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Telephone Identification, Repair & Restoration => Telephone Wiring Diagrams => Western Electric 300 Series Wiring Diagrams => Topic started by: Dan/Panther on March 22, 2009, 11:11:11 PM

Title: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 22, 2009, 11:11:11 PM
I hate getting out my Chinese copy of a 302 Each time I want to wire one up, so I'm working on a diagram. It might not be correct as it stands  now, so don't rely on it until I finish, and confirm accuracy.
D/P

Please note this is the final updated draft. If you find any problem please let me know as soon as possible.
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: McHeath on March 22, 2009, 11:21:48 PM
You have a Chinese copy of a 302???  What's the story on that?
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 22, 2009, 11:41:38 PM
Chinese copy is  referring to opening up another 302 to compare the wiring. Not China related.
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: McHeath on March 23, 2009, 12:46:07 AM
Ahh.
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 23, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
By the updated copy of the diagram, you can probably tell I'm planning a second drawing of the case that you can lay next to the base diagram to get a complete phone wire diagram.
This may seem overly simplistic, but a schematic can sometimes confuse, and mistakes can be made. With a color coded diagram, I refer to it as idiot proof.
I learned to follow colors early on in life.

D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: HobieSport on March 23, 2009, 01:49:48 PM
Great chart, D/P.  Very neat and easy to read. :)
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dennis Markham on March 23, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
Dan, I meant to comment earlier.  That is a great diagram and will be very helpful.  Thanks for taking the time to do that for all of us.  I agree that reading schematics can be difficult.
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 23, 2009, 03:11:36 PM
I really enjoy the hobby, and wish I had gotten into it years ago.
I just hate taking apart one phone to wire another.  Someday the 302 will be as easy as the 500, but right now the diagram fits the bill.
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Sargeguy on March 23, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
302 as easy as the 500?  Don't you mean the other way around?  ;)  All my 302's work.  About half my refurbished 500s have issues.

I like the diagram but I usually reverse the ringer wires from what you have, although it probably doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 23, 2009, 06:55:03 PM
Sargeguy;
I will change the diagram as everyone sees fit.
I figured since 500's have the black connected to the Green incomming line, I would just cut down on confusion and wire 302's the same way. I think it's like the white hanset wires, either way doesn't matter but it's easier to remember black to green.
Any comments ?
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: HobieSport on March 23, 2009, 07:04:33 PM
That chart is so crisp, clear and useful, D/P.  Are you going to make more charts, for a WE500, etc.? 8)
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: BDM on March 23, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
As already stated, good chart Dan
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Sargeguy on March 23, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
I for one would love to see a 500 schematic.  Or a 304/354
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 23, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
As soon as I finish the 302, and get group approval as far as how it's done and accuracy, I will then start on a 500, beyond that I will need help. I have AE40, Red Bar, but any others I will need schematic.
It's really fun doing the chart.

D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Sargeguy on March 23, 2009, 10:19:21 PM
I vote for Princess phone ;D
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 23, 2009, 10:55:04 PM
I've only had one Princess open, to fix a dial.  It can't be that difficult.
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 23, 2009, 11:04:51 PM
Sargeguy;
How's this for starters...?
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: bingster on March 23, 2009, 11:08:02 PM
That's uncanny. Mine's shaped exactly like that. :o
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dennis Markham on March 23, 2009, 11:28:58 PM
Sargeguy, here's the wiring diagram for the 304C which includes the 354 ---at least it's one I have used in the past.

http://telephonecollectors.org/library/weco/354.pdf
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Sargeguy on March 23, 2009, 11:30:09 PM
Is that a 701 or a 702?  I can't tell.
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Sargeguy on March 23, 2009, 11:34:14 PM
Thanks Dennis, that's the one I usually use.  It's requires too much concentration. 
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dennis Markham on March 24, 2009, 12:16:30 AM
Would you like a copy of my Wiring Diagram for Dummies?  It's easier to read than the schematic.
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 24, 2009, 12:43:49 AM
Dennis;
Hey! I heard that..... :o


Sargeguy;
It's a 701B.
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dennis Markham on March 24, 2009, 12:56:05 AM
I didin't mean easier than YOUR schematic, I meant easier than the one on the TCI technical page.
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 24, 2009, 01:10:51 AM
Well, I will admit, I did call my diagram "IDIOT PROOF".. that's for Dummies I guess.
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 24, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
Since the Princess was made primarily for the distaff portion of our species, it was not to difficult to finish the wiring diagram...
D/P :o :o

Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Sargeguy on March 24, 2009, 01:39:40 AM
If only it were that simple.  What about the ringer?  The transformer?
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: McHeath on March 24, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
But wait, my wire to plug into the wall comes out on the other side!!!  Now what?????? :D
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 24, 2009, 02:18:04 PM
McHeath;
Turn your phone around....
D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Ellen on March 24, 2009, 06:56:44 PM
yuk, yuk says the distaff. 
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on March 24, 2009, 09:53:14 PM
Ellen;

I knew you would see the humor in that....

D/P
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: carl on April 09, 2009, 06:15:18 PM
I'm a real amateur at this.My wiring is a bit different,in that surrounding the 101a there are two terminals on top at either side,two
lower down on either side and three at the bottom.The phone does say 5302 and I'm not sure if this is a realistic code.Thanks again,Carl
Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: bingster on April 09, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
Please post all further responses to the 5302 ringing problem to the following thread, already in progress:

http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=889


Title: Re: 302 two wire ringer diagram.
Post by: Dan/Panther on April 10, 2009, 04:09:44 PM
I have updated the original diagram, and drew it according to Dennis' written directions.
D/P

This is a final draft, and it does now agree with Dennis' diagram also.
D/P