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Possible Fake WE stick on EBAY?

Started by Pourme, January 19, 2020, 06:03:03 PM

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/174154003412?ul_noapp=true

See Date on back of transmitter, crooked WE label, model number. This one don't look correct.

Benny

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LarryInMichigan

At least some of it is definitely repro.  I do not believe for a moment that it is worth the current bid.

Larry

andre_janew














The receiver is definitely a reproduction.

Desert Phone Guy

Definitely a reproduction.  Probably from the '70's.  Walk a wide circle around this one.

Pourme

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Jack Ryan

The dial is real and I think the receiver is too (not that that helps). It looks like a 706A receiver

Nothing else is real.

Jack

Doug Rose

Quote from: Pourme on January 19, 2020, 07:47:48 PM
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Someone is about to get ripped off...
Benny ...knowledge is key. A stick on transmitter plaque that Phoneco sells and bad repro transmitter cup.

I doubt the seller has any idea that it is a fake. He/she was fooled when he/she bought it.

$103 would be a lot for a real manual stick with a broken receiver....Doug
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SUnset2

The dial looks like an AE, so it isn't correct either.  It's probably off a much later model, or in imported copy.  The broken receiver might be the only genuine part, though it is of a later vintage.

FABphones

'1910' Repro. Auction ended at $103.50.

(http://www.oldphoneman.com/Fakes.htm)

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Jack Ryan

Quote from: SUnset2 on January 20, 2020, 01:59:11 AM
The dial looks like an AE, so it isn't correct either.

The dial is real. It is not Western Electric but it is an original dial.

Jack

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Pourme

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Thanks for posting that, Harry Dan. I read that before and had recalled the Nov 1910, signature, but couldn't site the reference. The transmitter in the candlestick in question is an example of that, as well as the tag. That was what caught my attention.
Benny

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Jack Ryan

Quote from: Dan/Panther on January 20, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
Maybe this site will help.
http://www.oldphoneman.com/Fakes.htm

There are a lot of useful points in that page, but I think it is pretty useless for a beginner. Firstly, it is written from the perspective of a Western Electric collector who does not recognise any other manufacturer except as a source of reproduction parts.

The first thing to look at is the dial. The repro sticks used Automatic Electric (AE) dials.
In other words, if a phone has an AE dial, it is a reproduction and should be avoided.

The AE dials also had a dull silver appearance to the side
All of the early ones were nickel plated, some were black and others were silver aluminium alloy.

The real thing. Here's a WE #2 or #4 dial.
The implication being that every other manufacturer makes reproductions

Some of the repro sticks don't have the tag at all.
Most manufacturers, including Northern Electric, did not use tags.

Improper stamping of dates on front of base
Not even all WE candlesticks had stampings on the front of the base – just the 51AL

This repo phone is being sold as a old Western Electric 202b1 the earliest desk phone.
It's not even the earliest WE desk handset mounting.

Some might think I am being overly pedantic but for a beginner, this page teaches many falsehoods but more concerning, it teaches that real phones are Western Electric.

Jack


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HarrySmith

I have always used that Nov 1910 date as a definite repro regardless of anything else. Some do appear to have real parts on them but unless it is a #2 dial & very cheap I will pass with that date.
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