The AE Monophone Tool combines two tools in one.
One end of it has an 8 sided "Allen Key" type tool that is inserted into the AE Type 38 handset receiver to loosen the wedge shaped bakelite piece and set it to the desired position once the cap has been screwed on. This way you don't have to potentially overtighten the cap to get the ear piece ficing the correct way. It also allows the ear piece to be positioned one way if the user holds the handset to his left ear or the other way if he holds the handset to his right ear.
The other end of the tool fits over the plunger commonly seen on the AE 1, 2, 3, 7, 35 & 50 (and others) phones to tighten or loosen the the plunger assembly. This prevents scratching the shell, metal cover plate and/or the chromed plunger assembly when trying to use screw drivers or pliers to perform this task.
A hard tool to find!
Terry
How much should I expect to pay for one of those? And where would I look to find one?
And, is there a market for having more of them produced? Seems to me any decent machinist could make those, and I know a machinist. The new ones would of course have some kind of maker's mark stamped into them so it's clear they're "replicas."
(What I've done to get the Monophone switch assembly apart, has been to use a pair of needlenose pliers, and hold them apart at the correct angle to get them into the little notches in that nut that holds the metal cover on the cradle. After getting it loose the first time, I just tighten by fingers, so it comes off with fingers after that.)
Or, someone could go to antique phone shows with one of those tools and offer to unscrew earpieces and hookswitches for a dollar each: bring all your 1As and 34 handsets in and get them all done at the same time. I'd gladly pay someone to do that. (Hmm! Methinks I'm going to bring a box of those with me to the San Jose show in a couple of weeks, just in case someone brings a tool they don't want to sell!) (And I may as well bring a couple of items for possible trade for other stuff, such as a couple of NOS green ITT Autovon 5-line sets.)
Hi Fellows:
I have emailed JL to see if he has any interest in reproducing some of these...
Dave
Just looked the Monophone tool up in an AE catalog. Apparently there were two very similar tools, H-50754 for use with a collapsible (telescoping) plunger, and H-43172 for solid plunger phones. I have no idea what the difference was - they look identical.
Which one was yours? Is the H number visible on it?
Dave
Dave.....That is one cool tool. I could of used it this weekend. If JL decides to make some, count me in.....Doug
Quote from: DavePEI on October 17, 2011, 09:03:51 AM
Just looked the Monophone tool up in an AE catalog. Apparently there were two very similar tools, H-50754 for use with a collapsible (telescoping) plunger, and H-43172 for solid plunger phones. I have no idea what the difference was - they look identical.
Which one was yours? Is the H number visible on it?
Dave
In typical AE fashion, I don't think there is anything stamped on it....but I will look again and I will try it on both types of plungers to see if I can see any need for two types. Almost for sure they made it to work on the early collapasible plungers and then the hole in the end needed a slight enlargening to suite the new non collapsible plungers. But I'll try to figure it out.
I was going to look for a tool number Dave, but once again you beat me to it (Thanks!)
It would be a real nice JL project wouldn't it. Maybe it should have Classic Rotary Telephone Forum stamped in a circle around the perimeter....our first advertising item. (Just kidding)
Terry
Looking at the two in catalog Bulletin 540 I do see a visual difference between the two tools. The H-50754 will have a 1/2" deep axial hole on the octagon end. On the H-43172 the hole will only be 1/4" deep.
Doug Pav
Quote from: Doug Rose on October 17, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
Dave.....That is one cool tool. I could of used it this weekend. If JL decides to make some, count me in.....Doug
Hi Doug:
He is considering it. Until he decides for certain, I don't want to publish his full name, but he is known to most collectors for previous projects that have turned out really well. I will keep people posted, as this would be a tool very much in demand.
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on October 17, 2011, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: Doug Rose on October 17, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
Dave.....That is one cool tool. I could of used it this weekend. If JL decides to make some, count me in.....Doug
Hi Doug:
He is considering it. Until he decides for certain, I don't want to publish his full name, but he is known to most collectors for previous projects that have turned out really well. I will keep people posted, as this would be a tool very much in demand.
Dave
Dave....I know who JL is and he is the man for the job.....thanks...Doug
Quote from: Doug Rose on October 17, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Dave....I know who JL is and he is the man for the job.....thanks...Doug
Yes, he is - he did an excellent job on a recent item which I talked him into doing, and he made many of them for other collectors.
He says that it won't be identical cosmetically to the original tool, but will be identical in function, This would be to keep the price down to a reasonable one.
Once he decides to go ahead, I will post a message to that effect here that he will be making them, so people can put their orders in. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who had approached him about this, someone else had already discussed the possibility of making them as a result of the recent items he has made.
I, too have a Taig lathe, but wouldn't even consider such a project myself - I'm not nearly good enough with the lathe to do it myself, but am preparing to make some ring buttons for 11 Digit Strowger sets. I have one hardwood made for my own phone, but have some Garolite rod ordered to make more. Garolite is a phenolic similar to bakelite.
Anyway, I will keep everyone posted on the status of this!
Dave
I just removed the center part from an AE handset earpiece using the handle of a pliers.
Larry
I see lots of 50 sets with scratches around the plunger from needlenose pliers.
Dave, is JL going to need a tool to copy if he decides to give it a try?
Terry
Quote from: AE_collector on October 17, 2011, 04:01:28 PM
Dave, is JL going to need a tool to copy if he decides to give it a try?
Terry
Hi Terry:
It doesn't appear that he will... His will appear different from the originals, but will be functionally 100% the same - a matter of keeping the cost down by reducing the amount of necessary machining on them... He has a couple of monophones of his own he will be able to use for testing to ensure a perfect fit...
Dave
Definitely count me in for one. 100% certain of that. I have a couple of handsets with earpieces that don't quite line up symmetrically, so being able to remove the center part to re-orient the bakelite part would be great. Also this would enable getting the center part as well as the brass rings all powder-coated black or otherwise treated to be uniform.
Does anyone produce those round Monophone cradle nuts with the two slots on them, as replacements for all the ones we've variously scratched with improper tools over the years?
They also tend to get lost real easily. AE 50 phones removed and recovered to the telso frequently would show up without the plunger and nut since the installer didn't put much effort into replaceing it properly.
Dencins is doing chrome plate for these sort of items including the parts for AE 38 handsets at a very inexpensive price.
Terry
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If anyone is looking for a nickel finish on the A1 parts, I can plate the A1 parts like the AE34 in this posting. Same prices.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=5093.msg63400#msg63400
Dennis Hallworth
Quote from: Wallphone on October 17, 2011, 11:42:06 AM
Looking at the two in catalog Bulletin 540 I do see a visual difference between the two tools. The H-50754 will have a 1/2" deep axial hole on the octagon end. On the H-43172 the hole will only be 1/4" deep.
Doug Pav
WHAT! On the Octogon end?
I checked and my Monophone Tool has the 1/2" deep hole on each end so I guess it is the H-50754.
I have been talking with Dave privately about the 1/4" versus 1/2" deep hole but incorrectly assumed it was on the Plunger Nut removal end, not the Octogon end. I can't figure out why it would even have a hole on the Octogon end and then they redesigned and renumbered the tool becasue they made the hole deeper?
Terry
Happily, I was able to purchase one of these today. I have been looking for quite a while!
Dave
Dave:
An Original? Where from, ebaY?
Terry
There are a couple of options to the tool:
1. Carefully grind down the hex end of an over-sized allen wrench to fit
2. Use a properly sized hex-bolt and a pair of pliers - or weld on a small t-handle onto the bolt.
Quote from: AE_collector on March 14, 2012, 04:27:06 PM
Dave:
An Original? Where from, ebaY?
Terry
Hi Terry
A fellow Canuck, Rob Baxter had just offered one for 40-dollars on the TCI list.
If I recall correctly, another collector had a bunch of them made a few years ago.
DavePEI ,
Man!!! :o I tried all night to get Rob just after he put up the post but I guess you were faster.
Oh well , I'm glad someone from CRPF got it. You lucky dog ;D. stub
Terry,
Gary G. told me that it might be one he had made. stub
Quote from: AE_collector on March 14, 2012, 04:27:06 PM
Dave:
An Original? Where from, ebaY?
Terry
Rob B. sent a message to the lists he had one for sale, so I jumped on it when he did.
So is it original or an exact copy? Is the picture you posted "the tool" or an example of one? Looks like an original but maybe someone made exact copies in the past. Being that it was in BC it could well be original (Big time AE Territory here)
Terry
Quote from: AE_collector on March 14, 2012, 07:41:53 PM
So is it original or an exact copy? Is the picture you posted "the tool" or an example of one? Looks like an original but maybe someone made exact copies in the past. Being tha tit was in BC it could well be original (Big time AE Territory here)
Terry
Yes, that is the exact tool. No idea if it is original, or if it is an exact copy.... Guess I will know when it comes in a week or so. Incidentally, I may have shaken loose a few more of them. More privately...
Dave
Quote from: stub on March 14, 2012, 06:27:12 PM
DavePEI ,
Man!!! :o I tried all night to get Rob just after he put up the post but I guess you were faster.
Oh well , I'm glad someone from CRPF got it. You lucky dog ;D. stub
Terry,
Gary G. told me that it was one he had made. stub
Stand by: I may have information about another source.
Dave
Quote from: stub on March 14, 2012, 06:27:12 PM
Man!!! :o I tried all night to get Rob just after he put up the post but I guess you were faster.
You got yourself a nice new AE today....what else do you want! :) I was sort of looking at it too but way to busy today to keep track of it. An interesting unit, presumably a home made case for the intercom type unit. Looks neat and good price!
Terry
Terry,
;D I WANT IT ALL ;D!!!!You better LOOK again ( AE Catalog 4055 ,pg 19 , L--961- AO , AE Flush Type Wall phone ) that my friend is a telephone not a intercom. Man I was so afraid that Mr H was going to show up and mess up everthing. Can't wait till it gets here. I'm still kicking my butt ::) over a Turquoise 880 I let slip away ;D ;D stub
Quote from: AE_collector on March 14, 2012, 07:41:53 PM
So is it original or an exact copy? Is the picture you posted "the tool" or an example of one? Looks like an original but maybe someone made exact copies in the past. Being tha tit was in BC it could well be original (Big time AE Territory here)
Terry
A few years ago Gary Goff had a number of these machined and offered them for sale.
Rob Baxter is a close friend of Gary and have collaborated on several projects in the past though I'm not sure if this is one of them.
Perhaps Gary will chime-in and let us know if they are still available.
From Gary Goff when asked if he still had some in stock-
"No I don't, but I asked the man who made them if he would make more and he said yes. The cost would be about $40 total to the buyer. I just have not taken the time to order them. I will do so next week when I return."
Are you sure he is talking about (close to) exact replica's as opposed to the ones that have been made to do the job but don't look like the originals at all?.
Terry
I'm sure Gary only had an AE tool made that does not look like the original tool.
While I have never attempted a direct comparison between those that I have seen in person, Gary's version strongly resembles both real ones and the catalog photographs.
Gary has always striven for first-rate quality and authenticity in the reproductions that he has commissioned through the years an his reproductions of the A.E. number card removal tool are first-rate.
Quote from: DavePEI on March 14, 2012, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: stub on March 14, 2012, 06:27:12 PM
DavePEI ,
Man!!! :o I tried all night to get Rob just after he put up the post but I guess you were faster.
Oh well , I'm glad someone from CRPF got it. You lucky dog ;D. stub
Terry,
Gary G. told me that it was one he had made. stub
Stand by: I may have information about another source.
Dave
I have contacted another gentleman who may have some of these. He emailed me yesterday to find out exactly what a monophone tool looks like, and he told me after, he had found some in a box. I have asked him to contact me if he is willing to let a few go (I look after my friends :-)
Either he will, or I will let you all know if he is going to sell a few.
Dave
Quote from: G-Man on March 15, 2012, 04:14:05 AM
While I have never attempted a direct comparison between those that I have seen in person, Gary's version strongly resembles both real ones and the catalog photographs.
I heard back from Rob... He tells me the one I got was an original AW-17 AE tool.
Quote from: DavePEI on March 15, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: G-Man on March 15, 2012, 04:14:05 AM
While I have never attempted a direct comparison between those that I have seen in person, Gary's version strongly resembles both real ones and the catalog photographs.
I heard back from Rob... He tells me the one I got was an original AW-17 AE tool.
I never implied that it wasn't. My response was to teka-bb who stated
"I'm sure Gary only had an AE tool made that does not look like the original tool."Another member is the one who quoted Gary Goff as saying it was one of his creations.
Quote from: G-Man on March 15, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
I never implied that it wasn't. My response was to teka-bb who stated "I'm sure Gary only had an AE tool made that does not look like the original tool."
Another member is the one who quoted Gary Goff as saying it was one of his creations.
Actually, the posting was not pointed at you - it was just to show everyone this was an original. For those who haven't seen the Gary/Larose creation, I dug back through some emails and found the following photo of one of those...
Same function, different way of doing it....
Quote from: DavePEI on March 15, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: G-Man on March 15, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
I never implied that it wasn't. My response was to teka-bb who stated "I'm sure Gary only had an AE tool made that does not look like the original tool."
Another member is the one who quoted Gary Goff as saying it was one of his creations.
Actually, the posting was not pointed at you - it was just to show everyone this was an original. For those who haven't seen the Gary/Larose creation, I dug back through some emails and found the following photo of one of them...
Same function, different way of doing it....
Which is a very well made tool and does the job but doesn't look like the original.
A reproduction of the tool that looks exactly like the original would likely be too costly to make.
Quote from: teka-bb on March 15, 2012, 12:37:46 PM
Which is a very well made tool and does the job but doesn't look like the original.
A reproduction tool that looks exactly like the original would likely be too costly to make.
Yes, undoubtably. I have one of Gary's dial tools, and it is great. It is just that I am glad this is an original tool for the museum, as I would far rather pay $40 for an original than a reproduction or re-designed one.
Someone who was going to make some of them already told me it would be far easier to make using a design similar to the "Gary" version, so that, no doubt is the reason for the modified construction....
Dave
Larry S. over on the TCI list is looking for his box of originals and once he finds them an announcement will be made this forum.
I think we all do too much quoting when we post here on the forum which led to the above misunderstanding about who said what re original or reproduction Monophone tools. In most cases, unless quotes are edited down to just a few words to indicate exactly what you are responding to, quoting is just a waste of space on the forum. I don't think that anyone is going to re-read all of the text in quotes, sometimes quotes within other quotes.
IMHO we should only quote when we really have to to be specific. In this particular topic we are all talking about Monophone tools so quoting really shouldn't be required. Am I out of line? Does anyone else notice an awful lot of un-neccesary quoting or is it just me? Other forums I visit quite strictly limit quoting and even proactively remove un-nessesary quoting. (Hope I'm not too far out of line!)
Terry
I'm with you. The problem is that the "Quote" button is located right on the post that peaks one's interest and the "Reply" button is at the top or bottom of the thread's page - to Quote is much easier/more convenient. I too am guilty of taking the easy way out on other forums.
Yeah I had never really noticed that before but you are right, the only way to reply right away to a post without presumably reading the rest of the replies is to use the quote button. Too bad there isn't also a reply button on each post. I guess you can use the quote button and then strip the quote off but that does take more time. I have a problem with someone not wanting to spend an extra 20 seconds to edit the quote down (if they find a quote necessary) and then they figure that hundreds of viewers can all read a whole bunch of un-neccesary info. Maybe we should start a seperate Forum Etiquette thread elsewhere rather than hijack Dave's Monophone tool topic!
Terry
Hey Guys,
This is my fault !!! When I contacted Gary G. he said it " might be " one of his . I thought , might , and typed, it was one of his. I have corrected the post. This is not the first time I didn't type what I thought!! Sorry for causing some confusion.
I would be glad to have either one!!
I vote to delete and give the thread back to DavePEI , again sorry for my confusion. stub
Gary Goff just placed a new order for his version of the Monophone tool (see picture below).
They will be 39 US$ including postage to US buyers.
I suggest you reserve one now by contacting Gary through his website at:
http://www.telephonecollector.info/ (http://www.telephonecollector.info/)
Hi Remco:
Thanks for letting us know! I am sure there will be many wanting one. If I hadn't found the original, I would have been ordering one, because I do have one of his dial tools, and it works great, as I am certain this would, too...
Dave
This has been an interesting thread, and one which resulted in a great conclusion. Contact Gary via the email link on his website: http://www.telephonecollector.info/
as noted in Remco's message.
While I don't have one of Gary's Monophone Tool, I do have one of his AE dial tools, and it is perfect. I did eventually find an original tool, but they are rare - it took me several years to find one. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have hesitated to order one of Gary's.
As noted above, they aren't the same as the original tool, but 100% functional, and bear the advantage of having the crossbar on them to allow better grip. Just shows there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Get your orders in early, you wouldn't want to miss out. Thanks, guys for taking part in this thread!
Now, what rare tool are we going to try to find next? :-\
Dave
Hello Dave,
I have asked Gary about making another batch of the AE dial tool. His reaction was positive and we will probably put them in the TCI Company store at : http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm (http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm)
I will open a new topic when I know more.
Hi All:
My monophone tool arrived this morning. I am posting a larger photo of it with quarters for a size reference.
Dave
Dave,
American Electric had one also H-43173 ( Am. Electric , Bulletin 100, pg. 25 ) (Tool pictured is a AE H-50754-1 ) stub
Those are Canadian quarters, does that mean it's metric? :D
Quote from: DavePEI on March 21, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
Hi All:
My monophone tool arrived this morning. I am posting a larger photo of it with quarters for a size reference.
Dave
Quote from: Brinybay on March 28, 2012, 01:10:26 PM
Those are Canadian quarters, does that mean it's metric? :D
Quote from: DavePEI on March 21, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
Hi All:
My monophone tool arrived this morning. I am posting a larger photo of it with quarters for a size reference.
Dave
No metric back then - these were made before we went metric!
Quote from: stub on March 28, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
American Electric had one also H-43173 ( Am. Electric , Bulletin 100, pg. 25 ) (Tool pictured is a AE H-50754-1 ) stub
That would make sense, as American electric was a licensee of Automatic Electric patents. They, too had monophones. From their Bul. 100 catalog:
Dave
Dave....was American Electric the fore runner of Automatic Electric and Automatic Electric continued to sell its manual sets under the American Electric name or were they just a division?. I always thought American Electric became Automatic Electric. Never really have heard a distinctive answer on it....thanks...Doug
Quote from: Doug Rose on March 28, 2012, 01:37:17 PM
Dave....was American Electric the fore runner of Automatic Electric and Automatic Electric continued to sell its manual sets under the American Electric name or were they just a division?. I always thought American Electric became Automatic Electric. Never really have heard a distinctive answer on it....thanks...Doug
Hi Doug:
Neither have I, but essentially, in later days, Am. Electric became a division of Automatic, rather than the other way around.... American Electric kept going as an entity, long after Automatic Electric began its operations. It would be interesting if anyone could give a definitive answer to your question! It then becomes sort of a chicken or the egg mystery! :)
Dave
Dave,
In" Old -Time Telephones" 2nd edition by Ralph O. Meyer , pg 58 says that The Gary Group (Automatic Electric's parent company) bought AM Electric Company and Monarch Telephone Manufacturing Company in 1926. stub
Quote from: stub on March 28, 2012, 03:07:01 PM
Dave,
In" Old -Time Telephones" 2nd edition by Ralph O. Meyer , pg 58 says that The Gary Group (Automatic Electric's parent company) bought AM Electric Company and Monarch Telephone Manufacturing Company in 1926. stub
But as American Electric was producing phones using Automatics design before that, which they were, there must have been a relationship between Automatic Electric and American Electric before Gary Group made that acquisition. Wonder what year Gary Group picked up Automatic? Perhaps at that time, they only purchased Automatic [I aswered that one myself - 1918], then later picked up American?
http://www.bobsoldphones.net/Pages/Automatic%20Electric/Automatic%20Electric%20History.htm
Dave
Dave,
In 1901, the Strowger company formed a new company, the Automatic Electric Company, to handle marketing and production. The Strowger company now acted only as a holder of the patents. Meyer retired and Harris became Vice President. Keith became General Superintendent. The design and manufacturing staff still included the Erickson brothers. By 1910 the company employed 850 workers.
Here's where this info came from stub
http://tinyurl.com/b8vh45
But if you look on the same page, you will see that Gary Group didn't buy Automatic Electric until after 1918. Perhaps your posting still may explain the relationship, in that Automatic may have licensed their designs to American after 1901, but never actually acquired American until 1926
Interesting - I just noticed the No. 100 catalog came out in 1929, after the two were "officially" under the same ownership. It is interesting when you go into the corporate "fanagling" that resulted in the growth of well known companies!
Also of interest, the monophone tool in it is $2.23!
From "A History of GTE":
Automatic Electric Company was organized in 1901 to exclusively manufacture Strowger equipment under a royalty agreement. They moved into a new 6 story building at the corner of Morgan and Van Buren Streets on Chicago's west side. In 1908 the Automatic Electric Company purchased all domestic and foreign rights from the Strowger Company, consolidating under the Automatic Electric Company name.
In 1919 Theodore Gary exercised his option to purchase Automatic Electric of Chicago Illinois. He saw an opportunity to sell Automatic equipment to Theodore Vail, president of AT&T after an operators strike in the boston area had been settled quite unfavorably for the Bell Telephone Company.
Theodore Gary Company organized the American Electric Company Inc in 1926 to manufacture and market manual telephones and switchboards as well as to distribute construction materials, tools and miscellaneous supplies.
In it's struggle to get through the depression, Theodore Gary Company liquidated the American Electric Company in 1934.
General Telephone Corporation purchased its first telephone equipment manufacturing subsidiary when it purchased Leich Electric in November 1950. Leich was headquartered in Chicago with a manufacturing plant in Genoa Illinois.
GTE of Stamford Connecticut merged with the Theodore Gary Company on October 31, 1955.
Leich Electric continued to operate independantly of Automatic Electric after GTE acquired Theodore Gary & Company in October 1955 but Leich was formerly consolidated into Automatic Electric in 1962.
Terry
thanks Terry.....good information....Doug
So the book "A History of GTE" implies that the "American Electric" company was put together by Theodore Gary in 1926. Does anyone have any information that shows that American Electric existed before then?
Ken: Is there a date on that American Electric bulletin? I would assume that the "Monophone Tool" wasn't designed until around 1926 or later as there wasn't a phone that had any use for it until then that I can think of. The AE 1A (1926) was the first to use the type 38 handset and probably the first use of that type of plunger switch as well.
Terry
Terry,
The one I have here is from 1929. Is this the same Am. Electric Telephone Co. that Telephone Archives made a note that was formed in 1894 ? I'm lost as a goose here! ??? stub
I'm not sure Ken. What did Telephone Archives have to say? I would assume that there was only one American Electric.
Maybe the wording in the GTE History book wasn't as good as it could have been. Possibly the Gary Group bought it up rather than "putting it together".
Terry
Terry,
I meant to put the link in but forgot- - http://tinyurl.com/8594lo3
I don't know where they got this info.
stub
That certainly looks like a Candlestick that would predate 1926. Ed Gerson contributed the picture so maybe he supplied the American Electric info as well. I would say that it appears that American Electric existed before AECo bought it.
Terry
AE Co. Monophone Tool
This tool provides the same function as the original AE tool and is used to remove the nut holding the Monophone name plate in position on the cradle of many Monophone models. The tool can also be used for loosening the bushing in the Type 38 Monophone handset for the purpose of changing the angle of the receiver cap. The original tool can also be used as a gauge when adjusting the springs of the switch with the collapsible plunger, but just how this is accomplished is not evident.
In case you want to acquire this item for the reduced TCI members only price of only $29.95 please send an e-mail to gdgoff@gmail.com.
Non Member price: $34.95
Non Members of TCI may order at:
http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm
Dave
Ain't Nothin' like the real thing. It is useful but not the real deal. I collect all the old tools as I have been a tech for over 35 years. I wish it was made more like the original....Doug
Quote from: Doug Rose on February 14, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
Ain't Nothin' like the real thing. It is useful but not the real deal. I collect all the old tools as I have been a tech for over 35 years. I wish it was made more like the original....Doug
I have to agree with you - I am fortunate enough to have eventually found an original. But they are as scarce as Hens Teeth, and this will do the job.
The thing is, I have been told by several machinists, as I was looking into getting exact originals made, the cost of manufacture of original style tools could cost 5 times as much as making these.
That is why the compromise design.
Meanwhile, these will do everything the originals would.
Dave
Yes, Dave is right. Making it look like the original would have been way too expensive and no one would probably buy it.
Over half of the 12 are already sold so order one now!
Just learned that there are only 2 available while I write this...
Quote from: DavePEI on February 14, 2013, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: Doug Rose on February 14, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
Ain't Nothin' like the real thing. It is useful but not the real deal. I collect all the old tools as I have been a tech for over 35 years. I wish it was made more like the original....Doug
I have to agree with you - I am fortunate enough to have eventually found an original. But they are as scarce as Hens Teeth, and this will do the job.
The thing is, I have been told by several machinists, as I was looking into getting exact originals made, the cost of manufacture of original style tools could cost 5 times as much as making these.
That is why the compromise design.
Meanwhile, these will do everything the originals would.
Dave
I don't agree with you guys at all ;) I REALLY like the "new style" that GGoff had made. You can get a lot more torque on the new tool with much less effort than with the original, and the new design is a lot easier to hold onto.
Quote from: kleenax on February 14, 2013, 09:25:16 PM
I don't agree with you guys at all ;) I REALLY like the "new style" that GGoff had made. You can get a lot more torque on the new tool with much less effort than with the original, and the new design is a lot easier to hold onto.
I never said they wouldn't work just as well as the originals - in fact, I backed up the fact they would work just as well.
However, being a tool collector, to me, there is a value to having an original. But for someone who just needs it to use, these will do perfectly.
Dave
BTW they are SOLD OUT!!!
We may order another batch. We will let you know.
Quote from: teka-bb on February 14, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
BTW they are SOLD OUT!!!
We may order another batch. We will let you know.
Figured they wouldn't last long! Proves how much in demand they are!
Dave
In case you weren't lucky enough to be able to buy one of these:
We will be ordering more of them.
Please contact Gary or me in case you would like one so we can get an idea about how many to reorder.
It is good to have a correct tool for a job. there is less chance to ruin anice phone due to a tool slipping or rounding out a hole.
(I wish my co-workers would learn the concept of using the right size Phillips screwdriver!)
Quote from: kleenax on February 14, 2013, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on February 14, 2013, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: Doug Rose on February 14, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
Ain't Nothin' like the real thing. It is useful but not the real deal. I collect all the old tools as I have been a tech for over 35 years. I wish it was made more like the original....Doug
I have to agree with you - I am fortunate enough to have eventually found an original. But they are as scarce as Hens Teeth, and this will do the job.
The thing is, I have been told by several machinists, as I was looking into getting exact originals made, the cost of manufacture of original style tools could cost 5 times as much as making these.
That is why the compromise design.
Meanwhile, these will do everything the originals would.
Dave
I don't agree with you guys at all ;) I REALLY like the "new style" that GGoff had made. You can get a lot more torque on the new tool with much less effort than with the original, and the new design is a lot easier to hold onto.
Ray...to me its like the new E1 tools that are making the rounds. Probably does a better job, but its not the real deal. I have my E1 tool hanging in my collection, I take it down and use it. Put it back up. It's a piece of history. Gary's piece is great as a useful tool, but its not the same. Just my two cents....Doug
Oh, don't get me wrong here; I DO enjoy very much owning the original tools, I too have the original E1 tools and use them every time I need to take an E1 handset apart.
What I was commenting on was whether the "old/original" was better than the new tool in use. You just cannot get any amount of real torque on the original because all it has is a knurled ring to turn, whereas the new one has a very nice "T" handle on it, making actual use mush more efficient and easy on the fingers!
I was one of the lucky ones who was able to order one of these tools before they were all purchased, and it came today. First thing I did was take one of my AE phones apart. This is definitely one of the best tools I have now, and it certainly doesn't offend me that it's not an original. My compliments to the chef! Thank you!!
Again there is a limited supply of these tools available through the TCI Company Store at:
http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm (http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm)
Quote from: teka-bb on March 05, 2013, 04:17:52 PM
Again there is a limited supply of these tools available through the TCI Company Store at:
http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm (http://www.telephonecollectors.org/store/store.htm)
Great, Remco:
How many were made this time? I can't get over the popularity of these! Come and get 'em while they last!
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on March 05, 2013, 04:20:01 PM
How many were made this time?
There 12 were made but at least 4 of those are already sold.
Yes really cool tool. Im with Doug I would love to have one. since I am an AE50 junkie
What an amazing find!
Quote from: Doug Rose on August 23, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
What an amazing find!
Nice find, Doug. It isn't easy to find an original monophone tool these days. It took me a couple of years to find one for myself...
Dave
Doug, where did you end up finding this?
I found two NOS AE monophone extension phones new in the box. The seller almost threw away the tool as he didn't know what it was....Doug
Quote from: Doug Rose on August 24, 2013, 07:34:56 AM
I found two NOS AE monophone extension phones new in the box. The seller almost threw away the tool as he didn't know what it was....Doug
Ahh, you lucky dog! Some day I will find one of those extension phones (4A or Model 14A) in good shape. I haven't got one. These were most often used as Interphones.
Funny, these monophone tools seem to show up when you least expect them. There is something about the originals, though - I do prefer them to Gary's re-pop, but I hear his works very well.
Dave
Those extension phones are beautiful! Mint out of the box. Nice find!!
I'm moving to your side of the country so I can get some of the great phones you keep finding.
I am keeping one phone and selling the tool and the monophone tomorrow on eBay...Doug
Doug,
Your phones are one station (cat # AM-72 compact wall telephone) of AE's Type 33A18, 10 station Intercom System powered by 12 V DC with 12V DC buzzers for signaling, AE Catalog 4033 pg. 9 .
Sweet fine!!!!!! stub
Quote from: wds on August 24, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
I'm moving to your side of the country so I can get some of the great phones you keep finding.
Dave...the early bird catches the worm! Usually at the Flea market before the sun comes up. Every Saturday are yard sales. Today was the pits, five hours with not much to show. There are a lot of zeros before getting a hit. My average is well below the Mendoza line, but recently a few solid hits....Doug
Quote from: stub on August 24, 2013, 03:11:31 PM
Doug,
Your phones are one station (cat # AM-72 compact wall telephone) of AE's Type 33A18 10 station Intercom System, AE Catalog 4033 pg. 9 .
Sweet fine!!!!!! stub
thanks Stub...Doug
It's all a numbers game, Keep looking, keep asking and ye shall find the good stuff.
Pass out a lot of cards as you hit the yard sales. I have bought some good stuff from cards that were passed out years before. Perseverance is the Key to finding the good stuff.
JMO,
Jim
Quote from: Doug Rose on August 24, 2013, 07:34:56 AM
I found two NOS AE monophone extension phones new in the box. The seller almost threw away the tool as he didn't know what it was....Doug
I wouldn't have known either. Whats this tool for, and how do you use it?
dsk
Quote from: dsk on August 25, 2013, 04:14:06 AM
Quote from: Doug Rose on August 24, 2013, 07:34:56 AM
I found two NOS AE monophone extension phones new in the box. The seller almost threw away the tool as he didn't know what it was....Doug
I wouldn't have known either. Whats this tool for, and how do you use it?
dsk
See: http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=5596.0
Dave
Doug ,
Can you post pic of the insides of handset? The base matches the AE Intercom ( Inter Phone that Dave mentioned)) but the handset looks like a regular type 38. Thanks, stub
Stub...where this is NOS I really don't want to try to open it and cause any damage. I have never used one of the monophone tools...Sorry...Doug
I seen your tool on eBay the other day didn't pay attention to the sellers name...haha the phone kid, should have known Doug. As many ae 50's you have done I am surprised your parting with it. If it wasn't for the ae 35 I just got, I would be all over it.
Doug,
I don't blame you ,I think I got enough info from e-bay photos. Thanks, stub
Sorry to join this thread so late, but I just got back from the ATCA show in Indiana. Doug, were these tools packaged in with the telephones, or were they just extra? I'm just curious if these tools originally were supplied with the telephones, or if they were ordered separately.
Jon....only one tool and the seller had it separate so I am not sure. Owner did not know what it was and almost tossed it....Doug
Jon, I believe this tool was ordered separately:
"Cat. No. AW-17--Monophone Tool
For removing Monophone switch spanner nut on Type 50, 1A, 4A, 8, 18, and 10 Monophones, and on "Two-line" and bracket Monophones. Also for removing receiver cap bushing on Type 38 handsets."
Dial and Monophone Tools
page 44, AE Catalog 4055-D, 1944.
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/component/docman/doc_details/11195-aeco-catalog-4055-d-1944-ocr-r?Itemid=2
Also shown:
"Cat. No. AW-18--Monophone Cradle Wrench
For removing cradle from Type 1A, 8, 10, and 18 and Two-line Monophones.
"Cat. No. AW-13--Dial Escutcheon Lock Tool
"Cat. No. AW-14--End Wrench For Dial
For dial governor nut, and large impulse cam nut.
"Cat. No. AW-15--Socket Wrench for Dial
For small impulse cam nut.
"Cat. No. AW-16--Dial Pliers
For adjusting dial springs and governor."
Thanks for all that info. That's very interesting. I have what I think is an AE cradle wrench, but it is marked "H-43173-1". I bought it at a phone show about 10 years ago. It works on most of the AE cradle nuts that I have tried, but not all the nuts have the same outside diameter. I've had at least one nut that the wrench would not fit as it was slightly larger, or perhaps the notches were not cut as deeply as they should have been. I will add a photo of my wrench.
Quote from: Jon Kolger on September 02, 2013, 08:26:22 PM
Thanks for all that info. That's very interesting. I have what I think is an AE cradle wrench, but it is marked "H-43173-1". I bought it at a phone show about 10 years ago. It works on most of the AE cradle nuts that I have tried, but not all the nuts have the same outside diameter. I've had at least one nut that the wrench would not fit as it was slightly larger, or perhaps the notches were not cut as deeply as they should have been. I will add a photo of my wrench.
From the AE 150-540 Technical Bulletin:
I have misplace my AE tool and I cannot budge the hook switch assembly on the AE35 and AE50 I got at Brimfield last week. Any one have any ideas what to use in its place? Any one have one for sale?....Doug
Doug .... Drop by a hardware store in your area, and buy a cheap 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch drive socket. Use something like a Dremel Tool with a grinding wheel on it, and grind away some of the steel on both sides of the socket's opening, leaving 2 pins of the appropriate width to fit the 2 slots on the hook switch retainer nut.
The cheap sockets are easy to grind off, and don't cost much. Measure the diameter of the retainer nut so you can accurately select a socket of the proper diameter. Even if you don't have a socket set, at least you can grip the socket with a pair of vise grips. Picture attached.
Jeff
thanks Jeff....I'll give it a try...Doug
I got it open today. It is a true 35....PLUS IT WORKS!!!! Even rings on incoming. Handset cord probably should be replaced. ....Doug