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Title: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on May 03, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
Pulse dialing capable ATA (Analog Telephone Adapter) list

Combined List of Posted ATAs
(alphabetical order - updated 3/12/2024)

- Audio Codes MP-114 FXO
- Cisco VG202
- Cisco VG204
- Digium IAXy s101I
- Dinstar DAG1000-4S4O *
- Dinstar DAG1000-8S8O (Untested, Should work.)
- Draytek VigorTalk ATA-24
- Grandstream GXW-4004 (4 Ports)
- Grandstream GXW-4008 (8 Ports)
- Grandstream GXW-4216 (16 Ports)
- Grandstream GXW-4224 (32 Ports)
- Grandstream GXW-4248 (48 Ports)
- Grandstream HT502 (2 Telephone Ports)
- Grandstream HT503 (1 Telephone Port, 1 CO Port)
- Grandstream HT704 (4 Telephone Ports) **
- Grandstream HT701 (1 Telephone Port)
- Grandstream HT702 (2 Telephone Ports, current firmware)
- Grandstream HT-801
- Grandstream HT802 (2 Telephone Ports with in-call DTMF, current firmware)
- Grandstream HT812 (2 Telephone Ports with in-call DTMF, current firmware)
- Grandstream HT-818 (8-port FXS)
- Innomedia MTA6328-2Re
- Linksys RTP300 (Before Firmware Version 3)
- Minitar MVA11A
- Motorola VT-1005
- Primus Lingo iAN-02EX
- UTStartCom iAN-02EX

  * Works but In-call DTMF Generation is very weird, I don't 100% recommend but other then that it's a decent ATA that puts a nice 4 REN on the line and works with NEON MWI! FXO Outpulsing in Pulse works great. Good for an SxS switch to get on NPSTN or C*NET.

  ** Untested Should work, according to Grandstream

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So far here is my Pulse dialing capable ATA list:

- Minitar MVA11A
- Grandstream HT502 & GXW-4008
- Primus Lingo iAN-02EX
- Innomedia MTA6328-2Re
- Motorola VT-1005
- Audio Codes MP-114 FXO
- Digium IAXy s101i
- Linksys RTP300  (Before firmware version 3 I believe)

Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on May 03, 2018, 12:52:41 AM
I have a few clients who want to use their rotary phone and I have had great success with the HT502!
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: Sigmaz on May 07, 2018, 10:28:20 PM
I have five of them. (2 online right now)
They work great!
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: Bay Area Doug on June 01, 2018, 06:14:26 PM
My additions to your list at the bottom:

- Minitar MVA11A
- Grandstream HT502 & GXW-4008
- Primus Lingo iAN-02EX
- Innomedia MTA6328-2Re
- Motorola VT-1005
- Audio Codes MP-114 FXO
- Digium IAXy s101i
- Linksys RTP300  (Before firmware version 3 I believe)
- Grandstream HT702 (current firmware)
- Grandstream HT802, HT812, (HT814 should work not tested) both with in-call DTMF (current firmware)
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on June 24, 2018, 12:38:16 AM
Add Grandstream HT503 to the list please :)
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on June 24, 2018, 12:51:05 AM
also add the grandstream HT701 (current firmware)
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on June 24, 2018, 12:55:08 AM
Quoting the CRPF user kb3pxr on an old post about ATAs:

"As of March 6, 2018, all current generation Grandstream devices with FXS ports will support Pulse dialing. The 500 series, current UCM models (DAHDI), and all devices with 8 or more ports support pulse dialing by default and do not require any configuration changes. All devices with 4 or more ports, except the HandyTone 704 support pulse dialing without additional configuration.

For Handytone devices in the 70x and 80x series Pulse dialing and High ring power are disabled (or not present) by default. To obtain this functionality you must upgrade the firmware to a compatible (ideally latest) version and select yes for "Enable High Ring Power" and "Enable Pulse Dial" on the respective interfaces in the configuration. It has also been reported that the HT802 does not disable pulse dialing capabilities during the call therefore having the effect of using a Pulse to Tone converter.

HT814 and HT818 in the Handytone series support pulse dialing by default and is not configurable, as of Firmware version 1.0.5.11 the HT814 also supports high ring power. Scant details are available on firmware 1.0.5.18 for the HT818.

All Grandstream devices with 16 or more ports seem to support both High ring power and pulse dialing without any configuration. Most Grandstream devices with 24 or more ports also support Neon message waiting lamps.

For gateway devices containing 16 or more ports, pulse dial support is usually hard to find documentation on and may be one sentence in the administration guide to the effect that Pulse dialing is supported. In the 16 port and higher range, additional features can be configured. Many devices start supporting additional Visual MWI modes (Neon and Polarity), feature code customization (enable, disable or change code), and even MultiFrequency (as in Blue Box) signaling. of course, these are enterprise grade devices and are priced accordingly.

I also mentioned DAHDI earlier. Many interface cards for Asterisk PBX systems use the DAHDI (Formerly zaptel) drivers and use similar hardware. Pulse dialing, high ring power, and various message waiting schemes can be configured. Neon is a bit tricky though. On DAHDI, you must select the HVAC (or neon alias) mode instead of HVDC. The output from the SLIC is in fact DC. If you read the source code (and the referenced technical document) you will find that the Neon (HVAC) mode turns on the ringing generator at 4 Hz for 1/8th of a second (half a cycle) to flash the neon light. These cards are not cheap, and the functionality of the cheap Chinese versions are unknown (My PBX is a Raspberry Pi 3).

Note about Grandstream's "Enable High Ring Power" setting: Grandstream devices that have, or later receive this setting operate their ringing generators at a reduced voltage presumably to save power. The hardware capability to run at the higher voltage is not removed and is later made available again in software. While this causes ringing difficulty with mechanical bells, this can be overcome on Western Electric C-type (I haven't tested P or M types) by changing the bias spring adjustment to the weak setting, I haven't had my Automatic Electric equipment connected in about a decade so I haven't tested it."

Src: http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=14175.30
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: compubit on June 24, 2018, 01:24:04 AM
I have an unlocked HT-802 and updated the firmware today - and now  it works with my German FeTAp 791 (weinrot - "wine red" in color) rotary, so now I can use that phone!

Jim
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: markosjal on August 13, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
My absolute favorite for Pulse dialing is the UTStarcom IAN-02ex.  You erroneously refer to this as Primus-Lingo but the manufacturer is UTStarcom. Primus aka Lingo used this on their service years ago.

With my grandstream it gets very picky about dial speed even when they are well with 10% tolerance. I believe this has somethingto do with pulse duration.


Also add to the list Motorola VDV-21 and VDV 22 These units may be available as "unlocked" Vonage units but are not for the faint of heart to program. The pulse detections seems good on them but have done little testing.

Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on August 14, 2018, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: markosjal on August 13, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
My absolute favorite for Pulse dialing is the UTStarcom IAN-02ex.  You erroneously refer to this as Primus-Lingo but the manufacturer is UTStarcom. Primus aka Lingo used this on their service years ago.

With my grandstream it gets very picky about dial speed even when they are well with 10% tolerance. I believe this has somethingto do with pulse duration.


Also add to the list Motorola VDV-21 and VDV 22 These units may be available as "unlocked" Vonage units but are not for the faint of heart to program. The pulse detections seems good on them but have done little testing.

Yeah I know I said it wrong but this forum wont let me edit!! Kinda annoying!
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: TelePlay on August 14, 2018, 12:27:03 PM
Quote from: markosjal on August 13, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
My absolute favorite for Pulse dialing is the UTStarcom IAN-02ex.  You erroneously refer to this as Primus-Lingo but the manufacturer is UTStarcom. Primus aka Lingo used this on their service years ago.

With my grandstream it gets very picky about dial speed even when they are well with 10% tolerance. I believe this has somethingto do with pulse duration.


Also add to the list Motorola VDV-21 and VDV 22 These units may be available as "unlocked" Vonage units but are not for the faint of heart to program. The pulse detections seems good on them but have done little testing.

     GLOBAL MODERATOR POST (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20151.msg206412#msg206412)

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I can't read minds, know not much about these and in no way going to spend time to try and figure out what the correct "name" would/should be. The above quoted reply is way too confusing for me to act on.

So, instead of confusing an error in a mixed message, simply reply to this topic as follows:

In the combined list of adapters in the first post

     http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20386.msg208673#msg208673

the Primus Lingo iAN-02EX should be UTStarcom IAN-02ex


and the list will be updated. Nothing more and nothing less for a correction. I don't know if the example just above this paragraph is the correct change so I will not make any changes until a simple, straightforward reply with the correction is posted. Also, I do not read old posts to pick up corrections. Corrections MUST be added as a reply and as shown in bold blue above.

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To add an item to the combined list, simply state each model number by itself, such as this example:

Please add these adapters to the combined list in the first post:

     Motorola VDV 21
     Motorola VDV-22


Any description or comments on the added item(s) can be put into the reply asking to add the item(s). Simple as that.

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Quote from: dc4code on August 14, 2018, 09:44:57 AM
Yeah I know I said it wrong but this forum wont let me edit!! Kinda annoying!

Yeah, and you can thank one of our ex-forum members. This goes back to the Bad Apple Wars of July-September 2017 as many members who were active in that period and are reading this now may remember.

We once trusted all members to edit any of their posts regardless of how old it was based and that turned out to be a false assumption, that any and all members could be expected to do no harm to the forum. Anyone can PM me if they don't understand the content behind this context and I will explain in full detail.

Bottom line, members are no longer allowed to edit their posts after one week to protect the forum.
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on December 27, 2018, 09:00:37 PM
Should this be Pinned?
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: andy1702 on January 23, 2019, 03:49:09 PM
Quote from: markosjal on August 13, 2018, 12:44:41 PM

With my grandstream it gets very picky about dial speed even when they are well with 10% tolerance. I believe this has somethingto do with pulse duration.


You're spot on! It's sometimes called the "make / break ratio" and it's slightly different between the US and UK. I had problems getting a UK dial trimphone to work with a Grandstream ATA, however some other dial phones did work. Eventually I was told to squeeze the pulse contacts on the trimphone's dial together slightly. This had the effect of increasing the make and decreasing the break very slightly, which brought it within the tolerances the Grandstream would accept. It's a fraction of a milimeter difference on the contacts, but it makes all the difference.
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dc4code on February 06, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
I don't know what happened to the last list so here is a new one!


Grandstream "Lower-End Series" =
HT502 (2 Telephone Ports)
HT503 (1 Telephone Port, 1 CO Port)
HT701 (1 Telephone Port)
HT702 (2 Telephone Ports)
HT704 (4 Telephone Ports)   -- Untested Should work (according to Grandstream)
HT802 (2 Telephone Ports)
HT812 (2 Telephone Ports)

Grandstream "Enterprise/Higher End Series" =

GXW-4004 (4 Ports)
GXW-4008 (8 Ports)
GXW-4216 (16 Ports)
GXW-4224 (32 Ports)
GXW-4248 (48 Ports)


Digium "ATAs" =
IAXY S101I

Digium "FXS/FXO Asterisk PBX Computer Cards" =

In chan_dahdi.conf
Add this line :
pulsedial = yes





Other ATAs/Devices:

Innomedia MTA6328-2Re
Linksys RTP300 (Before Firmware Version 3)
Minitar MVA11A
Motorola VT-1005
UTStartCom iAN-02EX
Dinstar DAG1000-4S4O (Works but In-call DTMF Generation is very weird, I don't 100% recommend but other then that it's a decent ATA that puts a nice 4 REN on the line and works with NEON MWI! FXO Outpulsing in Pulse works great. Good for an SxS switch to get on NPSTN or C*NET.)
Dinstar DAG1000-8S8O (Untested, Should work.)



Keep in mind most lower-end ATAs do a bad job of ringing older phones,

I have a couple of the Enterprise-grade ATAs and they are amazing!
They ring 5 500 Sets, Pulse dialing works wonderfully, Flexible Dialplan and you can even set Asterisk to serve as part of the pre-call setup (Warm/Hot dial set to a Dialtone Macro/Subroutine system in Asterisk)

That is my experience though, I Get to mess with a lot of ATAs setting up PBXs for work sometimes :)


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Please reply below with ATAs and related modern hardware that supports Pulse Dialing,
Please include the exact brand & model number.


Last Edit: Feb 6, 2019
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: TelePlay on February 08, 2019, 02:19:48 PM
     GLOBAL MODERATOR POST (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20151.msg206412#msg206412)

Quote from: dylanc4 on February 06, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
I don't know what happened to the last list so here is a new one!

Maybe here?

     http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20386.0

and as requested, pinned to the top of the board?

     http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=20386.msg220262#msg220262


One list is enough so this will be incorporated into the exiting list later today.


Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: Babybearjs on May 20, 2019, 11:33:52 PM
My Grandstream HT-701 won't support rotary dialing. works fine on TT but on any rotary extension, it won't dial out. it keeps crashing or I get an error message. all my phone except for my office phone are rotary... any idea on what I should do? other then changing over to TT...
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: andy1702 on May 21, 2019, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: Babybearjs on May 20, 2019, 11:33:52 PM
My Grandstream HT-701 won't support rotary dialing. works fine on TT but on any rotary extension, it won't dial out. it keeps crashing or I get an error message. all my phone except for my office phone are rotary... any idea on what I should do? other then changing over to TT...

The HT 701 should work as far as I'm aware. I've got a HT502 working here with no issues. The only problem I've had was with the make/break ratio of some British dials, as I explained further up this thread. Try adjusting that and your ATA might start accepting pulses.
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: shadowcaster on April 09, 2020, 10:05:08 AM
Grandstream HT-801 and HT-812 work very well with pulse dialing. Please add them to the list.
They support tone from pulse "overdial", so they are actually sending tone events on pulse dials during call. IVR works.
They support neon message waiting indicator. They will pulse neon lamp with about 1s on/off cadence, pushing about 90V DC. Successfully tested with normal and colored neon lamp.


HT-801 pros:
powered by microusb cable, which is neat.
have rudimentary line diagnostics in firmware
as cheap as it gets for single FXS with pulse dial capability
HT-801 cons:
line makes annoying pop sound when goes off-hook or during pulse dialing

HT-812 pros:
dual gigabit ports
nice sound quality
dual FXS port
HT-812 cons:
cadence/tone settings are common for both ports (cannot be set separately, as other settings)
no line diagnostics in firmware - replaced with basic call accounting
basic 12v power supply


Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: comdif on April 20, 2022, 07:20:02 AM
Draytek VigorTalk ATA-24
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: rand0m on April 24, 2022, 07:22:28 PM
Found a great video on how to configure Grandstream HT-801 ATA to work with pulse dialing
 
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: ack41 on February 02, 2024, 10:15:19 PM
Big fan of the Grandstream HT801/802.  But I recently setup a Cisco VG202 and a VG204.  The signaling and sound quality are true carrier grade.  Unlike most Cisco gear these DO NOT have a fan so they can go anywhere.  You will have to CLI into the Cisco IOS to set it up with your SIP carrier or just have it dial and ring to another port.
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: dsk on February 21, 2024, 03:54:20 AM
Anybody here who knows witch ATA's who recognice touch tone A, B, C and D?   (Equals FO, F, I, and P on Autovon pads) 
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: ka1axy on February 21, 2024, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Babybearjs on May 20, 2019, 11:33:52 PMMy Grandstream HT-701 won't support rotary dialing. works fine on TT but on any rotary extension, it won't dial out. it keeps crashing or I get an error message. all my phone except for my office phone are rotary... any idea on what I should do? other then changing over to TT...

My HT802 needed a firmware update before the option to support pulse dialling appeared. It's in the web interface under the "FXS Port#" tab as "Enable Pulse Dialing" and it's defaulted to "OFF"
Title: Re: List of Pulse Dialing Capable ATAs and Hardware.
Post by: Ralf on March 12, 2024, 04:04:47 PM
You might consider adding the Grandstream HT-818 (8-port FXS) to your list of ATAs that support rotary/pulse dialing, as it has been successfully tested. I'm using an HT-818 with my WE302 and WE500 phones, and it provides in-call pulse to DTMF conversion, enabling the use of certain IVRs and DISAs. However, I'm still figuring out how to send the '#' or '*' characters.

My HT-818 is equipped with firmware version 1.49.2 and is happily serving dialtone to my classic rotary phones.

--
Ralf