AECo Bakelite Era Phones - Base Codes & Patent Numbers Survey

[recrum]

https://picasaweb.google.com/103615949723585341984/AEType40?authuser=0&feat=directlink

[AE_Collector]

Thanks Recrum, I have it printed out and will contact you if I have questions. I am getting quite a few of these records into an Excel sheet now so one day I will take a stab at deciphering it all.

A quick check of my spreadsheet shows that the "A0" code that both of your phones have is consistent with Numbers Only Dials where the numbers are black on white porcelain.

All contributions are welcome. It is a bit of work to fill in the Code Survey Sheet but it is also an opportunity to check out in detail and create a record of your AE phones for the future.

Terry

[recrum]

It was a great idea, you starting this thread.  I was educational for me as well.  Gave me a chance to really get in there to check out all the numbers on everything.  It was doing your survey that I noticed the smaller capacitor in the upper half was labeled "test".  If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a message.

~Richard

[Argee]

here's what I have for my three 40s and one 34.

https://webspace.utexas.edu/gatesrr/www/AE_Survey_Form.pdf

[AE_Collector]

That's great Argee, thanks for doing that. You guys will keep me busy later this afternoon when I transfer all the data into the Excel sheet.

Terry

[AE_Collector]

Okay Argee, got your info entered and have a few questions.

Phone 1 AE 34:
Des number is just 5 digits 86263?

Phone 4 AE 40 with ype 38 handset:
Dial is type 24 so it clicks when you wind it up, correct?

Clicking on wind up versus quiet wind up is all I know about differences in the Type 24 vs Type 24A36 dials. I guess I should try to figure out all the other later models one day. If anyone has any sort of list of AE dial types let me know. Type 51 next but how do you tell it from the 24A36? What came after 51 etc....

And a few more questions across the board. I need to add these to the sheet:
Do plain (non metal banded) caps on Type 41 handset have grooves routed in or are they smooth?
Ringer Left Coil Number
Ringer Right Coil Number
Ringer Ohms
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?
Capacitor MF's marked?
Capacitor Part Number?

Argee: If you have time to answer any of these questions it will be appreciated but don't worry about it if you don't have the time.

Terry

[Kenny C]

Common AE Model # ------------------ 40
Color of phone / handset ------------- Black Bakelite
Base Code section 1 -------------------L 4123
Base Code section 2 ------------------- B20
Base Code section 3 -------------------YK7
D Number from Gold Decal ------------- 177 876
Number of Patent #'s on Decal -------- 6
USA or Canadian Made -----------------  Chicago 7
Handset Trim finish --------------------- Black
Dial Fingerwheel ------------------------  Black
Dial Number Card Description----------- standard white
Cradle Buttons finish ------------------- black bakelite
Has Carry Bar or Plunger Blocks ------- Carry bar
Carry Bar / Blocks Finish --------------- Black
If Blocks, hole in side for handle -------N/A
Handset Cord is Coil or Straight ------ Coil
Handset Cord Material ------------------ Vynil
Set Cord Material ------------------------ Vynil
Style of Dial Number Plate ----------- Alphanumeric, Red numbers black letters
Inside Wiring Cloth or Plastic ----------- cloth
Metal Dial Mount Ring (40) --------- No
Dial Model Number ---------------------- Kellogg 15G. It came without a dial and I added it.
Ringer Type & Frequency -------------- frequency 66.6
Ringer Assembly Number -------------- D-56465-E
Induction Coil Number ----------------- D282996A
Phone Owner or Where Seen --------- Kenny C
Ringer Left Coil Number--------- D-281390-B
Ringer Right Coil Number-----------D-281389-B
Ringer Ohms--------------- N/A
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?-------- 2 in 1
Capacitor MF's marked?------------ .4 MF
Capacitor Part Number-------------- D68640A

[AE_Collector]

Thanks Kenny, I'll add that to the data base. Now that you mention the black bakelite plunger buttons you have me thinking about that. There are some black plunger buttons but aren't they brass painted black? Quite often the very top end is worn from the handset resting on them and you can see that they are brass inside. Let me know if you think yours are bakelite.

Thanks again......Terry

[Kenny C]

I just tested the tops they are definitely Bakelite. They have gotten dull over the years.

Glad I could help.

[Argee]

Phone 1 AE 34:
Des number is just 5 digits 86263?
correct


Phone 4 AE 40 with type 38 handset:
Dial is type 24 so it clicks when you wind it up, correct?
right

About phone 3, (TY7).  The earpiece has 4 holes rather than the usual 8. 

both type 41 handsets are smooth, all AE 40s have 2 in 1 capacitors. 

[Argee]

sorry for the double post, here's what I have on my AE50.  I'll get the ringer and capacitor info on the others before long.

Common AE Model # ------------------ 50
Color of phone / handset ------------- Black Bakelite
Base Code section 1 -------------------L 5100
Base Code section 2 ------------------- ESL
Base Code section 3 -------------------HU4
D Number from Gold Decal ------------- 730504-B23
Number of Patent #'s on Decal -------- 8
USA or Canadian Made -----------------  Chicago 7
Handset Trim finish --------------------- smooth Black
Dial Fingerwheel ------------------------  Black
Dial Number Card Description----------- missing
Cradle Buttons finish ------------------- Chrome
Has Carry Bar or Plunger Blocks ------- N/A
Carry Bar / Blocks Finish --------------- N/A
If Blocks, hole in side for handle -------N/A
Handset Cord is Coil or Straight ------ Coil
Handset Cord Material ------------------ Rubber?
Set Cord Material ------------------------ missing
Style of Dial Number Plate ----------- Alphanumeric, Red numbers black letters
Inside Wiring Cloth or Plastic ----------- cloth
Metal Dial Mount Ring (40) --------- N/A
Dial Model Number ---------------------- 24A36
Ringer Type & Frequency -------------- frequency 33.3
Ringer Assembly Number -------------- D-56516-C
Induction Coil Number ----------------- D282996A
Phone Owner or Where Seen --------- Argee
Ringer Left Coil Number--------- D-283750-A
Ringer Right Coil Number-----------D-283749-A
Ringer Ohms--------------- 2000
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?-------- 2 in 1
Capacitor MF's marked?------------ .2
Capacitor Part Number-------------- D68648A

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Terry-

Common AE Model # ------------------ 43
Color of phone / handset ------------- Black metal, black 41 handset
Base Code section 1 -------------------N/A
Base Code section 2 -------------------N/A
Base Code section 3 -------------------N/A
D Number from Gold Decal ------------- No decal , Red stamp on base cover
Number of Patent #'s on Decal -------- 9 numbers, no Des
USA or Canadian Made -----------------  Chicago USA
Handset Trim finish --------------------- Black , no bands & no grooves
Dial Fingerwheel ------------------------ N/A
Dial Number Card Description----------- N/A
Cradle Buttons finish ------------------- N/A
Has Carry Bar or Plunger Blocks ------- N/A
Carry Bar / Blocks Finish --------------- N/A
If Blocks, hole in side for handle -------N/A
Handset Cord is Coil or Straight ------ Coiled handset cord
Handset Cord Material ------------------ Blk. Vynil
Set Cord Material ------------------------ none
Style of Dial Number Plate --------------- N/A
Inside Wiring Cloth or Plastic ------------- Plastic
Metal Dial Mount Ring (40) --------- No
Dial Model Number ---------------------- Non- dial unit
Ringer Type & Frequency --------------- No ringer
Ringer Assembly Number --------------- N/A
Induction Coil Number ------------------ D-282996-A
Phone Owner or Where Seen ---------- stub
Ringer Left Coil Number----------------
Ringer Right Coil Number---------------                      
Ringer Ohms------------------------
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?------2 seperate
Capacitor MF's marked?------------ 1 mF and 5 mf
Capacitor Part Number--------------( 1mf) D-68247-B  (5mf) D-68258-A               stub

[stub]

Terry -
Common AE Model # ------------------ 44
Color of phone / handset ------------- Black metal, black 41 handset
Base Code section 1 -------------------L- 644
Base Code section 2 -------------------A O
Base Code section 3 -------------------N/A
D Number from Gold Decal ------------- No decal
Number of Patent #'s on Decal --------
USA or Canadian Made -----------------  Chicago USA
Handset Trim finish --------------------- Black , no bands & no grooves
Dial Fingerwheel ------------------------ Blk painted brass
Dial Number Card Description----------- Blk. backgrd.& lg. # area
Cradle Buttons finish ------------------- N/A
Has Carry Bar or Plunger Blocks ------- N/A
Carry Bar / Blocks Finish --------------- N/A
If Blocks, hole in side for handle -------N/A
Handset Cord is Coil or Straight ------ Coiled handset cord
Handset Cord Material ------------------ Blk.Vynil
Set Cord Material ------------------------ none
Style of Dial Number Plate --------------- Blk. # only , and gray face
Inside Wiring Cloth or Plastic ------------- Cloth
Metal Dial Mount Ring (40) --------- No
Dial Model Number ---------------------- D-604     ( 24A36)
Ringer Type & Frequency --------------- S.L.
Ringer Assembly Number --------------- D-56462-A
Induction Coil Number ------------------ D-282996-A
Phone Owner or Where Seen ---------- stub
Ringer Left Coil Number---------------- D-281365-B
Ringer Right Coil Number--------------- D-281350-B            
Ringer Ohms------------------------700 ohms
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?------2 seperate
Capacitor MF's marked?------------ 1 mF and 5 mf
Capacitor Part Number--------------( 1mf) D-68247-B  (5mf) D-68258-A               stub

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Terry,
Common AE Model # ------------------ 40
Color of phone / handset ------------- Black metal, black 41 handset
Base Code section 1 -------------------N 4023
Base Code section 2 -------------------A 6
Base Code section 3 -------------------J R 7  not sure looks like 7
D Number from Gold Decal ------------- D-780504-A18
Number of Patent #'s on Decal -------- 11  + Des
USA or Canadian Made -----------------  Chicago 7 USA
Handset Trim finish --------------------- Black with chrome bands ( I replaced plain covers with chrome )
Dial Fingerwheel ------------------------ Chrome
Dial Number Card Description----------- Blk. backgrd.& sm. # area
Cradle Buttons finish ------------------- chrome
Has Carry Bar or Plunger Blocks ------- Carry bar
Carry Bar / Blocks Finish --------------- Chrome
If Blocks, hole in side for handle -------N/A
Handset Cord is Coil or Straight ------ Straight
Handset Cord Material ------------------ Rubber
Set Cord Material ------------------------ Vynil ( my  replacement)
Style of Dial Number Plate --------------- Blk. # only , and white face
Inside Wiring Cloth or Plastic ------------- Cloth
Metal Dial Mount Ring (40) --------- No
Dial Model Number ---------------------- None     ( 24A36)
Ringer Type & Frequency --------------- Frequency  30~  ( Drawing is stamped at 20~ )
Ringer Assembly Number --------------- D-56465-G
Induction Coil Number ------------------ D-282996-A
Phone Owner or Where Seen ---------- stub
Ringer Left Coil Number---------------- D-281354-B
Ringer Right Coil Number--------------- D-281353-B            
Ringer Ohms----------------------------1.28 K ohms ( measured with meter)
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?------2 seperate and 2 in one ( using one side on base capacitor )  Came this way. Probably done at refurbishers
Capacitor MF's marked?------------ 1 mf( on the side of shell) and on the base .08 mf
Capacitor Part Number--------------( 1mf) D-68247-B  (.08mf) D-68666-A               stub

[Russ Kirk]

Here 's mine,

Common AE Model # ------------------ 40
Color of phone / handset ------------- Black Bakelite
Base Code section 1 -------------------L 4123
Base Code section 2 ------------------- E50
Base Code section 3 -------------------RY7
D Number from Gold Decal ------------- 177 876
Number of Patent #'s on Decal -------- 8
USA or Canadian Made -----------------  Chicago 7
Handset Trim finish --------------------- Black
Dial Fingerwheel ------------------------  Black
Dial Number Card Description----------- copy
Cradle Buttons finish ------------------- Chrome
Has Carry Bar or Plunger Blocks ------- Carry bar
Carry Bar / Blocks Finish --------------- Black
If Blocks, hole in side for handle -------N/A
Handset Cord is Coil or Straight ------ Straight
Handset Cord Material ------------------ Vinyl
Set Cord Material ------------------------ n/a
Style of Dial Number Plate ----------- Alphanumeric, Red numbers black letters
Inside Wiring Cloth or Plastic ----------- cloth
Metal Dial Mount Ring (40) --------- No
Dial Model Number ---------------------- 821G
Ringer Type & Frequency -------------- frequency 50
Ringer Assembly Number -------------- D-56516-D
Induction Coil Number ----------------- D282996A
Phone Owner or Where Seen --------- Bought in Cloverdale CA in 1997, Owned by Russ Kirk
Ringer Left Coil Number--------- D-287350-A
Ringer Right Coil Number-----------D-283749-A
Ringer Ohms--------------- 2000
Capacitor(s) 2 seperate or 2 in 1?-------- 2 in 1
Capacitor MF's marked?------------ .4 MF
Capacitor Part Number-------------- D686665A


Thanks,
Russ