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Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« on: December 23, 2015, 03:05:36 PM »
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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2015, 03:08:59 PM »
Yeah...

...probably not...

Might want to check inside that modular handset just to be sure! ;D
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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2015, 03:42:37 PM »
More than one slip of the pen, typo or whatever at that museum.
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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2015, 03:50:41 PM »
More than one slip of the pen, typo or whatever at that museum.

Clearly the dates are the introduction years of the class of telephones, not the actual manufacturing year of the individual sets.
Western Electric did introduce the dial telephone desk stand in 1919, albeit it was a 50AL and was not brassed out.  And showing a 1970s 500 sets is ok to represent the class that was announce in 1949.

Such representations are not uncommon and not wrong.  Even the  'definitive' history books of the Bell System (History of Engineering and Science in the Bell System), use the technique in a few instances, IIRC.

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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2015, 03:54:27 PM »
Western Electric did introduce the dial telephone desk stand in 1919, albeit it was a 50AL and was not brassed out.

Look at the dial.
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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 04:04:24 PM »
1949 500, there is no way. I just emailed the seller, should be an interesting reply.

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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 05:40:52 PM »
Western Electric did introduce the dial telephone desk stand in 1919, albeit it was a 50AL and was not brassed out.

Look at the dial.
The dial is definitely not WE.  Could be an AE dial.

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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 06:35:16 PM »
Western Electric did introduce the dial telephone desk stand in 1919, albeit it was a 50AL and was not brassed out.

Look at the dial.
The dial is definitely not WE.  Could be an AE dial.

It really doesn't make any difference for the purpose of that exhibit.

One has to exercise some common sense when judging an exhibit. Clearly the purpose was to show the development of the telephone, not the explicit details of each set.
In addition, many WECo candlestick used AE dials at the time as many dial offices used AE switches.  The Bell System practices even had explicit maintenance instructions for AE dials.

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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2015, 06:50:09 PM »
Look at the dial.

Perhaps it is one of the early transparent aluminium ones? ::)

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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2015, 08:21:00 PM »
Western Electric did introduce the dial telephone desk stand in 1919, albeit it was a 50AL and was not brassed out.

Look at the dial.
The dial is definitely not WE.  Could be an AE dial.

It really doesn't make any difference for the purpose of that exhibit.

One has to exercise some common sense when judging an exhibit. Clearly the purpose was to show the development of the telephone, not the explicit details of each set.
In addition, many WECo candlestick used AE dials at the time as many dial offices used AE switches.  The Bell System practices even had explicit maintenance instructions for AE dials.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. That phone should not have been displayed in a museum, since it is apparently 100% non-Western Electric: Repro receiver, repro transmitter, probably all repro except for the AE dial, which is not the type used on 50ALs in the 1919 Norfolk installlation, but rather a dial from an AE 80 or 90 that has been converted to a 3" dial....even the "number card" on the dial is the type of stickers sold by phoneco.....

And even if this were Western Electric, showing a brassed out model certainly perpetuates for another generation the false idea that brass should be unfinished rather than nickel plated or painted black.
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Re: Hey DP Another 1949 500 Set
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2015, 01:26:18 PM »
OK, here are my opinions.

The placard should show the production date range. Then info on the model shown. They should not exhibit frankenphones or non-produced phones without a large and clear disclaimer. In my opinion this is a poorly designed museum.
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