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Come in Nighthawk:
Another noob' question?  If I may?

I suspect just from my own proclivities that the "ideal" antique phone, the "jewel" in a collection, would have nearly if not completely identical parts.  A W.E. D-1/E-1 combo with constituent parts all made in 1934 for example. 

But almost any surviving phone will not come from the W.E. museum, or have been found hiding on a shelf in the W.E./Bell/ATT warehouse, IYGMD?  The phones we now collect "lived" out here, "in the wild..." with us.  Our grandparents, 'rents, and we, dropped them, sneezed and coughed on them, used them (especially the handsets) as hammers, and even threw them at our recalcitrant spouses (well, before domestic violence litigation became so de rigueur).

"How much" of all the disparity in phone components' dates is "no doubt" the result of haggard repairmen replacing defective/malfunctioning/defunct parts; do we know?  I.E., isn't it "most likely" that an original D-1 dated IV/34 had had a defective 557B replaced by one dated IV/37, and then later have a poor F-1 replaced by one dated 5/40?  Later still, however, a noobie collector may have acquired that D-1 and, to improve it for his/her collection, replaced the dial with a 6A dated 9/54.  But isn't it just as possible that ALL that work was done by Bell-system repairmen, during the "life" of the phone?  After all D-1s were still in service, so I read, as late as the early 1960s?

I'd like to know what others think about that scenario.  But I'd also like to ask, does anyone know how much non-W.E. part-swapping happened in "real life?"  Would a Leich handset ever replace an W.E. E-1 or F-1 handset on a W.E. D-1 mount?  How about an Automatic Electric handset?  Or, an A.E. dial?

Just asking!!!  ;D
 

   

HarrySmith:
Of course the phones were used and abused by us and our kinfolk. Then they were repaired , refurbished and reused by the phone company. That is why us OCD types (read collectors) place so much emphasis on dates and think a phone with matching dates is so special. From waht I have seen during my short time in this hobby you will find anything is possible. As soon as someone says it did not exist or was never done it will show up! Take for example the 1948 500 just discovered and restored in another thread here, many belived one would never be found! Since you are new I will offer some advice that was given to me when I started: "don't do it" It is addicting and only gets worse with time! But it also a lot of fun and you will meet some really great people!

Welcome to the Asylum!

Harry

Dan/Panther:
CIN;
It took me awhile to translate your post, but I get the jest of it.
We've discussed several times before about the dates on phones. From what I've gleaned from discussions, collecting matching dates is a recent phenomenon. Like we've talked about, even a phone with all matching numbers, unless you happen to get it in a sealed box, may in all likelihood not be all matching numbers, as WE etc. did much refurbing over the years, as did collectors.
D/P

Come in Nighthawk:

--- Quote from: Dan/Panther on June 05, 2010, 09:20:49 PM ---CIN;
It took me awhile to translate your post, but I get the jest of it.

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...unless you happen to get it fin a sealed box, may in all likelihood not be all matching numbers as WE etc. did much refurbing over the years, as did collectors.
D/P
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Only HALF in jest, honest-injun!!!  ;D 

Well, its what I figured.  Don't get too wrapped around the axle with the matching numbers "thing," and enjoy the little beauties for their own intrinsic worth.  There's a related tread or three here'bouts about watching old films and paying a LOT more attention to the phones if you've been collecting 'em.  I savvy.  I was just watching the five available films of "Michael Shayne" done by Lloyd Nolan ca. 1940-41.  It was hilarious when in one Shayne (Nolan) fakes talking to this dame on the blower when in fact he had already secured the cord from the mount to the subset in his free hand and stepped on the wire, effectively pulling it out of the subset and breaking the connection --- and the keystone kops in the room paying no notice!!!

Umm, howz 'bout the second half of my question.  Would parts from different manufacturers be used to make repairs "back in the old days," like Leich or A.E. parts be used on a W.E. phone, or was that "against company policy?"  Anybody have any skinny on that?

Thanks guys!  :)

paul-f:

--- Quote from: Come in Nighthawk on June 05, 2010, 09:49:10 PM ---[<snip>
Umm, howz 'bout the second half of my question.  Would parts from different manufacturers be used to make repairs "back in the old days," like Leich or A.E. parts be used on a W.E. phone, or was that "against company policy?"  Anybody have any skinny on that?

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I can't think of many cases where the Bell System voluntarily used any set parts made by anyone other than Western Electric, unless they went through a qualification process and were assigned a WE model number or KS number.  With the shortages following WWII, they did permit connection of selected Stromberg, Federal and North sets.  BSPs for them are found in the C32 series (available on-line in the TCI Library or Telephone Document Repository).

However, Graybar and others sold WE phones outside the Bell System.  Once in the hands of independents, anything could happen.  It's certainly possible to find phones with non-WE dials, handsets and ringers that were put there by phone companies or refurbishers and in service for many years.

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