Several more boxes were picked up yesterday, and I have three more shipping opportunities this month. As these arrive, I will detail them in this thread rather than starting new threads.
My thanks to travelers heading this way this summer and Don.
Dave
In one of the boxes which arrived today are 15-20 WE 1001h handsets, all in various stages of repair. There are 13 complete and about 10-15 missing the transmitter ring/cap. Most are nickel plated, and some of them are black adonized. Hopefully when I have time to get to them, I will find i have enough nits and pieces in the box to complete a large number of them.
Hopefully if tomorrow's storm isn't too severe, I will get a chance to go through some of these.
Dave
Brian Gough just stopped by the drop off another 3 boxes of assorted items.
Probably the prize is a dial version of the Lucent 2520B Explosion proof set to complement my TT version. I believe the model number for this one is is WE320. It is complete in all respects, except, of course it is dial, rather than TT.
Also, a ton of WE butt sets (the older nickel plated types), more military, etc. etc.
It is going to take me a few days to get it all organized, and I will upload information about the highlights.
I just hope I get these sorted before the next batch arrives!
Dave
Here is an update on this find from Don...
There are 13 complete 1001 handsets and about ten to 15 missing their transmitter caps and rings.
2 - 322C3 Elevator phones, one minus its handset and the other missing its handset and dial. Both are missing their 101A induction coils. I have the parts in stock to restore both.
1- There is one Model 320 Explosion Proof Phone in good shape and complete.
2 - GEG Multi Phones.
Another intercom, Probably British
Tons of 1001 handsets needing transmitter caps and a number of butt sets.
Also another Mark I RCAF field set including good handset/cord
1 Military handset and wall mount/hook switch..
These all need to be cleaned up yet.
Dave
I hope you have lots of room Dave. I spent the day in the warehouse on Friday and I have a LOT more stuff for you! There are some really interesting pieces that will really tax your investigative superpowers!
Hi Don:
I am having a great time going through the items received so far!
With yesterday's storm I didn't get back at it till this afternoon. Since the power was off, spent some time cleaning up some of the WE 1001 handsets in the porch as there was enough light to work there. Finally tonight, the power came back on, after 32 hours without, so am looking forward to getting a lot more done tomorrow!
Just like Christmas when a new batch lands. Thank you so much, Don!
Dave
Quote from: oldphoneworks on July 05, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
I hope you have lots of room Dave. I spent the day in the warehouse on Friday and I have a LOT more stuff for you! There are some really interesting pieces that will really tax your investigative superpowers!
Hi All:
I spent a while today working on the two elevator phones. I have installed a dial and a new 101A network in each, and have them mostly rewired. Only one problem - I have two wires (same in each) which don't match the schematic wire colours and which disappear into the wiring bundle. I still have to locate the other end of them, then I should be able to finish up.
I still need to put a handset on each. Funny, a few months ago I was thinking that I wished I had an elevator phone, but their prices were running too high at the time, and lo and behold these show up in the latest batch from Don.
I was also looking for a 1001A handset. I do have a pair of 1004 Forest Service handsets with the built in battery, buzzer, and coil. Now I have 13 complete ones. I still have to clean them up, but decided I would put the elevator and the mine phone ahead of them in the queue!
Something you guys should keep in mind. Most of these are nickel plated. Some of them have had black electrical tape wound around them, and when it was removed, it left a thick layer of black plastic under the bottom layer. I tried my usual WD-40 and alcohol to remove it, but it had been on for too long to come off that way. So what I eventually used was 18th Century paint stripper, put a little on the tape, and in seconds it would wipe away. Don't of course do this on a painted item, but to get tape residue off nickel, it is perfect! Just in case you have such a situation. Free 1001 handsets for the next 10-12 collector visitors to the museum! Lots of spare parts for them also other than transmitter rings and covers.
Thanks again, Don!
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on July 05, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
Another intercom, Probably British
If that's the one at the top right of the photo, I think it's a GEC
http://www.britishtelephones.com/gec/tel1j.htm
Yes, that one is a GEC. It was actually the one on the lower left I was referring to... Any idea what GEC model that one is?
Dave
Quote from: Owain on July 07, 2014, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on July 05, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
Another intercom, Probably British
If that's the one at the top right of the photo, I think it's a GEC
http://www.britishtelephones.com/gec/tel1j.htm (http://www.britishtelephones.com/gec/tel1j.htm)
Quote from: DavePEI on July 07, 2014, 04:00:33 PM
Yes, that one is a GEC. It was actually the one on the lower left I was referring to... Any idea what GEC model that one is?
I don't recognise the lower left; unless there are markings or someone recognises the handset, the box itself is fairly anonymous.
Lots of the GEC versions look alike externally.
Quote from: Owain on July 07, 2014, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on July 07, 2014, 04:00:33 PM
Yes, that one is a GEC. It was actually the one on the lower left I was referring to... Any idea what GEC model that one is?
I don't recognize the lower left; unless there are markings or someone recognizes the handset, the box itself is fairly anonymous.
Lots of the GEC versions look alike externally.
The GEC phone has 5 lines selected by push buttons. When you hang up, it cancels the previous line selection. It is designed as an intercom, I would say, as it contains no network aty all, and its line cord terminates in a 4"x6" junction box. I have two of those phones, but the bakelite in the second one had a big chunk out of it. The GEC ones have a handset cradle suitable for both wall or desk mounting.
Being more of a North American collector than European, I know little or nothing about these.
So if anyone has any further information about this or the other European phone, I would appreciate it if you could fill me in.; The GEC one s identified by a GEC logo on it - the other one on the lower left bears no logo.
Dave
Yes, the GEC is an intercom.
The circuits are unlikely to have changed much since the 1920s - see here for inspiration
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12209.msg129013#msg129013
Thanks!
Dave
Quote from: Owain on July 08, 2014, 06:52:49 AM
Yes, the GEC is an intercom.
The circuits are unlikely to have changed much since the 1920s - see here for inspiration
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12209.msg129013#msg129013 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12209.msg129013#msg129013)
Hi All:
Quite a day working over in the Museum workshop. I have rebuilt the two 322C3 Elevator phones I got in my last shipment from Don. Both needed new things like new dial, both 101A inductors had been stripped off, and both handsets were MIA.
I had the parts here, so today I made that my project - next the mine phone, then finally going through all the 1001 handsets and combining them so the ones I keep are the best looking.
The biggest problem I ran across with the two elevator phones is that there were two capacitors, a 1 uf and a 2 uf in mine - the schematics showed a single capacitor version. So that muddied the issue and left me with a lot of head scratching as I worked my way through trying to trace the wiring. I still haven't cleaned them - I am leaving that until I have both completely done otherwise.
It isn't often you can show both the inside and outside of a hone in one shot, but here is one of the exceptions - identical phones - one viewed from the top, and one from the bottom.
Dave
The schematic in C65.861 shows two capacitors:
1 MF for the buzzer: yellow to L2Y, slate to K
2 MF talk: red to C, black to BK on dial
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_view/3494-c65-861-i1-322-type-sets-elevator-connections
Can't get the link to go to just the one BSP. It's
C65.861, Issue 1, 3-22-43
Telephone Sets
322 Type--Connections
All you need to do now is turn a cupboard (or closet, whatever term's used over there!!) into something that looks like an elevator and mount one of those phones inside... ;D
Yes, I know. It is the one schematic I was able to find that included it. #2 is the 2 uf cap located on the right hand side (viewed from the bottom), and #1 is the 1uf located under and held in place by the 101 mount.
The 2 uf goes between BK on the dial and C of the coil as you say.
However, both later schematics I have do not include the 2 uf capacitor.
Dave
Quote from: poplar1 on July 08, 2014, 03:28:06 PM
The schematic in C65.861 shows two capacitors:
1 MF for the buzzer: yellow to L2Y, slate to K
2 MF talk: red to C, black to BK on dial
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_view/3494-c65-861-i1-322-type-sets-elevator-connections (http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/document-repository/doc_view/3494-c65-861-i1-322-type-sets-elevator-connections)
I have found another Bell Canada Practice: Section 1980 402-4020-500 covering both the 322 and 522 which includes the version of the 322 elevator phone with both capacitors on page 5.
http://telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/doc_details/11951-502-4020-100-dec80-bc-322-522-elevator-sets-ocr-r (http://telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/doc_details/11951-502-4020-100-dec80-bc-322-522-elevator-sets-ocr-r)
Although drawn in the more modern fashion, it matches the earlier 1943 AT&T C65.861 drawing.
Connections to these phones are made via the L1 and L2 terminals on the 101A coil.
Dave
Can you provide the diagram of the one-capacitor circuit? I don't recall seeing any anti-sidetone NE or WE sets with a single capacitor.
Quote from: poplar1 on July 09, 2014, 11:16:07 AM
Can you provide the diagram of the one-capacitor circuit? I don't recall seeing any anti-sidetone NE or WE sets with a single capacitor.
Its just my eyes - again. Thank goodness that I have an appointment with my opthamologist tomorrow. I am going weekly for injections in the eyeballs which will hopefully work soon, but the plan B is laser surgery to correct the disturbances in the eye's macula. A neighbour is coming down to drive me in. I can still drive normally, as it is my close up vision which is affected, but not on the days I get shots. Each shot leaves me with very little vision for a couple of days. These shots are supposed to counteract the diabetic cysts and blood vessels that are growing in the macula or light sensing part of the eye. If that fails, laser surgery is the next step.
When I got out a magnifying glass, sure enough I found the capacitors hidden (at least to my eyes) in the drawings. Drives me crazy when they let me down like that. 8)
I did get both elevator phones finished and tested and they were working perfectly, and also my dial mine phone. I still have to clean the case thread - it is sticking a few threads in (Though of course I disabled the case lock). It is likely a build up inside the threads - nothing a wire brush won't take care of. However, It, too works well and I was too tired to take it to the next step, cleaning the threads.
Next step taking the complete 1001 handsets and, using my many spares, replacing parts that are scratched, bent, or dinged.
Then the full clean-up begins on all of them. Many have spots where the nickle is dull or where someone has wound plastic electrical tape on them. It has been on them for years, On those you can remove the tape, and there is a good deposit under it of black plastic from the first layer of tape. I have found by experimentation that paint stripper will remove that residue very fast and without damage to the nickel. Of course, I will have to use some other means on the painted ones. However, I ran out the other day and had to pick up another small can.
Gotta keep at it so I am ready when the next bunch arrives!
Oops - just got an email tonight - 8 more boxes on the way! Better get my tail moving and get this bunch tidied up!One final note: Has anyone got keys for a 23A lock for the mine phone? They were all keyed the same and I would love to get a key to fit the one in this. If worse came to worse, I will just leave the lock off the phone.
Dave
Ok, as I work my way through this batch, I have come across a couple of interesting Signal Corps Handsets joined together with a small junction block. These may be sound powered.
They are labelled as follows:
Signal Corps US Army
TS-10-D
Serial No. 1 Order No. 46-CH1-42
Made By
Kellogg Switchboard & Supply Co
Chicago, Illinois
Signal Corps US Army
TS-10-D
Serial No. 2 Order No. 46-CH1-42
Made By
Kellogg Switchboard & Supply Co.
Chicago, Illinois
Does anyone know anything about them? What are the odds of having both serial numbers 1 & 2?
Note: I have added photos of the handset elements and of the connecting block used between the two handsets to this message.
Dave
Hi All:
I just got a phone call that 8 more boxes of phone stuff have arrived on the Island and will be here by 11 a.m. As always, it will be like Christmas opening the boxes to find out what Don has packed in them! These boxes were brought down by Jerry St. John, an Island visitor who happened to be passing through Kingston.
Dave
Hi Folks:
My shipper just left after dropping off 8 boxes from Don.
This is just a quick sample of what has shown up so far in the three boxes I have opened. I need now to move things around so I can make room to unpack the other 5 boxes.
In the photos, 4 operator's breast microphones, an unidentified SC brass box with rotary switch, a boom microphone to fit my 1240 switchboard, speakerphone and control, credit validating phone, another later explosion phone, another elevator phone, this time from the 500 series, a small switchboard (haven't yet had time to investigate it to see what make or model it is, and an exterior call box, plus tons of stuff I didn't have room to photograph. Then there are still 5 unopened boxes!
There is a bakelite case for a TMC wall magneto set in the lot (now, what would a person need that for?) Well, I just happen to have an identical TMC phone here which has a damaged case. These phones were used as a stopgap measure back when the Island was still mostly magneto, but NE had changed most of their production over to common battery. I was very pleased to see this in the lot, and quite happy!
Update: I received information tonight from Keith Cheshire which identifies the switchboard as an upside down 506A 3 trunk, seven ext. 5 links (paths). Many of these were taken out of service when the newer 4-7 series came out and modified for Civil Defense use.
At this rate you'll need to have another house built to expand the museum!! ;D
Quote from: twocvbloke on July 13, 2014, 12:55:12 PM
At this rate you'll need to have another house built to expand the museum!! ;D
That's for sure!
Dave
Ok, back from unpacking the rest of the boxes. I am exhausted! All kinds of interesting goodies. The board was a 506A 3 trunk, seven ext. 5 links (paths) (only I photographed it upside down :) ) and another elevator phone, a 320a to add to the 2 520a 's I found in the batch yesterday and the two 320a's I rebuilt earlier in the week. There was also i nice Howler, and several Starlite Wall phones, and a whole slew of other interesting item.
Looks like I will be in a position to share some elevator phones but give me a while.
Just like Christmas!
There's still more on the way, ny the way! IF anyone is interested in any of the items I won't be using, PM me and ask.
Dave
Linda and I did a lot of work on the last batch this afternoon to make enough room for the arrival of the next batch later in the week.
I re-attached the transmitter to the switchboard boom -- it had come loose from its swaged collet, and amongst many other things, took another photo of the switchboard. There will be some work necessary to it - some of the glue between sections has let go, and it will need refinishing, but that is something I enjoy doing for fun.
I also cleaned up a Bell System first aid kit included in the batch. Also from this batch was a Gamewell fire alarm, now residing beside my 1923 Gamewell/NE alarm in the entry to the museum. This alarm is much more recent than my first Gamewell.
Nuther Load Today!
Another interesting load arrived today, This was a smaller load as the person carrying it for me had less room in their car than some of the others, but that didn't make it any less interesting.
Included was a neat little Stanley & Patterson anunciator, two NE 17C magneto test boxes, another Russian Princesse (Crouse-Hinds explosion proof phones), an ancient arrestor, and a number of interesting NE intercoms the same as one which came in an earlier shipment. Used as packing material were a bunch of NOS 7 foot switchboard cords!
The Russian Princess has the switchhook arranged for wall mounting.
Don tells me he had a lot more for the museum, and I am looking for more people coming to the Island to bring more down.
Here is a photo of today's lot!
I have moved our extensive discussion of My Ten Line Magneto Cordless Switchboard received in one of these lots to the Switching area, magneto boards.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12328.0 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12328.0)
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on July 23, 2014, 01:11:31 PM
I have moved our extensive discussion of My Ten Line Magneto Cordless Switchboard received in one of these lots to the Switching area, magneto boards.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12328.0 (http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=12328.0)
Dave
I finished the4 switchboard today, thankfully, and am moving on to other projects. Several more boxes are in transport, and it will be interesting to see what are in them. In the meantime, I have police and fire call boxes to work on, as well as the little anunciator I want to work on. No rest for the wicked!
Dave
Now that the switchboard is done, here is the Latest Project from the latest haul:
A Stanley & Patterson (Deveau) Annunciator, made Feb 8 1924. Yes, this is the same company who brought you the famed Deveau Candlesicks and Intercoms. Annunciators were used in many applications, one noted app was in a large home to have a servant call button in various rooms. If you pressed the button, it would ring a bell in the servant's quarters, and the employee could look up at the instrument to see from which room the call came from.
It was a simple electromagnetic device - an electromagnet would pull in a pawl, which would allow the corresponding drop to fall. A push button on the bottom would reset all drops to their normal state. A bell located in the annunciator rang whenever a drop fell.
I think you will all find this an interesting device.
Yes, a communications device alright.... just not much telephony here.
Next up will be one of three NCR Electrical Credit System Type 'F' Stamping phones I got in a recent shipment.You can have one for cost of shipping and a couple of dollars to cover handling.
These were set up to obtain credit charge authorization via intercom to a credit representative in the store. When authorization was received, it would stamp a ticket inserted from the right and stored in the drawer. Quite a few of these reside in collections.
One would communicate via a built in intercom and a 1001 handset. Each push button reached an approval officer for a particular range of surnames. The approval operator would sit aside a switchboard with the credit records in a case in front of them.
In the meantime, while I work on my two, you will find information on these on Paul F's page at:
http://www.paul-f.com/NCRcredit.html (http://www.paul-f.com/NCRcredit.html)
Next Up!
Next up in the queue is a desk model (I think Siemens) looking European dial phone with a lock and key in the left hand corner. I will post a photo later in the day- I will be tied up at least for some of the day with a museum tour but hopefully will have some time to take a photo of it and have time to open it up and see what the key activates. It does not lock up the dial physically, but may do it electrically....
Has anyone seen one with a lock in the left hand corner? This one does have the keys. While I don't collect this type of telephone normally, it came with the last batch and intrigues me.
Dave
Eye Candy and More on the Way!
Today was an interesting day. I had a two hour visit from a lovely young lady named Megan Stewart, a Charlottetown gal who is currently studying art in Vancouver.
Later this summer, she is doing an art display in Charlottetown involving phones. I was able to give her a red dial 500 for her display, some insulators, as well as one of the PowerDSine ring generators to use in the display. This will go down in my books as one of the most enjoyable museum visits ever. She was referred to me by Bell-Aliant.
She was nice, and had a great time. It is such a pleasure to see a young lady with such an interest in phones.
Also, while Megan was here, I got the news another 10 boxes of phones have left Ontario and are winding their way down as we speak... Can't wait to see what I will find in them!
Wouldn't Megan have made a wonderful ad for 500 sets! Its so lovely, and it matches my dress!
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on July 27, 2014, 05:31:17 AMNext up in the queue is a desk model (I think Siemens) looking European dial phone with a lock and key in the left hand corner.
Looks like an Aussie PMG 800 series phone, not sure which model considering that it has the lock in place but I have seen them about... :)
http://www.britishtelephones.com/aus/802.htm
Quote from: twocvbloke on July 27, 2014, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on July 27, 2014, 05:31:17 AMNext up in the queue is a desk model (I think Siemens) looking European dial phone with a lock and key in the left hand corner.
Looks like an Aussie PMG 800 series phone, not sure which model considering that it has the lock in place but I have seen them about... :)
http://www.britishtelephones.com/aus/802.htm (http://www.britishtelephones.com/aus/802.htm)
Thank you for the information. I tried yesterday to get it working with N.A. lines to no avail, but I did some reading over night which I hope will help. It will be this afternoon's task, amongst others... It is a nice looking little phone.
--
Update: Monday afternoon:I have the wiring for N.A. doped out. Take the red and white wires, short them together and they go to the red on the N..A. line cord. No need for the resistor used in British mods. Take the black on the PMG and connect it to green on the N.A. line cord, Turn key to the right to dial. Turning it to the left shuts off the dial. Blue from the original cord is not used..--
I can't wait until the latest batch arrives from Ontario. As with the others, I have no idea what will be in the ten boxes, but I have never been disappointed yet! They should be here in a day or two.
And Now, an Update for this:
I just got a call from the Confederation Bridge. Wayne Cameron just passed over the bridge carrying ten boxes of phones for me and will be dropping them off this evening!Dave
The next ten boxes arrived last night just about sundown...
I still haven't gone through it all, but there are some very interesting items in it. Pretty well all items need some work, bt most are complete. Just off the top of my head, two of the more interesting items (and that just happen to be communications items but not phone items) are a set of 6 electromagnetic earphones in a lab case with a 9 position hub. I have seen these used in the past in language labs, etc. The great thing about it, is the earphones are in pretty well mint shape and would/will be great for radio and telephone projects.
There is a very old Hallicrafters S41-G short wave receiver... I took the chance of carefully plugging it in (usually a no-no because of deformed and dried out capacitors and it didn't make any smoke signals :) It did when it warmed up have an objectionable amount of hum, a sign of caps going bad. This is a very collectable receiver, and I may fix it up when I have time. I should have most of the needed replacement capacitors here from my Radio/TV days.
There are a number of switchboard cables (NIB), two NOS Stromberg Carlson inductor coils and quite a few telephone intercoms from various manufacturers. One is a very ornate copper design, with obvious European influences.
One item of interest to a lot of you is there is a Northeast Electronics Dial Analyzer in the lot. It is missing its outer case and looks as though it had been rack mounted, but it looks intact. I will have to look it over further. It measures make-break ratio and dial speed and a number of other functions.
I will take photos of some of the more interesting items later today and post them. If there are any items you have a particular interest in, let me know in case I decide I don't need them for display or in case I have duplicates...
Dave
Photos:
There are several of many of the items - I have only taken one photo. I didn't photograph many items....
Dave
More Photos including AE 1970 Electronic Secretary.All items are farm fresh and have not been cleaned, polished ot otherwise refurbed.
Dave
That NEC test set is the one I used to adjust dials while at COT.There should be a lid with the 48V power supply.That strange middle eastern set was bought by Mr Marsh on ebay The guts were Ericssion .This set was the first thing bought on Ebay in the 1990s .Got taken we thought
Quote from: rdelius on July 29, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
That NEC test set is the one I used to adjust dials while at COT.There should be a lid with the 48V power supply.That strange middle eastern set was bought by Mr Marsh on ebay The guts were Ericssion .This set was the first thing bought on Ebay in the 1990s .Got taken we thought
A perfect person to ask then about the NEC... It is externally powered off 48 VDC. Where does the power plug - into the lower right hand side 48 volt inputs? The top section was basically an accessory, for trunk testing, wasn't it? I do have a great little bench 48 volt switching supply I intend to try with it, plus lots of swiitch-board plugs to feed it... It will be interesting to see tomorrow how much I can get it to do.
Alas, I have no operating manual, so will be going blind :)
Regarding the little "mid eastern set" - it is the first of these I have seen. It cost me nothing (not even shipping), so I am not about to complain. These were all courtesy Don and people coming for their vacation to the Island who brought them down...
Dave
The lid had a -48V power supply.Had to repair it a couple of times. I put test clips on the dial terminals
switch on % direct ,adjust for 100% to calibrate it .this unit I bought from ITT in Raleigh when they closed the plant. sold this to COT and it sat at my desk for most of 25 years I rebuilt and adjusted dials there.Had no instructions but it worked well
Quote from: rdelius on July 29, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
The lid had a -48V power supply.Had to repair it a couple of times. I put test clips on the dial terminals
switch on % direct ,adjust for 100% to calibrate it .this unit I bought from ITT in Raleigh when they closed the plant. sold this to COT and it sat at my desk for most of 25 years I rebuilt and adjusted dials there.Had no instructions but it worked well
Thanks! Well, I will give it a try tomorrow using my desk 48 volt supply and see what happens. While it is missing its case, it appears to be in good condition - no sign of missing or discoloured components, se we'll see what happens!
Thanks!
Dave,
I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your updates about things at the museum. Enjoyable and educational...I guess that is what museums are supposed to be.
Well done.
Thanks,
Nick
Thanks, Nick!
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on July 29, 2014, 05:03:29 AM
One item of interest to a lot of you is there is a Northeast Electronics Dial Analyzer in the lot. It is missing its outer case and looks as though it had been rack mounted, but it looks intact. I will have to look it over further. It measures make-break ratio and dial speed and a number of other functions.
I would be surprised if this is a dial analyzer. Do you have a manual? I think it is a signaling test set, that generates among other things pulse trains to switching equipment to test the switchboard end, not a dial. Western Electric had a signaling test set No. 2B, that I think is the equivalent.
Quote from: unbeldi on July 30, 2014, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: DavePEI on July 29, 2014, 05:03:29 AM
One item of interest to a lot of you is there is a Northeast Electronics Dial Analyzer in the lot. It is missing its outer case and looks as though it had been rack mounted, but it looks intact. I will have to look it over further. It measures make-break ratio and dial speed and a number of other functions.
I would be surprised if this is a dial analyzer. Do you have a manual? I think it is a signaling test set, that generates among other things pulse trains to switching equipment to test the switchboard end, not a dial. Western Electric had a signaling test set No. 2B, that I think is the equivalent.
Northeast Electronics,
TTS-26B, is a Pulse Signal Test Set. It is a multifunction instrument, which may be used for testing dials, and also setting up registers and trunks on SA1 Xbar switches. They can be used to set the Make/break times of the outpulsing relays.
To use to set up dial speed and breaks, the controls on the upper left hand side are used as confirmed by rdelius. The dial connectors, adjust break % is used to calibrate the test, in conjunction with the meter switch.
If it is undamaged and works properly will be much easier than setting up my scope each time I wish to check the timing of a dial.
Incidentally, for anyone who does work with T1 lines, you might be interested in a portable T Carrier Monitor I received and Electrodata TM-1. It is of little use to me, but I could be pursuaded to let it go. It gives all indications that it is operational.
Dave
Still work with TI circuits at the radio station but ATT is dropping the service in some markets.Use T1 for high quality audio connections with less problems than internet. Hope the dial analizer still works
Rebuilt 1000s of dials with it
Today's Report 3:40 pm.
Today, I tackled a few jobs, including testing out the NEC TTS-26B. I almost have it working, but its oscillator isn't operating. So I will tackle it again when my mind clears... I do however, have it powering up - just have to get past that problem...
I cleaned and tested out the white Contemprette which was in the second last lot - it works like a charm. It is the digi-pulse dialing version of the Contemprette and in NOS condition (after cleaning). No discoloration or scratches. So onto display beside my Contemporas it will go. Does anyone know what the 9 volt battery is for on the Contemprette... Memory backup? It works with or without the battery - this is about all I can see it being there for. Contemprette isn't a model we normally see in Canada, but we do see tome of Contempras.
The other day I mocked up the PMG 800 - the Australian key lock dial phone. I made a new wiring harness for it today, shorted the red and white line cords and connected the line green to its blue lead. Previously I had shorted the intra-ringer leads so it would ring.
Put it on my BK tester, and all worked other than dialing out. Hmmm. Must have been getting tired. I forgot to turn the key on so it could dial! Works like a charm and is another phone which appears NOS - no scratches or discoloration. I really like that phone.
I may do more later on, but for the time being I am exhausted!
Dave
Ah, finally, the last of it should be on the way on Friday. This time, no easy free way to get it down -- there are almost 40 boxes of assorted "stuff" (2 pallets), so I had to arrange to have it shipped freight....
Glad to have the last of it coming, and it should be in Charlottetown on Monday... I will find out next week what is in them!
Dave
As I prepared my storage area today in preparation for the arrival of the last two pallets of phones, I noticed several items I hadn't paid much attention to before...
First, in one box, were 4 NOS White AE187 3 Line Phones. All are still in their plastic sleeves as they came in from the factory. Sadly, on one the faceplate was dinged in, but otherwise even that phone is perfect.
One other item of interest is a 1920s Western Electric 10-D speaker driver base roughly the size and shape of apint paint can. An ohmmeter check shows continuity through its coil. Also there is a Western Electric Shawphone and a Dictograph Products (ID = 1372135) Speaker-P. in the batch. All these are variations of horn speaker from the 20s.
Another nice item, though not NOS like the other NT Contemprette:I found earlier in the week, was another white Contemprette. It, as compared to the other one I found does show minor wear from use.
Also found today were several Leich 901 Convertible magneto phone cases in great shape. The bases are there, but the magneto and coils have been stripped from them. I took notice of this, as when my 901 (on display) arrived, its case had been smashed, and it took some time to find a good case for it.
Dave
Well, I should say the last two pallets are now on the way. The truckers I hired to bring down the pallets gave the pickup ticket to the wrong truck - one heading west on Friday! As a result, it stayed there over the weekend. It was finally picked up at noon.
So, I have two people arranged to come in with me later this week to put them on pickup trucks at the terminal and then to bring them out and re-stack them on the pallets to prepare them for sorting. I can't wait until I get the chance to see what is in them.
Incidentally, I am sure I will have some great goodies to give people who visit the museum this fall, all thanks to Don. Alas, in the past this hasn't been possible, as I only got those items I needed for display and had few spares...
Dave
The AE type 187s most likely came from Electro Installation in Snow Camp NC.They bought wherehouses full of new AE equiptment then they were shutting down.They cut the cords off the sets for scrap and we bought the sets for the parts.Nice clean white coiled cords with capsules and the touch pads were good for conversion and repairing AE single slot paystations.
Quote from: rdelius on August 11, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
The AE type 187s most likely came from Electro Installation in Snow Camp NC.They bought wherehouses full of new AE equiptment then they were shutting down.They cut the cords off the sets for scrap and we bought the sets for the parts.Nice clean white coiled cords with capsules and the touch pads were good for conversion and repairing AE single slot paystations.
That could very well have been the original source. They are NOS, but someone had cut the multi-conductor cord off them. The phones, their handsets, and the phone bodies were wrapped on original type plastic bags, and no signs of use. Glad to get them, as the only 187 I had on display was fairly obviously used, though in better than average condition.
Dave
The cords were cut off for scrap before the the sets were sold to COT .COT sold out to Old phone works in Canada.Electro Installation had Strowger switch parts,dials,chrome fingerwheels and associated parts ,3 slot parts,NOS plastics.I have a pile of Strowger switch jack fields from there.Got lots of dial mounting kits that allowed you to put a WE #7 or 9 dial on a type 80.Kits had 4-36 screws. They were opening the kits and dumping the contents in the scrap metal piles.We never needed dial screws again
Hi All:
After a really tiring day, here is a very short report about today's arrival of two more pallets of phones and phone items from Don.
The shipment arrived at Day and Ross this morning, and we took two pickup trucks in this afternoon to get the load at their Charlottetown depot. Both pallets were stacked to about 6 feet tall and over 1250 lbs in all. One pallet was placed on each truck and tied down securely, and the slow trip home began. We were amazed at how patient other drivers were as they navigated around our convoy. No one beeped, and no one gave us the finger, as we kept the speed along the route to well under the speed limit.
When we arrived here our other help arrived and it took close to two hours for three people to move the load, box by box, indoors and stack it all on pallets inside.
Now, in the barn there is a stack of phones and phone equipment 4 feet tall and 16 feet long... It has been growing all summer, but now with over 70 boxes full in there, it is quite remarkable!
While of course, I haven't had much time to look through it, I have noticed some really interesting items as we unloaded. To begin with, there are two NE panel payphones, a QSK100A and QSK2100A, and one US CRT payphone. There is a complete Conference phone set in its case, two NT Displayphones, and unless my eyes deceived me as we unloaded, there is a small Strowger Demo unit buried in the middle of the pile. Beyond that, I really can't even tell you - a case of true sensory overload!
Tomorrow, I will try to get through a bit more and take some photos.
Thanks, Don!
Dave
Altright. Here are the first two, and I think you will find them both interesting.
Shown first is a keysender which would have been used on a switchboard for speedy entry of numbers. It was one of thousands of interesting items in today's batch...
Then an item we all recognize, but shouldn't - a blue box, used by hackers back in the day to navigate the long distance network. It sent tones in the MF form to control network switching. Strangely, it had a working battery in it. However, this form of switching hasn't been available in years thanks to technological changes and to abuses of the system.
Reminds me of Phil's book!
Dave
A 1920s fire telegraph which turned up in the batch!
Dave
Last Photo for today - showing a Northern Electric QSK100A, QSK2100A panel phones, an AT&T Public Payphone Plus, the conference phone minus its speakers, cables, microphones which are in its case, the Fire Telegraph and a Call Box, the Keysender, and a Northern Electric Strowger Switch Stand and switch. Not shown, a small Strowger Demo switch on the floor, and literally thousands of other interesting items in the pile!
Finally, the PILE!
Dave
That AT&T CRT phone is VERY 1980s, looks like a film prop made for something set in an 80's vision of the future (then again, I guess it was an 80's vision of the future, a bit too early though, as we do have payphones which are basically computers now which can browse the web & send email)... ;D
Still, that pile of goodies should keep you busy for a while, especially during the winter... :)
Quote from: twocvbloke on August 15, 2014, 12:26:02 PM
Still, that pile of goodies should keep you busy for a while, especially during the winter... :)
Sure will! I have to call it my find of a life-time. I have had some phones given me before, but by and large, I have bought my phones one at a time, and never had an infusion like this. Terry B. was one notable exception to this, as he did donate large numbers of phones when I first opened the museum. This has made 2014 a very interesting year.
Not knowing what will be in the next batch has made it like Christmas for months! The best part is that this finally puts me in a position of potentially being able to share some of my good luck with others, and giving me the ability to make fair trades
Incidentally, in a note for Terry, there is a 10 line SAU (Secretarial Answering Unit from AE) in the batch from Don...
Dave
Just a quick note for today on the two NE Panel Phones...
I spoke with Jody Haralson today regarding getting keys for the NE22QD upper locks for them, and I think we have come up with a way to get them. He has two NE22QD locks there, an NE22QD2 and an NE22QD3. He doesn't have keys for them, but he got them from Paul Vaverchak a few days before Paul passed away.
Jody is going to make keys for the two locks, plus sample keys for himself and send them to me - if either fits, I will let him know, and then we will have a cross reference for these keys.
If this fails, I will have to try to figure out a way to get the upper locks out of these two phones without destroying them and send them to Jody so we will have a template for future needs.
I have told you before - Jody is a great fellow who will work with you to find a solution to key needs!
Dave
Hi Pholks:
I got through a few more boxes today, beginning with test equipment.
First photo a Leeds-Northrup test box...
Then a Frequency Meter...
Then a Dictograph Master Station...
Then a 54A Transmission Measuring Kit...
Then an interesting small test cabinet unit....
Finally, an interesting colour of NOS 554 was fgund. Interior colour is the same as the exterior - it is not a faded moss green...
Also, several more Strowger selectors and connectors were found along with 48 volt power supplies and ring generators. They will make a nice surprise for an unsuspecting visitor with an interest in getting into switching...
Dave
Today, I had the first visitors since the arrival of THE PILE!
Shown below, Bill (tallguy58) and son, Liam Gee of Toronto as they go through the hoard and the museum today. I think they enjoyed themselves!
By the way, as we went through further boxes, we found a Northern Electric branded Teletrainer in nice shape, as well as a large Bell lantern and a number of more Fire Telegraphs and Call Boxes, amongst other items.
Dave
I'm sure they did have a good time, it's always fun to meet a forum member.
Is that your garage with that impressive pile (from Don)? I'd love to find a teletrainer or a phone in mine. Pictured below was my (small) pile from about a year ago.
Ben
Quote from: WesternElectricBen on August 18, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
XIs that your garage with that impressive pile (from Don)? I'd love to find a teletrainer or a phone in mine. Pictured below was my (small) pile from about a year ago.
Ben
Hi Ben:
Yes, that is my barn... Not only did I find the Teletrainer, but all the other items I have mentioned, and as Bill would tell you, many tons more! He and Liam helped me to get through the boxes I had not yet had time to go through!
Dave
What an amazing amount of stuff! Liam sure enjoyed helping Dave with the treasure hunt. We're holding a WE transmitter and headset mounted on a swinging boom. Thing weighs a ton. I seem to recall seeing it in a catalog somewhere. Dave was gracious enough to let us leave with some goodies. Like Liam said: "He's a really nice man".
He sure is. A true phone pioneer for setting up that museum. You all have to go see it.
Thanks a ton, Dave. A highlight of our trip to PEI.
Here is the Teletrainer we came across in one of the unopened boxes today. It is a Northern Electric QKC1B teletrainer built c.a. 1972 . It is a solid state unit and is labelled in both English and French...
It appears to be in good condition - I have to try to find further documentation for it, to determine the correct wiring for the multi-pin connectors on the back for the phones... I do have T9 catalogue listings for it, but need information not included there. This unit was made in Canada.
Below these photos,one of the two cell #6 lantern we found yesterday in THE PILE!
Dave
2 Plugs Needed for Teletrainer!
I need two plugs for the below-mentioned Teletrainer. They are the same size as the vintage 4 prong plugs, but has 8 conductors and includes one enlarged pin (no conductor) for indexing.
I also am looking for ideas for a power cable. While it looks as though one should be able to use a simple extension cord, the female end of one is just a bit too large to fit the socket in the back of the unit...
Any ideas? I also have placed this request int he wanted section of the board, but feel that if people could also see it in context, it would be easier to understand the need.
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on August 19, 2014, 02:27:30 PMI also am looking for ideas for a power cable. While it looks as though one should be able to use a simple extension cord, the female end of one is just a bit too large to fit the socket in the back of the unit...
If you have a moulded plastic extension cable, you could probably carefully shave off enough excess plastic from the socket to make it fit, just be careful to not shave down too far as to reveal any conductors inside... :)
Another day, another find.... err. several of them. It amazes me how I can keep going back to THE PILE and find more!
Today, I was working way, err. playing digging through the PILE again, and found several more items of interest.
First and foremost was a complete beige Magicall outfit, including the Magicall unit itself, the programmer dial unit, and the power supply. The index hasn't been written to and the plastics are somewhat dirty but mint.
I also found a couple more call boxes - one NOS in grey, and one in red, That brings the call box total up to 6 or 7. I also found several Roanoak Confidencers.
No camera with me today, but tomorrow I will get photos.
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on August 19, 2014, 02:27:30 PM
2 Plugs Needed for Teletrainer!
I need two plugs for the below-mentioned Teletrainer. They are the same size as the vintage 4 prong plugs, but has 8 conductors and includes one enlarged pin (no conductor) for indexing.
I also am looking for ideas for a power cable. While it looks as though one should be able to use a simple extension cord, the female end of one is just a bit too large to fit the socket in the back of the unit...
Any ideas? I also have placed this request int he wanted section of the board, but feel that if people could also see it in context, it would be easier to understand the need.
Dave
Dave,
What does the plug for the 6-button 554 look like? (Photo attached.) Also, maybe you may find the plug(s) you're looking for while going through the rest of your treasure trove!
Quote from: JohnInWI on August 21, 2014, 05:01:19 PM
Quote from: DavePEI on August 19, 2014, 02:27:30 PM
2 Plugs Needed for Teletrainer!
I need two plugs for the below-mentioned Teletrainer. They are the same size as the vintage 4 prong plugs, but has 8 conductors and includes one enlarged pin (no conductor) for indexing.
I also am looking for ideas for a power cable. While it looks as though one should be able to use a simple extension cord, the female end of one is just a bit too large to fit the socket in the back of the unit...
Any ideas? I also have placed this request int he wanted section of the board, but feel that if people could also see it in context, it would be easier to understand the need.
Dave
Dave,
What does the plug for the 6-button 554 look like? (Photo attached.) Also, maybe you may find the plug(s) you're looking for while going through the rest of your treasure trove!
Ahh, don't I wish. But it is the standard 25 pin D Amp connector on it. As for finding on in the haul, I keep hoping, but so far to no avail!
Dave
The NOS Magicall mentioned the other day....
Dave
And here is one for Terry to answer... Three Meridian ISDN? sets pulled from a box the other day. What do you know about these, Terry?
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on August 24, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
The NOS Magicall mentioned the other day....
I still think those look like a Hoover Junior model 1334... ;D
(Original 1334 on right, generic replacement parts one left)
Just got a call from an ex-Island Tel fellow who has been down a number of times before. Thursday, he is bringing down a fellow from Cape Breton who has a large number of lead cable working tools for the museum...
Dave
Quote from: DavePEI on August 24, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
The NOS Magicall mentioned the other day....
Rented by the GPO in Britain as the Autodial 201 Tape Callmaker:
http://www.britishtelephones.com/auto201.htm
Diagram
http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/n_diagrams/2000/N2311.pdf
Quote from: DavePEI on August 24, 2014, 02:38:27 PM
And here is one for Terry to answer... Three Meridian ISDN? sets pulled from a box the other day. What do you know about these, Terry?
Dave
Aah yes, I had missed this question/post. I actually WASN'T on a cruise ship then in August but WAS furiously trying to get our cabin outside completely repainted while the weather was good and before we were to "sail away" on our next cruise on September 16.
I first said "SL1 2317" when I saw the picture of the phone but then I read your post and realized it is actually a 5317 which means Nortel DMS 200 (DMS 100 with Centrex software) Centrex set.
I have seen those "data boxes" before as well and I know nothing about their capability. DMS CO switches could do ISDN so there must have been a Centrex version combining ISDN into the equation as well. Probably meant data/internet access of 56K x2 for a blazing fast 112K cruise on the information highway! Then they launched ADSL and ISDN pretty much took a long cruise into the sunset off of a short pier.
Terry
Quote from: tallguy58 on August 18, 2014, 04:24:33 PM
What an amazing amount of stuff! Liam sure enjoyed helping Dave with the treasure hunt. We're holding a WE transmitter and headset mounted on a swinging boom. Thing weighs a ton. I seem to recall seeing it in a catalog somewhere. Dave was gracious enough to let us leave with some goodies. Like Liam said: "He's a really nice man".
He sure is. A true phone pioneer for setting up that museum. You all have to go see it.
Thanks a ton, Dave. A highlight of our trip to PEI.
You just got Honrable Mention on the Musem's new FaceBook page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PEITelelephoneMuseum/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/PEITelelephoneMuseum/)
Yes, I know Telephone has an extra "le" in it. Once they select the page address, you can't change it!
Dave