Space Saver - Dial and screw size - Wiring?

[Lewes2]

Hi All -

I managed to pick up a space saver 43A/G1 which arrived last Friday.  My first one.  These are rather fun since they have more mechanical moving parts although I can see repainting it is going to be a major challenge! (all those parts on the dial mount)

This phone has a 5H dial with a date stamp of I-42.  However the governor is stamped 56L so I assume it was rebuilt then.

OK, first question, although it's a 5H dial, it has an open center clear finger plate - But as I twist it around past nine to remove it, there is no tiny hole in which to stick the paper clip or other tool.  Nothing.  (see photos)  I am beginning to think this finger plate is simply jammed on but thought I would check here first.  Any suggestions for removing it?

Second question - the rear dial cover has two screw holes but I am missing the lower screw which holds the cover on.  It goes all the way through to I believe the dial itself.  I assume this is the same screw size as say used with a 5H dial in a 302 , only longer.  Is this correct?  Anyone know the exact size of this screw?  (yellow circle in the photo)

I plan to use a 685A subset - to go along with the G handset.  I think I read the wiring for connecting this dial and phone with the subset is identical or very similar to connecting a 202 with a 685A subset using a 5-conductor cord.  True? 

As usual, thanks for your help!

Chuck

[poplar1]

Screw is a 4-36 same length as the other two. Wires the same as a 202 to a 685A with 5 conductors. You have to move the black handset wire to B terminal in the 211 telephone.

This must be the 2nd type finger wheel for 5H, c. 1947-1952.  If you look on the left side of the dial, between the finger wheel and the number plate, you'll see a small metal tab. You can use a screwdriver or other flat object parallel to the number plate to engage the tab and slide it. This will disengage the finger wheel from the finger wheel clamp.

[unbeldi]

From quick perusal of BSPs, it seems the G1A handset was first used around 1957 on the 211J-3 (manual) and 211L-3 (dial) with a G6 handset mounting, not the G1.

[poplar1]

For your finger wheel, refer to paragraphs 13.01 (Removal of P-372629 Finger Wheel) through 13.03 (6) (Installation of P-335580 Finger Wheel Assembly) and Figures 10 and 11 in BSP Section 34.103, Issue 1, Aug. 1954 in TCI Library:

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_view/4751-c34-103-i1-aug54-station-dials-2-4-5-6-7-types-maintenance

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_details/4751-c34-103-i1-aug54-station-dials-2-4-5-6-7-types-maintenance

[tallguy58]

What's the purpose of the buffer spring on #5 dials?

[Lewes2]

Thanks all for the info.

The hook switch assembly is also dated 1942, similar to the dial.  However it does have the chrome hook switch which I read is the later model.  I've been using this document as a reference which is pretty complete. 

http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/component/docman/doc_download/2754-502-301-101-i1-reference-211-type-hand-telephone-sets-tl?Itemid=2

The handset which came with the phone has endured a hard life - it's a G model but no number - heavy gouges, scratches, etc. 

David, I finally see the small tab under the finger wheel but it's a stubborn guy and when pressed, is not releasing the wheel.  I'll have a more series go at it when I have more time. 

Chuck

[Lewes2]

Like some of the other phones I have purchased, I have my doubts that the wiring is correct.  I usually disconnect everything and start fresh after cleaning/painting using wiring diagrams from this forum. 

In this case, the unused W terminal had the white wire from the handset which I had already disconnected.  I assume in your photo that the white wire on the W terminal is going to the handset? 

Chuck