C-Net Dailing Help

[Fabius]

I'm trying to call some numbers in the UK. For example the directory entry:

(0) 037   S.Lancs Radiophone 2233     First STD Call  Made by H.M. The Queen from Bristol in 1958. 24/7 

The C-NET site says: Non-UK callers replace initial '0' with +44

I've tried several combinations but to no avail. How would I dial the above from the US?

[unbeldi]

It should simply be 440372233, I believe.  But it is up to each C-Net node to determine any prefixes that may be necessary to reach certain networks.  For example, I believe, some  nodes implement the 011 prefix for international calls, just like the PSTN does.  I believe, UK C*Net configurations use different conventions for calling UK numbers, in this case that might be  00372233.

On the PSTN, in many countries (other than the NANP) leading double-zero sequences indicate to the central office system to select an "outside" trunk, i.e. a trunk to an exchange outside the local calling area.  This is need is indicated by the (0).

[Fabius]

It should simply be 440372233, I believe.    ...might be  00372233.

I tried both. On the first I get a recording before I get the all the number in. With the second number I get a "Welcome to the Collector's Network" recording then ring back tone.

[unbeldi]

Well.... it is the wild west. You should talk to the provider of your numbers.  If I were providing such service, I would have some dial plan documentation available.

[Fabius]

Well.... it is the wild west. You should talk to the provider of your numbers.  If I were providing such service, I would have some dial plan documentation available.

Will do. I'll post what he says.

[xhausted110]

011+440372233 should work.

[unbeldi]

011+440372233 should work.

Probably not,  a + character should never be dialed, even if it were possible.

[twocvbloke]

For real telephone networks, to call, say, 01911234567 from the US/Canada it's 011441911234567, whether this format has been put into place on C*Net though, I don't know as I've never used it...

[unbeldi]

For real telephone networks, to call, say, 01911234567 from the US/Canada it's 011441911234567, whether this format has been put into place on C*Net though, I don't know as I've never used it...

It is not really an issue of C*Net, but how each node defines its own dial plan. There are no standards and nothing is enforced. C*Net is more like the conglomerate of independent telephone companies before the nationwide network was unified under the NANP in the US and CA.
All that C*net provides is a numbering plan and directory look-up service based on ENUM which translates the telephone numbers into URIs that specify the host and service that is supposed to handle the destination number (kind of like Google, but not like Google). It is based on the Domain Name System.

The preferred method of connecting to C*Net is definitely to run your own node. Then one can define their own dial plan and interconnect other local systems.

[xhausted110]

011+440372233 should work.

Probably not,  a + character should never be dialed, even if it were possible.

You're joking, right? + means and, so if I say 011+440372233 I mean dial 011440372233. Every U.S. C*net system I have used (several dozen) uses 011 and the country code and number.

[unbeldi]

011+440372233 should work.

Probably not,  a + character should never be dialed, even if it were possible.

You're joking, right? + means and, so if I say 011+440372233 I mean dial 011440372233. Every U.S. C*net system I have used (several dozen) uses 011 and the country code and number.

+ does not mean "and", and it is not proper format to embed it inside a number.
The plus sign when written in front of a telephone number means that the number following it already includes an international dialing prefix of a country (in the first few digits), and that the number conforms to E.164 ITU recommendation.  By inference, therefore, it alerts the user to use any prefixes necessary in the local dial plan to reach an appropriate trunk circuit, such as 011.

However, some system exist in which one can in fact dial the + (cell phone network?), and some voip systems that don't operate by a dial pad (directory calling) and the system automatically selects the appropriate trunk routing.

[compubit]

What I understand is that the + is the international symbol for "call using an international trunk". It's frequently used in cell phones (as noted above). Cell phone systems understand that symbol and are smart enough to select the correct call path.

When programming phone numbers into my cell phone, I program US numbers as +13115551222. If in the US, the carriers replace the +1 with a null value and then connect to the 10 digits following. If I'm in Europe, the local cell provider replaces the + with the appropriate trunk code for international dialing (frequently 00 in Europe, but not standardized world-wide), then uses the 1 to direct to the Norh American Numbering Plan (NANP) countries and then dials the local number from there.

Clear as mud, huh?

Jim

[unbeldi]

What I understand is that the + is the international symbol for "call using an international trunk". It's frequently used in cell phones (as noted above). Cell phone systems understand that symbol and are smart enough to select the correct call path.

When programming phone numbers into my cell phone, I program US numbers as +13115551222. If in the US, the carriers replace the +1 with a null value and then connect to the 10 digits following. If I'm in Europe, the local cell provider replaces the + with the appropriate trunk code for international dialing (frequently 00 in Europe, but not standardized world-wide), then uses the 1 to direct to the Norh American Numbering Plan (NANP) countries and then dials the local number from there.

Clear as mud, huh?

Jim

Very clear, and that is what the plus sign convention had intended.

[Fabius]

011+440372233 should work.

It works! Thanks. Tried some calls to other European numbers and used the 011+ before the country code and number and those calls worked.

[xhausted110]

You're welcome.