admin area of the forum I don't see any behavior that will make those images open in a new window.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 26, 2013, 07:51:27 AM
Quote from: Dave Zemens on December 26, 2013, 06:23:33 AM
I noticed that change too Dave. After a quick check of the configuration settings in the admin area of the forum I don't see any behavior that will make those images open in a new window.
Could it have been the change in default size of images showing on the forum as per your message to me December 23, 2013, 11:52:36 AM? I( always thought that setting only changed the display size of the image tags HTML-wise, its width="", height="" as it displays on the page, and didn't actually alter the physical size of the image..

Dave H.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 26, 2013, 07:54:52 AM
It might have been, but that tweak seems to make the images available to folks using Internet Explorer - or at least it might be a factor in their ability to see the images.

Everything is a trade off with website programming. Every site visitor has different browser software, different device sizes (let alone the move to handheld devices), different resolutions on their monitors, different settings within their particular browser, etc.

It's a nightmare. :-)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 08:47:14 AM
Dave (PEI) you're on the right track with "Height = X" and "Width = X".  I had increased those values a few days ago because a member was having trouble uploading a photo.  He kept getting an error message saying that the photo didn't pass "security" or some such language.  He e-mailed the photo to me and I also got the same error message.  I increased the parameters of the height/width values thinking his photo was too large---which it wasn't.  I thought the parameters in the settings was a restriction on the size allowed by the software during upload.

Changing the values this morning, the payphone photo opens in a new pane but appears sideways.  But looking at another, random photo on the forum....

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10085.0

The photo in reply #35, the two Brown phones opens in a new pane and is positioned properly---on my browser.

The question is, what are the appropriate values that should be put in for Height & Width?  A "0" disables all limitations but does not allow the photo to open in a separate pane.

Currently:  W=1000, H= 950

Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 26, 2013, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: DavePEI on December 26, 2013, 04:35:03 AM
One thing I noticed tonight with larger photos, is they no longer open in a new window as they used to when clicked on. e.g. the payphone photo in:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10805.new#new (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10805.new#new)

Well, using Firefox on my notebook machine, I clicked on the link which opened up in a new window as usual, then clicked on the photo and it opened up in a new window but the photo was rotated 90 degrees and squished. Clicking on that squished photo expanded it to full size and correct aspect in that box. Screen shot attached.

But, the 2nd, 3rd and 5th photo in this contest exhibit the expand in window and cut off on right side DavePEI noticed in his post about this.

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10248.0


Seems to be too many moving parts at times, doesn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 26, 2013, 08:56:02 AM
Hi Dennis:

As you say now, which sizes would be appropriate. I notice the original photo appears oriented correctly in IE now but as you say, sideways in Firefox. It is almost as though it fits into the provided space better sideways. At any rate, it is now possible to easily view it to see the details, and I guess that is the main thing we were looking for. As Dave Z. says, there are so many differences between different browsers, we will never get it perfect. I guess the main thing is to try to ensure as many users as possible will see it correctly.. Thanks,

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 09:01:26 AM
So Dave, do you think it is better to leave the variables at "0" for no restriction, or leave it with X values which means occasionally a photo may appear "sideways"?  In the current configuration, at least on my Firefox browser most of the photos, when enlarged open in the new pane and are positioned correctly.  With "0" values, the photos enlarge, positioned properly but do not open in a separate pane.  The result could be the edge cut off as you explained earlier.  However when I see them the edge is not cut off.  Maybe because of the wide monitor that I have?? 

~Dennis
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 26, 2013, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 09:01:26 AM
So Dave, do you think it is better to leave the variables at "0" for no restriction, or leave it with X values which means occasionally a photo may appear "sideways"?  In the current configuration, at least on my Firefox browser most of the photos, when enlarged open in the new pane and are positioned correctly.  With "0" values, the photos enlarge, positioned properly but do not open in a separate pane.  The result could be the edge cut off as you explained earlier.  However when I see them the edge is not cut off.  Maybe because of the wide monitor that I have?? 

~Dennis
Why don't we leave it is now, and try it for a few days... My monitor is set for 1280x1024, and there will be lots with narrower screens, so this might be the best option. As you say, most photos now display correctly.... Seems there is no "Magic" answer which will work with all, but this isn't oo bad...

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 26, 2013, 09:10:05 AM
This is the link where I tried to downsize the photos, all 5 of them. Did so on the first 3 but could not upload the last 2 (got the security error) so put the full sized photos back up. The smaller ones open up in the same window but the right side is cut off. Are they cut off for you on your wide screen, Dennis? The last two open up in a new window and are not rotated (all in Firefox).

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10812.msg115462#msg115462
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 26, 2013, 09:10:48 AM
@Dennis: Where are you modifying those settings at?
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
Dave...

Admin>Features & Options>Layout
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 10:25:34 AM
@John, the 1st three open in the same window (on the page) but enlarge and are not cut off.  The last 2 open in a separate pane.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 26, 2013, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 10:25:34 AM
@John, the 1st three open in the same window (on the page) but enlarge and are not cut off.  The last 2 open in a separate pane.

Dennis, that answers that one question. I just opened that link on my laptop (has a wider screen). The first 3 enlarged in the topic window but less was cut off (just lost far right side of the base instead of half the base as seen on my notebook) and the last 2 opened up normally in a new window. So, it is a function of screen size, along with whatever parameters are being adjusted in the software.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Phonesrfun on December 26, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
@ Dave Zemens:

Has any of all this telephone collecting stuff caught on yet?  It is contagious, you know!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 26, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 26, 2013, 10:25:34 AM
@John, the 1st three open in the same window (on the page) but enlarge and are not cut off.  The last 2 open in a separate pane.

Dennis,

Just opened up that link on my desktop with a wide screen display. The 1st 3 enlarged in the topic window and the full picture was seen, nothing was cut off. The last 2 opened up in another window. Screen size is a factor.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 26, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
@Bill:  I briefly collected some Western Electric phones about five years ago. I've still got five or six in the basement, fully restored, even one that was restored by none other than Dennis Markham.

I'm afraid they're not living as good a life down in the basement as many of the phones I see displayed much more prominently in their homes.  :(
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: david@london on December 26, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
dave -
i think the dennis phone should be put on at least the ground floor..........
....the more time you spend tweaking crpf, the more you'll know that you want at least one rotary for daily use.

every change yr implementing is making it better........the new blue topic headings on the home page are a big improvement on the grey.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dave Zemens on December 26, 2013, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: david@london on December 26, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
every change yr implementing is making it better........the new blue topic headings on the home page are a big improvement on the grey.

You noticed!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Doug Rose on December 26, 2013, 05:55:42 PM
Dave...outstanding effort!! We are extremely happy with all your hard work....Doug
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: HarrySmith on December 26, 2013, 09:54:31 PM
Great work Dave ;D The more you "tweak" the better it gets! Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: unbeldi on December 30, 2013, 12:45:42 AM
Apparently the new software is not configured properly to accept PNG images. I had to convert an image to JPEG format.


TEST1:
Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator.

TEST2, different image:  OK

Reducing the image in test 1 to 1000 pixels width was successful.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: TelePlay on December 30, 2013, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: unbeldi on December 30, 2013, 12:45:42 AM
Apparently the new software is not configured properly to accept PNG images. I had to convert an image to JPEG format.

I'm not sure of what's been going on with this issue which was discovered by a few members just before Christmas. Several posts were made about it starting about here in the update topic:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=10803.msg115671#msg115671

It seemed to have been an intermittent problem with several variables including which browser was being used. I do not know if it has been completely resolved or not as of this point in time.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AdamAnt316 on December 30, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
The new update looks pretty good, so far. I do have one question: is there a way to change the order in which posts are displayed within a thread? The current setting seems to be latest post first, unlike the previous version of software used by the forum (and, indeed, just about every other forum I'm on) where the view is oldest post first. Sorry if this has been answered already, but I find it difficult to view threads this way, and wasn't able to find any options related to it in my user profile.
-Adam
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: david@london on December 30, 2013, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: AdamAnt316 on December 30, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
I do have one question: is there a way to change the order in which posts are displayed within a thread?

adam -

login....... go to profile. 

modify profile > look and layout > scroll down + uncheck box marked 'show most recent posts at the top' ........scroll down + click 'change profile' box.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 30, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
Adam,

Hover the cursor over "Profile" in the blue strip below the banner area.

From the drop-down box select "Forum Profile"

Hover the cursor over the red "Modify Profile"

From that drop-down box select "Look and Layout"

Uncheck the box that reads "show most recent posts at the top"

Got the lower right hand side of the page and select "Change Profile".
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 30, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
David, looks like we both posted at the same time.  That ought to do it.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AdamAnt316 on December 30, 2013, 08:53:00 PM
Thanks, David and Dennis! That did the trick. Now I have to figure out how I managed to miss the "Look and Layout" menu..........  :-[
-Adam
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Nick in Manitou on December 31, 2013, 09:10:27 AM
Adam,

There are several of us that have had to have assistance finding these settings.  I looked quite carefully and couldn't find it until someone laid out the steps for me.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Dennis Markham on December 31, 2013, 09:56:49 AM
The changes are new to us all.  One just has to look around a little and discover the differences.  There are some good improvements over the old version.  Eventually they will become familiar.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: Contempra on December 31, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 31, 2013, 09:56:49 AM
The changes are new to us all.  One just has to look around a little and discover the differences.  There are some good improvements over the old version.  Eventually they will become familiar.

yes because i'm here since more a year and htis is the first time I can receive an email for what I suscribed and I also think about the color between the old and the new forum....The day and the night :D.. thank you Dennis Markham. You think to us all...sorry for the bad English...
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: wds on December 31, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
Is it possible to delete a topic that I've created?  I started one, then tried to delete it since it was in the wrong category.  I hit the delete button, but it's still there.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 31, 2013, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: wds on December 31, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
I started one, then tried to delete it since it was in the wrong category.
Am I safe to assume it was the one about tip pliers? If so, I moved it to the tool area... I have a pair of these, too...

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: wds on December 31, 2013, 01:52:01 PM
Yes - so can I assume that we can not delete a topic once it is posted?
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: DavePEI on December 31, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Quote from: wds on December 31, 2013, 01:52:01 PM
Yes - so can I assume that we can not delete a topic once it is posted?
I stand to be corrected, but I believe you used to be able to - you can delete a post. But if I remember correctly, a while back, someone decided to delete a bunch of topics he had posted in, including other's postings, so that ability was removed...

Dave
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: wds on December 31, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
Ok, I remember that now.  thanks for moving my Pliers topic to the correct category.
Title: Re: Forum Software Update
Post by: AE_Collector on December 31, 2013, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: Dennis Markham on December 30, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
David, looks like we both posted at the same time.  That ought to do it.


Good thing it isn't a toggle on/off function or Adam would have reversed it twice and have been wondering why it didn't change!

Terry